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  Cripnoah

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1/26/12 3:20:45 PM#41

L3 =/= lineage eternal, I'm pretty sure development of the latter started recently while the former was canceled years ago.

  Sovrath

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1/26/12 3:44:16 PM#42
Originally posted by Exilor

When people say Lineage 3, is it Lineage Eternal? Or are they making two games of the same franchise at the same time?

Essentially.

It was being called "lineage 3" and then the whole Tera thing happened and yadda, yadda, yadda, they are now workign on Lineage Eternal.

  Sovrath

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1/26/12 3:45:28 PM#43
Originally posted by Cripnoah

L3 =/= lineage eternal, I'm pretty sure development of the latter started recently while the former was canceled years ago.

It's essentially the 3rd installment in the Lineage series. It's just being given a different name.

  SkillCosby

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1/27/12 6:34:50 AM#44

It sounds like they waited to make their move upon launch to make the most financial gain.


Courts don't work this way.


 


However, I don't know the whole story.


  ScorpionOne

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1/27/12 9:29:56 AM#45

NCSoft has to prove that the source code stolen was proprietary information.  I don't know how it works for other companies like NCSoft, but a person working on proprietary  projects must sign a form stating that if they leave, what they're working on is the companies.  This is what NCSoft has to prove.  If they can't, then there won't be a leg to stand on.



  Leucrotta

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1/27/12 9:32:21 AM#46
Originally posted by misles

NCSoft has to prove that the source code stolen was proprietary information.  I don't know how it works for other companies like NCSoft, but a person working on proprietary  projects must sign a form stating that if they leave, what they're working on is the companies.  This is what NCSoft has to prove.  If they can't, then there won't be a leg to stand on.

They already did in Korea and won most of it, thats why they now do it too in the u.s.

  Stuka1000

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1/27/12 9:36:59 AM#47

I remember before the release of L2 a large portion of the code wa supposedly stolen which led to exploits , bots, gold farmers under every rock etc.  Now Nc say that the source code for L3 has gone the same way.  Either NC has the worst security ever in the games industry or they release portions of the code on purpose ( afterall they didn't exactly rush to get rid of the farmers in L2 did they ).  This time however it seems that someone has had the nerve to actually use it in the production of another game instead of just finding the loopholes that can be exploited in L3 so out come the lawsuits.  Here is an idea NC, keep the bloody code secret you morons.


  Gorilla

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1/27/12 9:37:12 AM#48
Originally posted by stayontarget

Burden of proof lies with NCsoft in this case,  something they know thay cannot provide or win in court.  But that is not what this lawsuit is about,  This lawsuit is about giving bad media press to the competion and it will do just that.   NC has very deep pockets so spending a little bit of money to hurt your rival is money well spent.  These sort of things between rival companies happen all the time.

http://www.thisisgame.com/go/2011/01/20/bluehole-is-not-guilty-for-lineage-3/

 

BHS will not turn it into a media pissing contest (just like they did with the last lawsuit by NC), its not BHS style.  They will ride it out and let the courts deside.

 

It was ruled that BHS had stolen trade secrets and damages where awarded. That sounds like a win for NCsoft.

  Leucrotta

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1/27/12 9:43:16 AM#49
Originally posted by eric1000

 Here is an idea NC, keep the bloody code secret you morons.

How can you keep the code secret from the people that make the code? as they are the ones that supposedly stole it.

  Reizla

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1/27/12 9:48:24 AM#50
Originally posted by saky

I think we shouldn't voice our opinion on this matter, the code was indeed stolen but probably the thief are the same people as those who worked on the code.


It's possible that they just think the code is their own since the worked on it.

AFAIK there's an international law on computer code stating that if a code is 'stolen' from someone else and less than (x)% of the original code is changed, the code is still of the one who claimed it was stolen.

Now I figure that since in 2007 the L3 code (actually only the modified Unreal3 engine) was stolen and in 5 years that BHS was able to add more than the % I mentioned before, I highly doubt that NCSoft has any ground on which to claim the code is still theirs...

Anyways... After all this time waiting, I have my doubts on TERA. It kinda failed in Korea and Japan recently merged 75% of their servers. THis just makes me wonder if TERA will be worth to play or I should wait for NCSoft to come up with L3 in a year or 2...

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  Gorilla

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1/27/12 9:49:12 AM#51
Originally posted by Bookah

Umm where to start...

A number of the posters here seem to have decided that BLueHole is absolulty guilty and "Rotten to the core" etc with out posting any proof or even compeling sources. Having been a long time NCSOFT customer i am not so quick to condem bluehole.

I  have looked online at and the best description of what acctualy is going on seems to be:

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/01/26/ncsoft-seek-to-prevent-us-release-of-tera/

This shows a very different picture than Bluehole being some kind of bad guys here...

Not sure how you get that from the piece. According to the article it resulted in jail sentences in Korea. It concludes

It does look like they have a pretty strong case here, and this could mean a significant delay for TERA, perhaps even kill it dead. We’ll keep you posted.

  nomss

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1/27/12 9:52:10 AM#52

Originally posted by fony

They were found guilty of the crime in Korea, but their copyright laws somehow allowed TERA to continue to be made over there. that will not be happening on the other side of the world though.



 


I think we Cannot be so sure? It says "similar cases have been adjudicated in Korea between NCSoft and BlueHole Studios resulting in both criminal and civil convictions against BHS. Both decsions have, however, had portions overturned and remain in appeals courts in Korea."


See, what I'm making out of this is that the court has not charged BHS with anything yet.


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  Gorilla

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1/27/12 10:00:41 AM#53
Originally posted by eric1000

I remember before the release of L2 a large portion of the code wa supposedly stolen which led to exploits , bots, gold farmers under every rock etc.  Now Nc say that the source code for L3 has gone the same way.  Either NC has the worst security ever in the games industry or they release portions of the code on purpose ( afterall they didn't exactly rush to get rid of the farmers in L2 did they ).  This time however it seems that someone has had the nerve to actually use it in the production of another game instead of just finding the loopholes that can be exploited in L3 so out come the lawsuits.  Here is an idea NC, keep the bloody code secret you morons.

Almost impossible to do, these were employes working on the assets they stole. You can remove USB ports from PC's but the only real way of stopping people transferring stuff out is no internet, blocking port 21 (ftp) aint going to do it.

  drbaltazar

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1/27/12 10:15:18 AM#54
Ya ncsoft is right to ask the justice for some retaliation cause copy and pasting game full or in part without payment should be nuclearised to smithereen.ncsoft might not close the game but they should get 25% of sale at store.not 25% of the profit.this way terabytes would still be allowed to lunch and secondo ncsoft wouldn't be in the very precarious situation it is in now because of. This issue
  Gorilla

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1/27/12 10:18:49 AM#55
Originally posted by nomss

Originally posted by fony

They were found guilty of the crime in Korea, but their copyright laws somehow allowed TERA to continue to be made over there. that will not be happening on the other side of the world though.



 

I think we Cannot be so sure? It says "similar cases have been adjudicated in Korea between NCSoft and BlueHole Studios resulting in both criminal and civil convictions against BHS. Both decsions have, however, had portions overturned and remain in appeals courts in Korea."


See, what I'm making out of this is that the court has not charged BHS with anything yet.

So essentially they have twice been found guilty (once on appeal) sure a portion was overturned but essentially it was upheld. I understand from the other linked article that the case is now at the highest court in Korea. Nowhere left for them to go after that one.

  Anubisan

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1/27/12 10:26:25 AM#56

As much as I would like to see TERA be released, I don't think anyone should be allowed to get away with stealing source code from another company and using it in another game. If it can be proven that this was indeed done with TERA, they should not be allowed to release the game.

  JoeyMMO

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To busy playing GW2 to post much around here... *shrug*

1/27/12 11:13:13 AM#57
Originally posted by Gorilla
*snip*

Not sure how you get that from the piece. According to the article it resulted in jail sentences in Korea. It concludes

It does look like they have a pretty strong case here, and this could mean a significant delay for TERA, perhaps even kill it dead. We’ll keep you posted.

 I doubt NCSoft would benefit much by killing TERA. I think they're more interested in settling for a lot of cash than in killing something that could make them money.

  JoeyMMO

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To busy playing GW2 to post much around here... *shrug*

1/27/12 11:18:45 AM#58
Originally posted by eric1000

I remember before the release of L2 a large portion of the code wa supposedly stolen which led to exploits , bots, gold farmers under every rock etc.  Now Nc say that the source code for L3 has gone the same way.  Either NC has the worst security ever in the games industry or they release portions of the code on purpose ( afterall they didn't exactly rush to get rid of the farmers in L2 did they ).  This time however it seems that someone has had the nerve to actually use it in the production of another game instead of just finding the loopholes that can be exploited in L3 so out come the lawsuits.  Here is an idea NC, keep the bloody code secret you morons.

 Yeah, keep the code secret from the coders, way to go.

  Gorilla

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1/27/12 11:25:35 AM#59
Originally posted by JoeyMMO

 I doubt NCSoft would benefit much by killing TERA. I think they're more interested in settling for a lot of cash than in killing something that could make them money.

Yeah can't see how that does anyone any good. You know what I had a wierd 'I wonder if one day Terra will end up in the NCsoft stable' moment, then I thought about it and realised it was pretty foolish.

  Ganathar

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1/27/12 11:30:43 AM#60
Originally posted by nomss

Originally posted by fony

They were found guilty of the crime in Korea, but their copyright laws somehow allowed TERA to continue to be made over there. that will not be happening on the other side of the world though.



 

I think we Cannot be so sure? It says "similar cases have been adjudicated in Korea between NCSoft and BlueHole Studios resulting in both criminal and civil convictions against BHS. Both decsions have, however, had portions overturned and remain in appeals courts in Korea."


See, what I'm making out of this is that the court has not charged BHS with anything yet.

The story goes like this.

The former leaders of project Lineage 3 where found guilty because they stole the code and apparently intended to sell it but it was never proven in court that the code was used to make TERA. This is why TERA is still standing in Korea.

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