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1/27/12 9:37:43 AM#21
GW2 is b2p. tera, most likely is p2p, i really couldnt see the competition that tera will have against gw2.
Someone in the official forum , and here, did say that BH is not allow to publish the game any further, but i dont know why NC didnt stop them from publishing in Jap.
RIP Orc Choppa |
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1/27/12 9:39:41 AM#22
every country has different laws. |
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1/27/12 9:40:33 AM#23
Originally posted by Letyson
They've paid NC nothing. The damage portion of the award was struck down by an Appellate court in Korea. The matter is still before the courts in Korea - even though the game has launched there. |
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1/27/12 9:47:26 AM#24
Alright then I guess that site I read have been giving me misleading info. If the matter is still going on in Korea, that just makes this even more stupid. I don't understand how they would be able to release the game then in korea, but I suppose they have funny laws there. |
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1/27/12 9:47:32 AM#25
Originally posted by Sector13
Did you read the actual legal document? It doesn't even say anything about code. What they're being accused of stealing is more conceptual.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world. |
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1/27/12 9:49:08 AM#26
Originally posted by Letyson Unfortunately, technically the did steal the work. NCsoft pays for their programs and employees to even get the game off the ground. To allow them to take Tera and walk out the door is a huge investment NCsoft just lost.  Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you. |
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1/27/12 9:51:01 AM#27
Originally posted by Vhaln Did you read the fact that they already lost the court battle in SK? Doesn't matter what you think is ridiculous or not. Simple facts are simple. They know what they did was wrong, did it anyway, lost the court case and kept going with it anyway. Don't blame NCsoft, blame BHS and EME for it. They knew, they didn't care. |
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1/27/12 9:57:50 AM#28
Originally posted by Sector13
Ok, I'll take back the opinion about it being ridiculous, but why so riled up about it? You seem awfully aggressive about your stance, there...
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world. |
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1/27/12 9:59:39 AM#29
Yeah I read it. The parts with the 7 races, the map, combat system and political system. I don't know if those documents really have a saying, like I've seen MMO's that have features like that already. Those documents is like seeing some ideas for a game that should have been released 5 years ago. |
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1/27/12 10:18:13 AM#30
Originally posted by Letyson Yus, it is. But if you're prone to doing so, you're better off not signing that contract. Ignore the nattering of beldames, enjoy whatever you like. |
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1/27/12 10:24:20 AM#31
Originally posted by Vhaln Because they are criminals? It would seem that this was planned and executed whilst they work working at NCsoft. |
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1/27/12 10:31:48 AM#32
Originally posted by Icewhite Exactly. As I've said before, I work in a factory. I'm nobody special, just an hourly schmoe. But I had to sign a contract when I started here that says I can't work for my employer's competition for 7 years after I leave this place IN ANY CAPACITY. Not because I create stuff, but because I might have seen how stuff we have created is made.
And that's just to cover all bases. US trademark and copyright laws are strict. It's possible that, even if these guys didn't sign a contract, they could be found guilty here as well. WIth a contract, it's trademark infringement. Without one, it could be espionage if the lawyers handle it in a certain way.
I do have to wonder, though, if US courts have jurisdiction if Blue Hole chooses not to operate on American soil and instead opens English servers in Korea? Our courts aren't exactly known for their understanding of the 21st century digital age. I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil |
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1/27/12 10:34:26 AM#33
Originally posted by Gorilla
Are you sure? Just because that's how NCSoft chose to spin the situation? I haven't seen anything resembling evidence of that, or even specifics as to what they stole. Just a document that comes off more like vindictive hyperbole than anything else. When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world. |
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1/27/12 10:39:37 AM#34
Originally posted by Letyson Oh I know full well about craftsmanship and creating. I'm a composer. Now the thing is, if I create something for someone I make sure that it's something that I'm "ok" with giving away. If someone asks me to write them a piece I'm not going to write them something that I will later use in something else. What these creators are asked to do is to brainstorm and use their experience to create assets for their employer. That's their job. Anything they create they need to be comfortable parting with it. If for some reason they come up with amazing ideas that they don't want NC to have they need to leave the company and depending on their non-compete agreement, proceed in a way that is lawful. The point is, if you want to be a professional you have to act like a professional. Because one can act however one wants but after a while that will come back to bite you in the butt. If one doesn't like the terms of a contract then don't sign it. It's as simple as that. |
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1/27/12 10:40:17 AM#35
Tera will never release if what NcSoft is claiming ios true. Bluehole very well could be going to prison for theft.
Apparently Bluehole employees where former NcSoft Employees who where working on Lineage 3. They basically quit NcSoft, took the material of Lineage 2 , some software and other NcSoft property to start up Bluehole. EnMasse are idiots for not checking the complete timeline and start up of Bluehole , and now they to could be liable. |
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1/27/12 10:47:01 AM#36
I find it funny with all experts here at MMORPG.com talking about what contract they broke etc without actually have read the contracts themselves... just saying. |
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1/27/12 10:48:50 AM#37
EME is made up of former NCsoft/NCwest employees. They knew what they were doing. |
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1/27/12 10:50:34 AM#38
Originally posted by Vhaln Not completely sure. Technically they are 'convicted criminals' they have also lost an appeal. The way I read it the damages where somewhat mitigated but they where found guilty (again). Apparently (according to one of the articles, I only read the US documents not the Korean ones) they where having clandestine meetings in the board room to poach other employees too. Presumably some blew the whistle on them. |
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1/27/12 10:52:04 AM#39
Originally posted by Kuro1n You're right, we haven't seen any contract. But we do know some things, such as the Korean court system initially siding with NCSoft both civilly and criminally. Non-compete agreements are standard practice, if NCSoft chose not have thier employees sign one, that is their problem, but there are still trademark laws that will cover parts of that oversight.
We're not experts. We're just educated. I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil |
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1/27/12 10:52:32 AM#40
Originally posted by Kuro1n But we all stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night I'm taking a shot of vodka every time I see a reference to go back to WoW. |
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