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General Discussion  » SWTOR Still Ignoring Exploitative Valor Farming.

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1/28/12 12:34:22 PM#21

This game has exploit holes so big you can fly a 747 through them.


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1/28/12 12:41:57 PM#22

How does this stop you from having fun?  Are you  mad because you have to "work" harder than someone else for the same thing?  If you think its work then you shouldnt be playing the game in the first place.  I have fun earning the things I use in a game if others want to cheat to aquire the same things its their lose in my opinion.


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1/28/12 12:43:03 PM#23

This old exploit? lol


This is an effect of people wanting open world PvP with a simple point system to gain gear. They have two options as I see it.


1.) Ban everybody who does it (lol good luck)

2.) Remove points gained from kills being used to buy gear.


Pretty simple lesson from WoW's honor system....


Simple point gain systems will always be exploitable like this, dunno why people keep asking for it...


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1/28/12 12:49:54 PM#24

This is one of the reasons I tend to avoid pvp in mmos. Seems like the cheaters always find a way to exploit it, especially when it is a gear based. 3 immediate actions Bioware needs to take at this point: 1-post a stern warning that continued exploits will result in permabans, 2-start handing out the permabans, 3-if it doesn't stop shut it down till they can figure out a better system.

The exploiters must have sad lives really if they are going to pay $15 a month to sit there and exploit a broken pvp system so they can rush to max stats and say 'oh look at me I'm l33t! I pwn all u noobs!'. What is even sadder is the longer BW sits on their behinds allowing this, the more casual players will turn off and unsub realizing the game is broken unless you want to cheat your way to the top. Complete fail that should be at the top of their priority list. If it isn't BW won't be in the mmorpg business very long.




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1/28/12 1:06:21 PM#25

Doesn't this happen in every game with PvP in it? Not to defend BioWare because they really should know better, but I remember similar controversies from much smaller games - in Fallen Earth early on there was a rash of faction kill trades in clans, and they took forever to implement fixes for it.

I think the one thing most devs forget is that if people can find a loophole to exploit, then they will exploit it. It's kind of contrary to designing a game for people to play, you also have to design a game that's watertight against the people who couldn't be bothered playing, who want all the rewards for as little effort as possible. The OP has the right idea, chase these guys down, force them to play the game as intended.

None of us knows what BioWare are doing in the background with their fancy-ass metrics, whether the banhammer will fall on the exploiters sooner rather than later (we can but hope), but the community on every server can help make it clear to this kind of lazy player that their behavior will not be tolerated. I've never been a leet PvP-er, but if someone from the opposite faction shows up near me, I will fight. At times, I've chased people down because the fact that someone a couple of levels higher than me will run away from me baffles me. Especially on a PvP server (I dunno, it's RP-PvP... you'd imagine faction pride would be stronger with the RP side bundled in). I don't mind having my butt handed to me repeatedly either, it's the only way to learn.

Kill-trading makes no sense to me, but then I play play, I can understand people being really ticked off about it.


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1/28/12 1:16:43 PM#26

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

THIS is why TOR should have never had PvP, at least at launch, if not ever.

TOR is not meant for the PvP type. It was designed for KotOR fans (read:single player) and for BW fans (read:single player). Why they got away from this I don't understand. Not all MMO's need PvP. It just creates more hassle.


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1/28/12 1:44:16 PM#27
Originally posted by Hopscotch73

Kill-trading makes no sense to me, but then I play play, I can understand people being really ticked off about it.

Looks absolutely boring... After the first couple of trades I'd be like 'wth? I'm paying for this?'.... log... then unsub... then play Puzzle Pirates or something.. lot more variety and fun.. lol




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1/28/12 1:48:45 PM#28
Originally posted by headphones
Originally posted by Jojin


I can have patience when something was bugged which caused a massive gain in valor, which was never addressed or removed.

However, when they continue to ignore 40-60 people taking off gear, coordinating kill swapping in caves,  {mod edit} teleport right back where they died, allowing for the other side to kill and repeating it all day until they achieve their goals it just goes to far.

What's worse is when people try to bring up the issue on the forums I hear they have been quickly deleted.

Just makes me really sad to see the game go down so fast when stuff like below is seen.

{mod edit - please don't link to specific exploits or detail how to do them}


which is why pvp needs to be less about gear grind and more about the skill. kill-trading's only in existence if people think they're getting something for it. amazes me how many people i've come across over the years who seem to want things so easy.

"walk me through this dungeon you're 20 levels too high to do and i'm 10 levels too low so i can get phat lootz and heaps big xp."

"let me kill you a bunch of times to get my phat pvp gearz and be, like, not a noob now."

it's one reason i maintain that gear never translates into skill and one reason i'd love a game to do away with both gear as a reward for raiding and gear as a reward for pvp.

to me, it's the same as having a running race. and, if you win a few races you can drive a car instead. soon, a few guys are driving past the runners, winning more races and congratulating each other for being pro.

this valor thing?

makes the pvp even more of a joke and swtor really doesn't need any more laughs.

actualy, I'd prefer that. Also leaching.

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1/28/12 2:05:39 PM#29

Bioware already confirmed that kill swapping is perfectly legal



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OP  1/28/12 2:42:55 PM#30
Originally posted by snapfusion

How does this stop you from having fun?  Are you  mad because you have to "work" harder than someone else for the same thing?  If you think its work then you shouldnt be playing the game in the first place.  I have fun earning the things I use in a game if others want to cheat to aquire the same things its their lose in my opinion.


If SWTOR were only a PvE game it wouldn't be an issue.  However, I enjoy competative sport play which comes from going up against players in PvP world combat and Warzones.  When I find myself totally outgeared by other individuals who have managed to obtain such gear quickly through exploits, it does effect my fun.


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1/28/12 5:36:58 PM#31
Originally posted by bartoni33

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

THIS is why TOR should have never had PvP, at least at launch, if not ever.

TOR is not meant for the PvP type. It was designed for KotOR fans (read:single player) and for BW fans (read:single player). Why they got away from this I don't understand. Not all MMO's need PvP. It just creates more hassle.

Why? Better tack on some broken garbage pvp, hype it like the next comming and sell more copies :)

"Esport with tournaments is for hardcore pvp'rs that want to be competitive. Openworld PVP with ganking and griefing is for casuals that just wants their pvp mixed with pve from time to time."

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