If I am playing a chracter who can craft and I am grouped with guildies I will inspect them during downtime to see if I can make upgrades to their equipment.

Nope.

Homitu examines you.

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Originally posted by Thrage
I check gear in a few situations:
 
One, if they are wearing something that looks awesome, I want to know what it's called.
 
Two, if they are performing below expectations in a group.  A lot of the time you can see stupidity reflected in gear choices, or you can excuse a person for low performance due to lack of decent gear (provided what they ARE wearing suits their class/playstyle).  Also if I see a person with amazing gear who is still underperforming, I know for sure that the problem is between the chair and the keyboard, and to either throw them some tips or avoid grouping with them in the future.
 
I might also check gear if I get absolutely trounced by somebody in PVP, but usually the first thing I look at in that situation is something like an arena rating.

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I really, really, Don't like that mentality..
What ever happened to fun?

Performance analysis? how can you relax and immerse when your being analysed by your team mates?

maybe its the best a player can do...Don't think its anyone's place to judge.

Originally posted by Mellkor

 

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Originally posted by Thrage
I check gear in a few situations:
 
One, if they are wearing something that looks awesome, I want to know what it's called.
 
Two, if they are performing below expectations in a group.  A lot of the time you can see stupidity reflected in gear choices, or you can excuse a person for low performance due to lack of decent gear (provided what they ARE wearing suits their class/playstyle).  Also if I see a person with amazing gear who is still underperforming, I know for sure that the problem is between the chair and the keyboard, and to either throw them some tips or avoid grouping with them in the future.
 
I might also check gear if I get absolutely trounced by somebody in PVP, but usually the first thing I look at in that situation is something like an arena rating.

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I really, really, Don't like that mentality..
What ever happened to fun?

Performance analysis? how can you relax and immerse when your being analysed by your team mates?

maybe its the best a player can do...Don't think its anyone's place to judge.

Couldn't agree more with Mellcor!

And I do Check other peopl's equipment if I like how it looks or when someone my that is my class and higher level than me, and if I see gear on them I don't know where it is from, I strike a conversation and get some info if possable!

Originally posted by orgash

i do if someone is wearing something that i think looks cool but i always ask before inspecting...that confuses a lot of people sad to say

Back in EQ1 it usedto be considered rude to inspect someones gear without asking.  Now most games do not even tell you if your being inspected removing the knowledge of the intrusion.  Although you can guess thats what people are doing when they walk up to you.  I miss games with communtities and wish gear inspection could be turned off.

Although gear inspection does have purposes.  Checking out possible guild applicants gear or simply people you are grouping with to see how well they are playing for their gear. 

But I do miss the old days of EQ1.  I recall playing WoW at release and getting inspected all the time by people I did not know.  It felt so rude back then coming from EQ1.

Yeah like other people said, I check gear if it looks cool to see what the cool looking items are called.

Originally posted by Zippy

"Back in EQ1 it usedto be considered rude to inspect someones gear without asking.  Now most games do not even tell you if your being inspected removing the knowledge of the intrusion." 

Very True, I remember those days, and even during EQ1 days I still did inspect people if I saw something I liked, BUT did that after asking for permission to inspect from the person.

Not really. But I love running away when people are inspecting me so their inspection window closes and they have to chase me around! Hilarious!

Originally posted by NaughtyP

Not really. But I love running away when people are inspecting me so their inspection window closes and they have to chase me around! Hilarious!

AAAAH!.....so that was you I chased around town one day huh!

Originally posted by Mellkor

I really, really, Don't like that mentality..
What ever happened to fun?

Performance analysis? how can you relax and immerse when your being analysed by your team mates?

maybe its the best a player can do...Don't think its anyone's place to judge.

Wiping repeatedly to what should be easy content isn't my idea of fun.  If it's happening, and I've beaten this particular boss a zillion times, I'm going to investigate the issue. 

If party members are underperforming and we're still doing fine, it usually doesn't go any further than that.  I'm totally OK with carrying a subpar player provided it doesn't prevent me from finishing the dungeon or whatever.  I'm not OK with carrying bots, but that's another matter.

If we're wiping, on the other hand, I'm going to do something about it, be it offer advice or remove them, depending on the circumstances.

Either way, bad players get inspected.

Originally posted by Thrage

Originally posted by Mellkor

I really, really, Don't like that mentality..
What ever happened to fun?

Performance analysis? how can you relax and immerse when your being analysed by your team mates?

maybe its the best a player can do...Don't think its anyone's place to judge.

Wiping repeatedly to what should be easy content isn't my idea of fun.  If it's happening, and I've beaten this particular boss a zillion times, I'm going to investigate the issue. 

If party members are underperforming and we're still doing fine, it usually doesn't go any further than that.  I'm totally OK with carrying a subpar player provided it doesn't prevent me from finishing the dungeon or whatever.  I'm not OK with carrying bots, but that's another matter.

If we're wiping, on the other hand, I'm going to do something about it, be it offer advice or remove them, depending on the circumstances.

 

Either way, bad players get inspected.

True if you are getting wiped over and over it is important to find the reason. I agree with you on that!

I must admit it did happen to me one time and I was happy that someone did offer advice or help! Thouh there is one time a group I was in a group and the whole time 2 people were arguing back and forth disagreeing with eachother and blaming eachother cause each one thinks he is right and the other is causing the wipe. Now that was an annoying run for me and I could not wait till it was over so I can leave the group.

never actually given a toss about my own gear,nevermind anyone else's..i dont play online games for gear...i play em for fun.i guess thats why i got 12 mmo's in my system,if i went for gear that would go down to 2 max.

I have to admit, I do check other players regularly. I call it R & D.  It is often a good way to see gear that you haven't attained or are completely unaware of. Also, if players are underperforming or over performing, I like to know why.

Often, I will see items such as Talismans/Rep items etc that I haven't seen before and it will lead me on a path of discovery to see how I can get those items.

How gear is equipped and how it is used can often tell me a lot about the player and their preferred playing style.

Cheers

I inspect people from time to time. Not to judge them or anything but it helps me learning about new items/enchants I didn't know of before.

Of course, specially if the gear is HOT.... Learn the name of the gear, then wiki how to get it. Also look at enchants and get an idea of builds.

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Wiping repeatedly to what should be easy content isn't my idea of fun.  If it's happening, and I've beaten this particular boss a zillion times,

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If party members are underperforming and we're still doing fine, it usually doesn't go any further than that.  I'm totally OK with carrying a subpar player provided it doesn't prevent me from finishing the dungeon or whatever.  I'm not OK with carrying bots, but that's another matter.

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If we're wiping, on the other hand, I'm going to do something about it, be it offer advice or remove them, depending on the circumstances.
 
Either way, bad players get inspected.

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Bad players or "baddies" I hear the wow people call it now.. there's no such thing as a bad player just Inexperienced or undergeared relevant to different people.

I'm sorry if this is a dated way of thinking in today's standards but what happened to the values of "Fun" "Community" and "Helping"?

There are definitely bad players...

There are definitely bad, bad, just absolutely terrible players. In every mmorpg I've played, I've encountered plenty of just terrible players. They are there. They exist. They can and sometimes will make your group gimp as fuck. I very rarely ever say anything, but I do notice when someone sucks as a player.

Originally posted by Mellkor

 

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Wiping repeatedly to what should be easy content isn't my idea of fun.  If it's happening, and I've beaten this particular boss a zillion times,

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me me me.
Why does this just shout "I just want My loot" - I will use you guys to get it.
This easy content you refer too could be 'quite fucking hard' for some new people?
empathy, use it.

 

 

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If party members are underperforming and we're still doing fine, it usually doesn't go any further than that.  I'm totally OK with carrying a subpar player provided it doesn't prevent me from finishing the dungeon or whatever.  I'm not OK with carrying bots, but that's another matter.

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Its ok until shit goes downhill then you have blame someone right?

 

 

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If we're wiping, on the other hand, I'm going to do something about it, be it offer advice or remove them, depending on the circumstances.
 
Either way, bad players get inspected.

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Bad players or "baddies" I hear the wow people call it now.. there's no such thing as a bad player just Inexperienced or undergeared relevant to different people.

I'm sorry if this is a dated way of thinking in today's standards but what happened to the values of "Fun" "Community" and "Helping"?

 

 

 

So, here's the thing.  An intelligent person's method of problem-solving, especially when it comes to something they already know quite a lot about already, typically begins with identifying variables.  Your party members are variables.  Their gear, their class, and their talents are also variables.  When a problem arises, you investigate, you find the unfavorable variable, and you correct it.  Whether this means booting someone from the group, or suggesting to them that maybe using melee weapons exclusively isn't the best play style for a hunter, you're solving the problem based on what you see happening.  So, yes, when things are going bad and they very well should not be, I find the source of the issue.  No need to try to villainize me for that.

And yes, some players are bad.  Some players are terrible.  Some of my best friends are awful, awful gamers, who simply cannot be taught, and don't really care to be.  And that's fine!  They aren't lesser human beings for it, and we're still friends.  Some of my other friends have surprised me after doing a little research, cleaning up their playstyle and changing up their talents or gear a bit for the better.

I mean, are you suggesting that when you are in a group, and you can't finish the dungeon you're doing, you continue slamming your head against the same brick wall for hours until the servers shut down?  I get the feeling you didn't even read my post - I'm completely fine with helping a player out with tips and advice when they need it, and you're telling me not to ruin their "fun."  Regardless, some people cannot be helped, and are dead-set in their ways.  At that point, their "fun" is ruining my fun, and they get the boot.

I've only ever kicked maybe five people out of a group in my entire time playing MMORPGs.  It is an absolute last resort, and I'll try my damnedest to help pull the group together and make it a positive experience in which people learned something every single time.  But if I want to know why Jackowacko is doing 500 DPS when the standard for his class is 10,000, a quick gear check will probably tell me quite a bit about exactly how to approach solving the issue.

Yeh, I usually do look at guildies/friends gear to see what combinations work for them or even a good opponent I face and try to see what they have going. Hell I inspect random people, even noobs for the sake of doing it. Call it curiosity if you will but it always interests me.