Not saying this says anything, just commenting on how I feel, but never before (in a triple A MMO at least), my desire or capability to re-visit a zone or here planet was so little so fast. After finishing the class quest of my Jedi Knight, which was a grand and very satisfying finale - I felt ZERO inclination to keep my Jedi playing. He even wasn't 50, just 49 1/2. But it was as if Star Wars Episode VI had ended, and now you are back to Lukes small chores. Do you want to follow the small-small fights of Luke after Ep. VI? Well, I certainly don't. And don't start with the Expanded Universe books! For me, the Star Wars saga ends with Ep. VI. Yes I read some post-Ep6-novels, I know whats happening, but I don't care. I want Luke, Leia, Han and Chewie to "live happily ever after", I want to think the Republic and the Jedi won. Good triumphed over evil, end of story. I don't want to know of new Sith, new Empires. Luke is a savior-hero, and in the end, evil is defeated. Game over.

And what should I do? Grind a set of armour and a super mount for what? I stand in the space station with my super armor and super speeder to brag? I don't have any use for that now. I played a wonderful story, I learned all abilities there are to learn, and thats it. At least until max level is raised and a new story arc is added, someday.

Now I would really love to see the class stories of other chars, Smuggler, Consular, Agent. But do I want to revisit the same planets again? Do I want to see the same quests, at least on Republic side again? The answer is, no. Not at all. And that's something new for me in a game I generally enjoyed. When I take those games I played the longest time, SWG, EQ2, WOW, CO, CoH and LOTRO, I never had that feeling, at least not so fast and not so strong. I never minded visiting Breeland or the Shire a 2nd time. I never minded visiting Thundering Steppes or Westfall again. And even in Champions online it took me at least 3 complete runs to really make me feel like "ok ENOUGH".

But here it's different. Even though I liked the world stories and I found the planets overall good and interesting, despite critique in some detail. But I don't want to make Taris, Coruscant, Belsavis or Voss again. One of my issues is, I have a VERY good memory in games, because I am a visual person. If you reinstall me any game I played in the last 25 years and I play it a bit, I will recall everything. Not now, but the moment I see it, it all comes back, down to dialogues and everything. When I tried to replay Dragon Age I after 2 years now, I recalled every dialogue, every detail. I stopped in mid play, even with all the different decisions I tried to make. Because of this, I rarely ever could replay games, and SWTOR having a lot of a single player story game feels a lot like "game over" now. I am not even 100% sure I can point out why the planets are so undesirable to play a second time. It's not that I disliked them the first time! Even much hated Taris I really enjoyed the first time, but I *absolutely* don't want to play it all a 2nd time. Maybe the story heavy emphasis leaves a bit too little room for my own imagination. When I play Westfall or Redridge Mountains in WOW, yes there are stories too, now even more. But it was always more in my mind who *I* was, and what *MY* story was here. Whether I came there with a Dwarf, Nightelf or Human, it was more in my imagination. Here, nothing is left to imagination. All is said and written and clear. All is defined. Maybe that's what makes it so hard for me to play those planets a 2nd time.

Ofcorse...

I guess everyone gets to start a thread over TOR huh?

It's the flavor of the month. It will be old news by March.

So... why did you resub?

Originally posted by Elikal

Not saying this says anything, just commenting on how I feel, but never before (in a triple A MMO at least), my desire or capability to re-visit a zone or here planet was so little so fast. After finishing the class quest of my Jedi Knight, which was a grand and very satisfying finale - I felt ZERO inclination to keep my Jedi playing. He even wasn't 50, just 49 1/2. But it was as if Star Wars Episode VI had ended, and now you are back to Lukes small chores. Do you want to follow the small-small fights of Luke after Ep. VI? Well, I certainly don't. And don't start with the Expanded Universe books! For me, the Star Wars saga ends with Ep. VI. Yes I read some post-Ep6-novels, I know whats happening, but I don't care. I want Luke, Leia, Han and Chewie to "live happily ever after", I want to think the Republic and the Jedi won. Good triumphed over evil, end of story. I don't want to know of new Sith, new Empires. Luke is a savior-hero, and in the end, evil is defeated. Game over.

And what should I do? Grind a set of armour and a super mount for what? I stand in the space station with my super armor and super speeder to brag? I don't have any use for that now. I played a wonderful story, I learned all abilities there are to learn, and thats it. At least until max level is raised and a new story arc is added, someday.

 

Now I would really love to see the class stories of other chars, Smuggler, Consular, Agent. But do I want to revisit the same planets again? Do I want to see the same quests, at least on Republic side again? The answer is, no. Not at all. And that's something new for me in a game I generally enjoyed. When I take those games I played the longest time, SWG, EQ2, WOW, CO, CoH and LOTRO, I never had that feeling, at least not so fast and not so strong. I never minded visiting Breeland or the Shire a 2nd time. I never minded visiting Thundering Steppes or Westfall again. And even in Champions online it took me at least 3 complete runs to really make me feel like "ok ENOUGH".

But here it's different. Even though I liked the world stories and I found the planets overall good and interesting, despite critique in some detail. But I don't want to make Taris, Coruscant, Belsavis or Voss again. One of my issues is, I have a VERY good memory in games, because I am a visual person. If you reinstall me any game I played in the last 25 years and I play it a bit, I will recall everything. Not now, but the moment I see it, it all comes back, down to dialogues and everything. When I tried to replay Dragon Age I after 2 years now, I recalled every dialogue, every detail. I stopped in mid play, even with all the different decisions I tried to make. Because of this, I rarely ever could replay games, and SWTOR having a lot of a single player story game feels a lot like "game over" now. I am not even 100% sure I can point out why the planets are so undesirable to play a second time. It's not that I disliked them the first time! Even much hated Taris I really enjoyed the first time, but I *absolutely* don't want to play it all a 2nd time. Maybe the story heavy emphasis leaves a bit too little room for my own imagination. When I play Westfall or Redridge Mountains in WOW, yes there are stories too, now even more. But it was always more in my mind who *I* was, and what *MY* story was here. Whether I came there with a Dwarf, Nightelf or Human, it was more in my imagination. Here, nothing is left to imagination. All is said and written and clear. All is defined. Maybe that's what makes it so hard for me to play those planets a 2nd time.

You sound like you need a sandbox game. The rinse repeat cycle of thempark MMO's are fine for the masses, but some people just won't sit idly by and  be spoon fed crap and told to  believe it's a sunday.

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You sound like you need a sandbox game. The rinse repeat cycle of thempark MMO's are fine for the masses, but some people just won't sit idly by and  be spoon fed crap and told to  believe it's a sunday.

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Originally posted by Kinchyle

I guess everyone gets to start a thread over TOR huh?

I guess that's what you may stumble upon when clicking on the SWTOR General Discussion forums huh?

Have you tried...

StarQuest Online 

Darkwind War On Wheels

Haven and Hearth

S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Online

Neverdaunt 8bit

These are the best Sandbox MMO's I can come up with. These are the few titles that I jump bewteen. Most have bugs, horrible graphics, Horrendous UI, or a combination of the three, I still would play them anyday over the braindead Thempark MMO's.

Yes I know these are not AAA MMO's but until the masses consist of intellectuals I fear we are stuck playing sandbox games built in a garage somewhere.

Originally posted by VoIgore

Originally posted by Kinchyle

I guess everyone gets to start a thread over TOR huh?

I guess that's what you may stumble upon when clicking on the SWTOR General Discussion forums huh?

Actually...no

See that little box on the main page what updates the current forum posts? That...

Originally posted by Kinchyle

Originally posted by VoIgore

Originally posted by Kinchyle

I guess everyone gets to start a thread over TOR huh?

I guess that's what you may stumble upon when clicking on the SWTOR General Discussion forums huh?

Actually...no

See that little box on the main page what updates the current forum posts? That...

Once in awhile you see a post that's not about SWTOR so there is still hope.

Yeah, that prospect didn't appeal to me either.

Unsubbed at 50 after finding out that endgame was mainly a gear grind of almost entirely instanced content all conveniently accesible through a badly optimized shopping mall and the worlds not playing much of a role at all.

A horendously vibe killing experience after an otherwise great first month.

The story simply isn't that great or immersive to me to warrant another playthrough. There has to be a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Not a bucket full of crap. V_V

Originally posted by TruthXHurts

Originally posted by Kinchyle

Originally posted by VoIgore

Originally posted by Kinchyle

I guess everyone gets to start a thread over TOR huh?

I guess that's what you may stumble upon when clicking on the SWTOR General Discussion forums huh?

Actually...no

See that little box on the main page what updates the current forum posts? That...

Once in awhile you see a post that's not about SWTOR so there is still hope.

:D

Originally posted by DarkPony

Yeah, that prospect didn't appeal to me either.

Unsubbed at 50 after finding out that endgame was mainly a gear grind of almost entirely instanced content all conveniently accesible through a badly optimized shopping mall and the worlds not playing much of a role at all.

A horendously vibe killing experience after an otherwise great first month.

The story simply isn't that great or immersive to me to warrant another playthrough. There has to be a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Not a bucket full of crap. V_V

 

this is a huge issue.. I would have prefered them to spend more time with the class quests and forget the reused boring dialog for the side quests and just kept them text based. That way the class quest dialog could of been even better and they could of put more time into those stories. So many of the side quests use the same exact reused dialog as others its pointless. I have many many alts but struggle to get past the second planet on any of them once I been there before. Now I'm just leveling up my sorc since sorc is by far the only really fun class I have played gameplay wise( I loved affliction locks) then after that I may finish a republic char to 50 but dunno well see.

Originally posted by TruthXHurts

Originally posted by Elikal

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You sound like you need a sandbox game. The rinse repeat cycle of thempark MMO's are fine for the masses, but some people just won't sit idly by and  be spoon fed crap and told to  believe it's a sunday.

But but it is a sunday, it doesn't matter that they are charging us for what really is an open beta we want to be charged because it's SW mang! (looks all cross eyed)

Anyway loved your reply, especially the part about rinse repeat LOL How very head n shoulders of you.

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Originally posted by TruthXHurts

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Originally posted by Kinchyle

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Originally posted by VoIgore

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Originally posted by Kinchyle

I guess everyone gets to start a thread over TOR huh?

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I guess that's what you may stumble upon when clicking on the SWTOR General Discussion forums huh?

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Actually...no
See that little box on the main page what updates the current forum posts? That...

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Once in awhile you see a post that's not about SWTOR so there is still hope.

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Don't worry, this too shall pass.. Same with every launch of mmos, the 'recent post' box gets flooded by constant nonsense about that game, then it generally goes back to philosophical discussions on the nature of WoW

I see no difference to this than any other themepark mmo. 

I have 9 characters atm, been through the imperial starter -- 35 a fair few times. Different strokes for different folks. Maybe it's easier to play alts if you roll them soon rather than 1-max then start all again? 

Originally posted by nikoliath

I see no difference to this than any other themepark mmo. 

 

I have 9 characters atm, been through the imperial starter -- 35 a fair few times. Different strokes for different folks. Maybe it's easier to play alts if you roll them soon rather than 1-max then start all again? 

For me playing WoW it's actually the same I make alts early so i don't think that's it, when you are near to the end and you can't quite seem to bring yourself to do those last few levels, that's when you know it's over.

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Originally posted by itgrowls

For me playing WoW it's actually the same I make alts early so i don't think that's it, when you are near to the end and you can't quite seem to bring yourself to do those last few levels, that's when you know it's over.

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Indeed.. if playing is a chore, if it's work.. then you should look into changing games!

Originally posted by TruthXHurts

Originally posted by Elikal

 

You sound like you need a sandbox game. The rinse repeat cycle of thempark MMO's are fine for the masses, but some people just won't sit idly by and  be spoon fed crap and told to  believe it's a sunday.

No, the themepark nature of SW:TOR isn't the main problem here: it is the combination of a themepark MMORPG with the linear, but strong story of a Biowaresque RPG. The combination doesn't suit her playstyle.