Originally posted by mackdawg19

Seeing as I work in a field were you have to sign non-competition agreements or not get hired, I will say this. They are frivalous and usually end up getting thrown out of court in the US. In other countries they don't, but in the US many have tried to use them against employess and failed. NCSoft hopefully isnt going to go into this battle with just that against them or they will lose. BTW, in the US non-competition agreements go against ammendment rights that is why they get thrown out. Read through one and you will see. 

 

This ^^. I have had to sign them too. And have taken them to lawyers and they said the same thing. They don't hold up....

Very bad release date due to a possible GW2 release in April, May this year.

Wish you guys the best, the starting concept was very nice - tho the nerves (no aiming anymore etc) shoo'ed me away.

Good luck guys n gals !

This court case won't hold up in court. Ncsoft has been after BHS for 5 years now and they still have not been able to prove anything.  Non of the cases have been proven, and they are now before the supreme court in Korea. 

To be honest, NCsoft is scared.  Their once mighty empire is slowly crumbling, due to their horrible working conditions.  Most of their good talent is leaving by the droves. 

Not only did 90 emplyees leave NCsoft to form BHS, but many others have left as well.  Even Jake Song left with 100 employers to form XL Games. 

So this really has nothing to do with TERA. It's everything to scare NCsoft emplyees from leave to go to other companies. 

Originally posted by Kumapon

This court case won't hold up in court. Ncsoft has been after BHS for 5 years now and they still have not been able to prove anything.  Non of the cases have been proven, and they are now before the supreme court in Korea. 

To be honest, NCsoft is scared.  Their once mighty empire is slowly crumbling, due to their horrible working conditions.  Most of their good talent is leaving by the droves. 

Not only did 90 emplyees leave NCsoft to form BHS, but many others have left as well.  Even Jake Song left with 100 employers to form XL Games. 

So this really has nothing to do with TERA. It's everything to scare NCsoft emplyees from leave to go to other companies. 

At first, I thought BHS sounded kind of scummy too, but after reading up on the details, I realized that was premature.  I agree, it sounds a lot more like NCSoft is just upset that so many employees left.  They probably wish they could have the deserters put to death for their disloyalty, but that doesn't actually make them criminals.

Originally posted by Kumapon

This court case won't hold up in court. Ncsoft has been after BHS for 5 years now and they still have not been able to prove anything.  Non of the cases have been proven, and they are now before the supreme court in Korea. 

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Quite the reverse they have proven their case... twice in fact. The only thing that was mitigated at appeal was the potential damages. the defendednds where however found guilty (again). Prison sentences and fines where handed out. BHS are guilty and the 3 in question are convicted criminals. 

I don't know how you can say that nothing has been proven, quite the reverse. I dunno how anyone can look at what has been presented  and not conclude that they are a bunch of thieves. 

Originally posted by Gorilla

Originally posted by Kumapon

This court case won't hold up in court. Ncsoft has been after BHS for 5 years now and they still have not been able to prove anything.  Non of the cases have been proven, and they are now before the supreme court in Korea. 

snip

Quite the reverse they have proven their case... twice in fact. The only thing that was mitigated at appeal was the potential damages. the defendednds where however found guilty (again). Prison sentences and fines where handed out. BHS are guilty and the 3 in question are convicted criminals. 

I don't know how you can say that nothing has been proven, quite the reverse. I dunno how anyone can look at what has been presented  and not conclude that they are a bunch of thieves. 

*sigh* Here we go again...

Those people were convicted because they stole the code and wanted to sell it to another company, it was never proved that TERA has part of the code in it. NCsoft can only stop TERA if they find evidence that the Lineage 3 code was used for TERA but their lawsuit barely even mentions the Lineage 3 code.

Edit: If they had the evidence they would make it clear in the lawsuit that TERA has part of the Lineage 3 code, but they are merely trying to sue TERA for using similar concepts.

Originally posted by Ganathar

Originally posted by Gorilla

Quite the reverse they have proven their case... twice in fact. The only thing that was mitigated at appeal was the potential damages. the defendednds where however found guilty (again). Prison sentences and fines where handed out. BHS are guilty and the 3 in question are convicted criminals. 

I don't know how you can say that nothing has been proven, quite the reverse. I dunno how anyone can look at what has been presented  and not conclude that they are a bunch of thieves. 

*sigh* Here we go again...

Those people were convicted because they stole the code and wanted to sell it to another company, it was never proved that TERA has part of the code in it. NCsoft can only stop TERA if they find evidence that the Lineage 3 code was used for TERA but their lawsuit barely even mentions the Lineage 3 code.

A few people were convicted, but that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with BHS or Tera.  I haven't seen any indication of any correlation at all.  Aside from NCSoft's vague implications and guilt by association.   This is if you're even willing to put that much faith in the Korean legal system.

Originally posted by Thachsanh

Actually, if you read the complain they filed, it stated that the Korean police the a list of file that they were taken from NCSoft offices using portable storage devices. They even have a BHS internal memo instructing how to deal with those assets. They have ex-NCSoft developers now work for BHS admitted to the police that they stole stuffs from NCSoft.

And BHS lost the criminal court twice already. BHS founder is in jail. Heh, what more do you need?

There's no doubt that BHS stole a lot from Lineage 3 project. But that will be resolved in criminal case.

What interested me is how can NCSoft prove to the US court that TERA is using Lineage 3 project assets. It's not easy to do so. That's why the fight is still going on in Korea. We will see how it goes in the US though.

This. 

Of course the high court could overturn it all but that seems pretty unlikely.

Originally posted by Ganathar

Originally posted by Gorilla

Originally posted by Kumapon

This court case won't hold up in court. Ncsoft has been after BHS for 5 years now and they still have not been able to prove anything.  Non of the cases have been proven, and they are now before the supreme court in Korea. 

snip

Quite the reverse they have proven their case... twice in fact. The only thing that was mitigated at appeal was the potential damages. the defendednds where however found guilty (again). Prison sentences and fines where handed out. BHS are guilty and the 3 in question are convicted criminals. 

I don't know how you can say that nothing has been proven, quite the reverse. I dunno how anyone can look at what has been presented  and not conclude that they are a bunch of thieves. 

*sigh* Here we go again...

Those people were convicted because they stole the code and wanted to sell it to another company, it was never proved that TERA has part of the code in it. NCsoft can only stop TERA if they find evidence that the Lineage 3 code was used for TERA but their lawsuit barely even mentions the Lineage 3 code.

Edit: If they had the evidence they would make it clear in the lawsuit that TERA has part of the Lineage 3 code, but they are merely trying to sue TERA for using similar concepts.

Sure when did I say anything else? They are still criminals. Stealing stuff is criminal regardless of whether they used it or not. As you say the remaning issue is of course determining if it was used in Terra and deciding if there is consequential loss. I do hold an opinion on that but  have not really stated it. It's a much trickier thing to adjudicate. I am not one of the guys saying Terra is doomed or even that it will be delayed. I am simply saying the guys are convicted criminals which they are. 

NCsoft is Jelly.

I hope they dont try anything stupid with ANet and GW2

Originally posted by Gorilla

Originally posted by Ganathar

Originally posted by Gorilla

Originally posted by Kumapon

This court case won't hold up in court. Ncsoft has been after BHS for 5 years now and they still have not been able to prove anything.  Non of the cases have been proven, and they are now before the supreme court in Korea. 

snip

Quite the reverse they have proven their case... twice in fact. The only thing that was mitigated at appeal was the potential damages. the defendednds where however found guilty (again). Prison sentences and fines where handed out. BHS are guilty and the 3 in question are convicted criminals. 

I don't know how you can say that nothing has been proven, quite the reverse. I dunno how anyone can look at what has been presented  and not conclude that they are a bunch of thieves. 

*sigh* Here we go again...

Those people were convicted because they stole the code and wanted to sell it to another company, it was never proved that TERA has part of the code in it. NCsoft can only stop TERA if they find evidence that the Lineage 3 code was used for TERA but their lawsuit barely even mentions the Lineage 3 code.

Edit: If they had the evidence they would make it clear in the lawsuit that TERA has part of the Lineage 3 code, but they are merely trying to sue TERA for using similar concepts.

Sure when did I say anything else? They are still criminals. Stealing stuff is criminal regardless of whether they used it or not. As you say the remaning issue is of course determining if it was used in Terra and deciding if there is consequential loss. I do hold an opinion on that but  have not really stated it. It's a much trickier thing to adjudicate. I am not one of the guys saying Terra is doomed or even that it will be delayed. I am simply saying the guys are convicted criminals which they are. 

Yes those 3 people were criminals and have been convicted already so they have already been punished alright?
 That part is over.

I said that in order to stop TERA thay need to prove that part of the Lineage 3 code was used to make TERA so what you are saying doesn't matter. The 3 people stole it and were sentenced but the code hasn't been found in the game.

Edit: so i'm glad we all understand it.

well those guys are no longer part of ncsoft and they have pursuit with the new project which is beyond control of the previous company.. literally they have no ownership with the idea as they have not provided any means of resources. honestly i dont think video games have patents anymore as they fall in a general criteria so basically we are talking about generic video games so anyone could actually copy any games unless certain mmo is completely unique like blade and soul/tera online... lineage definitely doesn't fall to the criteia.

Originally posted by rojo6934

NCsoft is Jelly.

I hope they dont try anything stupid with ANet and GW2

 

Apart from the fact that Anet is a branch of NCsoft so that would be trying to boycott their own product?