I can have patience when something was bugged which caused a massive gain in valor, which was never addressed or removed.

However, when they continue to ignore 40-60 people taking off gear, coordinating kill swapping in caves,  {mod edit} teleport right back where they died, allowing for the other side to kill and repeating it all day until they achieve their goals it just goes to far.

What's worse is when people try to bring up the issue on the forums I hear they have been quickly deleted.

Just makes me really sad to see the game go down so fast when stuff like below is seen.

{mod edit - please don't link to specific exploits or detail how to do them}

Originally posted by Jojin

 

I can have patience when something was bugged which caused a massive gain in valor, which was never addressed or removed.

However, when they continue to ignore 40-60 people taking off gear, coordinating kill swapping in caves,  {mod edit} teleport right back where they died, allowing for the other side to kill and repeating it all day until they achieve their goals it just goes to far.

What's worse is when people try to bring up the issue on the forums I hear they have been quickly deleted.

Just makes me really sad to see the game go down so fast when stuff like below is seen.

{mod edit - please don't link to specific exploits or detail how to do them}

 

which is why pvp needs to be less about gear grind and more about the skill. kill-trading's only in existence if people think they're getting something for it. amazes me how many people i've come across over the years who seem to want things so easy.

"walk me through this dungeon you're 20 levels too high to do and i'm 10 levels too low so i can get phat lootz and heaps big xp."

"let me kill you a bunch of times to get my phat pvp gearz and be, like, not a noob now."

it's one reason i maintain that gear never translates into skill and one reason i'd love a game to do away with both gear as a reward for raiding and gear as a reward for pvp.

to me, it's the same as having a running race. and, if you win a few races you can drive a car instead. soon, a few guys are driving past the runners, winning more races and congratulating each other for being pro.

this valor thing?

makes the pvp even more of a joke and swtor really doesn't need any more laughs.

Must explain the unplanned 3am Weekend maintenance.. I think at this point people caught exploiting issues that they know are unintended should be banned. 

Screw all the cry babies saying "They are just playing the game they way the developers allow then to" An Expploiter is just as bad as a hacker and tho anyone suspected of hacking is usually perma-banned all the idiots who exploit get a slap on the wrist or nothing as punishment. Start temp banning people who find and knowingly exploit game mechanics and people might cut the exploiting bullshit out.

When they have to shut down servers for bulllshit pvp exploits on weekends that should be grounds for handing out temp bans. People are using game breaking features to get undeserving valor/gear so they should be held accountable.

People are using {mod edit}  instantly respawn where they died so others can farm them.. If they are still getting a shit load of Valor like before and using this bug to kill trade then yes they are still exploiting valor.

I'd say perma-bans are appropriate.

What server are you on, Dub?  I've been taking my time levelling and putting off end game knowing there were issues.  I'm excited to hear that Ilum is possibly working as intended finally.  Can't wait to get there if it's so.

Originally posted by itbewilly

Must explain the unplanned 3am Weekend maintenance.. I think at this point people caught exploiting issues that they know are unintended should be banned. 

 

Screw all the cry babies saying "They are just playing the game they way the developers allow then to" An Expploiter is just as bad as a hacker and tho anyone suspected of hacking is usually perma-banned all the idiots who exploit get a slap on the wrist or nothing as punishment. Start temp banning people who find and knowingly exploit game mechanics and people might cut the exploiting bullshit out.

When they have to shut down servers for bulllshit pvp exploits on weekends that should be grounds for handing out temp bans. People are using game breaking features to get undeserving valor/gear so they should be held accountable.

and how's that weekly maintenance rubbish? 6 hour shutdowns more often than i change socks.

Originally posted by headphones

Originally posted by itbewilly

Must explain the unplanned 3am Weekend maintenance.. I think at this point people caught exploiting issues that they know are unintended should be banned. 

 

Screw all the cry babies saying "They are just playing the game they way the developers allow then to" An Expploiter is just as bad as a hacker and tho anyone suspected of hacking is usually perma-banned all the idiots who exploit get a slap on the wrist or nothing as punishment. Start temp banning people who find and knowingly exploit game mechanics and people might cut the exploiting bullshit out.

When they have to shut down servers for bulllshit pvp exploits on weekends that should be grounds for handing out temp bans. People are using game breaking features to get undeserving valor/gear so they should be held accountable.

and how's that weekly maintenance rubbish? 6 hour shutdowns more often than i change socks.

WoW has had Weekly maintenance since it launched... Every game has weekly maintenance. Whats the point of your post?

No disrespect but every mmo ive have played has had weekly  maintenance if not during the first few months of its release every week since its release in most cases. Having a Tuesday Maintenance over night when the majority of the people are in bed or working(aside from maybe second shifters who might not be happy about losing gaming hours) is far more acceptable then having to have weekend maintenance for bs reasons that dont effect most of the people playing.

It's systemic of a far bigger problem, pvp is garbage in SWTOR, it's just a horror show. Most people only pvp for the quests and the gear, if they had a choice, i'll bet illum and the warzones would be empty as none of it is enjoyable in the least.

Originally posted by itbewilly

Originally posted by headphones

Originally posted by itbewilly

Must explain the unplanned 3am Weekend maintenance.. I think at this point people caught exploiting issues that they know are unintended should be banned. 

 

Screw all the cry babies saying "They are just playing the game they way the developers allow then to" An Expploiter is just as bad as a hacker and tho anyone suspected of hacking is usually perma-banned all the idiots who exploit get a slap on the wrist or nothing as punishment. Start temp banning people who find and knowingly exploit game mechanics and people might cut the exploiting bullshit out.

When they have to shut down servers for bulllshit pvp exploits on weekends that should be grounds for handing out temp bans. People are using game breaking features to get undeserving valor/gear so they should be held accountable.

and how's that weekly maintenance rubbish? 6 hour shutdowns more often than i change socks.

WoW has had Weekly maintenance since it launched... Every game has weekly maintenance. Whats the point of your post?

No disrespect but every mmo ive have played has had weekly  maintenance if not during the first few months of its release every week since its release in most cases. Having a Tuesday Maintenance over night when the majority of the people are in bed or working(aside from maybe second shifters who might not be happy about losing gaming hours) is far more acceptable then having to have weekend maintenance for bs reasons that dont effect most of the people playing.

really? a weekly maintenance? that's so novel. you know, in all these years i've been mucking about in mmos, i've never noticed those weekly maintenance things. oh, hang on. yeah, i do! those are the shutdowns that happen on a tuesday, right? pretty much universally (though eve online has a novel solution which seems to require pretty much 10 minutes). perhaps i called it rubbish because they call every shutdown a "weekly" one. none of them lasting less than 4 hours. perhaps the comment was in relation to the regularity, hence the "more often than i change my socks" comment? this is, after all, the third this week.

in which case, i suggest you pull your head out of your wall socket and tell me what the point of YOUR post was.

Ya, half our server seems involved in valor trading now.....(server Fatman and the rebel guilds who started this are and ) I found these youtubes after tonight and I havent looked to see if they are the ones from our server or not (doesn't matter)

{mod edit - don't post exploits or how to videos}

Last night we started organizing raids to hunt them down on Ilum and kill the farmers that are hiding in caves now and making them run and switch intances.

Looks like the "new end game PvP" for us will be hunting them down nightly and ending their lazy farming. And FYI after we hunted them down and shut them down it was rumored they switched to Ilum2 so we did and ended up having open warefare with completely different groups of players competively....a couple hours later just before the servers were going down for maintanance the valor traders wear found again and they started pleading with a guild member for us to keep quiet and join them.

Originally posted by headphones

Originally posted by itbewilly

Originally posted by headphones

Originally posted by itbewilly

Must explain the unplanned 3am Weekend maintenance.. I think at this point people caught exploiting issues that they know are unintended should be banned. 

 

Screw all the cry babies saying "They are just playing the game they way the developers allow then to" An Expploiter is just as bad as a hacker and tho anyone suspected of hacking is usually perma-banned all the idiots who exploit get a slap on the wrist or nothing as punishment. Start temp banning people who find and knowingly exploit game mechanics and people might cut the exploiting bullshit out.

When they have to shut down servers for bulllshit pvp exploits on weekends that should be grounds for handing out temp bans. People are using game breaking features to get undeserving valor/gear so they should be held accountable.

and how's that weekly maintenance rubbish? 6 hour shutdowns more often than i change socks.

WoW has had Weekly maintenance since it launched... Every game has weekly maintenance. Whats the point of your post?

No disrespect but every mmo ive have played has had weekly  maintenance if not during the first few months of its release every week since its release in most cases. Having a Tuesday Maintenance over night when the majority of the people are in bed or working(aside from maybe second shifters who might not be happy about losing gaming hours) is far more acceptable then having to have weekend maintenance for bs reasons that dont effect most of the people playing.

really? a weekly maintenance? that's so novel. you know, in all these years i've been mucking about in mmos, i've never noticed those weekly maintenance things. oh, hang on. yeah, i do! those are the shutdowns that happen on a tuesday, right? pretty much universally (though eve online has a novel solution which seems to require pretty much 10 minutes). perhaps i called it rubbish because they call every shutdown a "weekly" one. none of them lasting less than 4 hours. perhaps the comment was in relation to the regularity, hence the "more often than i change my socks" comment? this is, after all, the third this week.

in which case, i suggest you pull your head out of your wall socket and tell me what the point of YOUR post was.

Im not going to argue with you because i dont understand wtf you are talking about. You replied to a post i made about an unplanned shut down with something about "Weekly Maintenance". When i replied  asking why you answer at first with denying knowledge of any weekly maintenance then say "Oh you mean that Tuesday maintenance?" So again. I dont understand why Weekly shut downs were even brought up. All of this stuff about a weekly maintenance had absolutely nothing to do with this thread or my reply which was why i asked "What the point of your post was?"

Originally posted by itbewilly

WoW has had Weekly maintenance since it launched... Every game has weekly maintenance. Whats the point of your post?

No disrespect but every mmo ive have played has had weekly  maintenance if not during the first few months of its release every week since its release in most cases. Having a Tuesday Maintenance over night when the majority of the people are in bed or working(aside from maybe second shifters who might not be happy about losing gaming hours) is far more acceptable then having to have weekend maintenance for bs reasons that dont effect most of the people playing.

 Well, it certainly isn't the case that every game has weekly maintenance. There are games that don't even go offline during maintenance. The game simply resets. When patching it kicks everybody off, relog, download and apply patch and play. 4 or 6 hour downtimes are certainly not standard procedure across the board.

The idea that pvp in TOR is somehow an 'endgame' activity is laughable as it currently stands.  Bioware has no idea what they are doing with pvp in this game in several fairly obvious, and also fairly catastrophic ways.  Unfortunately the cat is out of the bag if you will.  The real option they have is to take Ilum out of the game and rework the idea and the function of the planet entirely.  Instead they keep trying to tweak a broken system, hoping to god they get it right before the pvp game is totally ruined by these types of exploits.  To do this though requires them to admit that they failed, which they won't do.  Pvp as it stands in TOR is laughable at best, and is only getting worse.

on a saturday? I guess they messed up something, perhaps the real weekly maintenance will happen next week? lol

Originally posted by Airwren

The idea that pvp in TOR is somehow an 'endgame' activity is laughable as it currently stands.  Bioware has no idea what they are doing with pvp in this game in several fairly obvious, and also fairly catastrophic ways.  Unfortunately the cat is out of the bag if you will.  The real option they have is to take Ilum out of the game and rework the idea and the function of the planet entirely.  Instead they keep trying to tweak a broken system, hoping to god they get it right before the pvp game is totally ruined by these types of exploits.  To do this though requires them to admit that they failed, which they won't do.  Pvp as it stands in TOR is laughable at best, and is only getting worse.

I can agree with this and about a week ago I did see them apologize for Ilum and said they were gonna work on it......I didn't get the impression from that though that they were gonna re-design it but styrongly believe they need to because it's current design is a big joke PvP wise.

Originally posted by Warsong

Originally posted by Airwren

The idea that pvp in TOR is somehow an 'endgame' activity is laughable as it currently stands.  Bioware has no idea what they are doing with pvp in this game in several fairly obvious, and also fairly catastrophic ways.  Unfortunately the cat is out of the bag if you will.  The real option they have is to take Ilum out of the game and rework the idea and the function of the planet entirely.  Instead they keep trying to tweak a broken system, hoping to god they get it right before the pvp game is totally ruined by these types of exploits.  To do this though requires them to admit that they failed, which they won't do.  Pvp as it stands in TOR is laughable at best, and is only getting worse.

I can agree with this and about a week ago I did see them apologize for Ilum and said they were gonna work on it......I didn't get the impression from that though that they were gonna re-design it but styrongly believe they need to because it's current design is a big joke PvP wise.

I didn't see them post an apology for it but really it's already too late.  Because the pvp in TOR is largely gear centric and only a small portion skill based, the damage is already done.  It really isn't any different then not catching an item or credit dupe and then not being able to do correct the problem.  For anyone that's seen that happen in an MMO it will devastate the economy for months, if not years after the cheat is caught.  The same problem now exists in TOR.  The longer they allow it to continue, the longer it's going to take them to actually fix what's wrong with PvP.  Unless they are willing to admit the problem and take drastic measures to fix the issues, the pvp game is going to suffer for a long long time to come.  Unfortunately I've been around the MMO genre long enough to know that these kinds of problems are almost never fixed completely and the pvp in this game is going to limp along for a very long time.

Hmm... I am the least one who defends an EA game, but if 40-60 people on different factions coordinate something, then it is tough for GMs in most MMOs.

Sadly in this case it is a players´ problem in my opinion.

If they have the "In game metrics" to punish exploiters or people who take advantage of the game's mechanics,  which they claim they do, then this should be an easy thing for them to fix.

They stated before they will meet out punishment on an individual scale. 

As a super competitive person, i find this completely unacceptable. Unfortunately you can't patch a fix to stop this, you can only start banning people doing it. I'm sure there's already guilds leveling opposing faction alts so they can farm themselves. 

So many terrible design decisions made with TOR.