Originally posted by WhiteLantern

The information belongs to NCSoft because they hired and paid the programmers to come up with it.

We have contracts for this purpose.

Originally posted by Stopflow

While typically by law this is true, something has to be said for the "little man". I have no facts here, but speaking hypothetically, say the individual(s) who stole this "code" actually wrote that code as well as any and all other assests "stolen"? Now consider these indvidual(s) were "let go" due to creative difference, or left due to it. Who's actual "work" is it?

This type of law to me on an artistic level is questionable. Be it music, art, film, gaming, etc... Many artists are basically robbed, there is just a lot wrong with that to me. This issue comes up all the time, sometimes artists win sometimes the stooges do, either way I think it's time this law was better defined as well as had more forms of compensation for the artist(s) themselves.

 

 

Does "little man" mean thief?

"...say the individual(s) who stole this "code" actually wrote that code as well as any and all other assests "stolen"? Now consider these indvidual(s) were "let go" due to creative difference, or left due to it. Who's actual "work" is it?"

The company that was paying them to create it.

Originally posted by fony

saw this coming, no way a US court will allow this game to come out. they were just waiting for a release date so they could strike.

I disagree.  NCSoft has to have very damaging information that proves NCSoft's business will be damaged by  such to cause the court to issue an injunction.  Of course it depends on the judge, but I doubt the release will be affected.

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Originally posted by fony

saw this coming, no way a US court will allow this game to come out. they were just waiting for a release date so they could strike.

I disagree.  NCSoft has to have very damaging information that proves NCSoft's business will be damaged by  such to cause the court to issue an injunction.  Of course it depends on the judge, but I doubt the release will be affected.

Well, NCSoft's information was damaging enough to get BlueHole convicted in Korea.  Unless some kind of major settlement is made, this game won't be coming out in the US.

Originally posted by Qazaam

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Originally posted by fony

saw this coming, no way a US court will allow this game to come out. they were just waiting for a release date so they could strike.

I disagree.  NCSoft has to have very damaging information that proves NCSoft's business will be damaged by  such to cause the court to issue an injunction.  Of course it depends on the judge, but I doubt the release will be affected.

Well, NCSoft's information was damaging enough to get BlueHole convicted in Korea.  Unless some kind of major settlement is made, this game won't be coming out in the US.

I disagree, going to be highly difficult for NCSoft to prove this game is going to damage their business, especially since their own game is not even close to production.  Not to say they won't get damages, but an injunction to stop the game, very doubtful.

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Originally posted by Qazaam

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Originally posted by fony

saw this coming, no way a US court will allow this game to come out. they were just waiting for a release date so they could strike.

I disagree.  NCSoft has to have very damaging information that proves NCSoft's business will be damaged by  such to cause the court to issue an injunction.  Of course it depends on the judge, but I doubt the release will be affected.

Well, NCSoft's information was damaging enough to get BlueHole convicted in Korea.  Unless some kind of major settlement is made, this game won't be coming out in the US.

I disagree, going to be highly difficult for NCSoft to prove this game is going to damage their business, especially since their own game is not even close to production.  Not to say they won't get damages, but an injunction to stop the game, very doubtful.

The so-called 'damage' would be profits they won't be getting from a company that's using their stolen property.  I'd say that would be sufficient.

Originally posted by Qazaam

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Originally posted by fony

saw this coming, no way a US court will allow this game to come out. they were just waiting for a release date so they could strike.

I disagree.  NCSoft has to have very damaging information that proves NCSoft's business will be damaged by  such to cause the court to issue an injunction.  Of course it depends on the judge, but I doubt the release will be affected.

Well, NCSoft's information was damaging enough to get BlueHole convicted in Korea.  Unless some kind of major settlement is made, this game won't be coming out in the US.

Yet the game is actually online in Korea...

Originally posted by paterah

Originally posted by Qazaam

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Originally posted by fony

saw this coming, no way a US court will allow this game to come out. they were just waiting for a release date so they could strike.

I disagree.  NCSoft has to have very damaging information that proves NCSoft's business will be damaged by  such to cause the court to issue an injunction.  Of course it depends on the judge, but I doubt the release will be affected.

Well, NCSoft's information was damaging enough to get BlueHole convicted in Korea.  Unless some kind of major settlement is made, this game won't be coming out in the US.

Yet the game is actually online in Korea...

After a hefty settlement ... which, as I stated, would also probably allow TERA to releasein the US

My own experience is that judges and courts have no idea about programming and source codes, and will make their ruling based on factors outside actual understanding of the issue.  A conviction means almost nothing except that it LOOKS like to a regular joe that they stole code.

Really Blizzard should sue Trion and Bioware lol.

 Heh , it's funny because the same company (NCsoft) that supports botting , heck they even show you how to bot , is putting up a lawsuit? 

  That right there made my week and I'm working this week end LMAO!!! :P

Good stuff right there. 

The legal side of me says good for NCsoft. 

However, does anyone know if this will effect the UK launch as well? Not to be selfish but I have waited long enough for this game :D

Originally posted by Qazaam

Originally posted by paterah

Originally posted by Qazaam

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Originally posted by fony

saw this coming, no way a US court will allow this game to come out. they were just waiting for a release date so they could strike.

I disagree.  NCSoft has to have very damaging information that proves NCSoft's business will be damaged by  such to cause the court to issue an injunction.  Of course it depends on the judge, but I doubt the release will be affected.

Well, NCSoft's information was damaging enough to get BlueHole convicted in Korea.  Unless some kind of major settlement is made, this game won't be coming out in the US.

Yet the game is actually online in Korea...

After a hefty settlement ... which, as I stated, would also probably allow TERA to releasein the US

Now that's a better tone to say it. More likely than not.

This is awful, I was really waiting for this game to come.

They Stole everything like 2-3 years ago and YES the Ncsoft employes were the ones who stole the codes but they went and created another company. So really even if they did help create it, it wasnt theres to take and take credit for so it didnt matter if they made it or not. Tera has failed hard in Korea, so im not going to be suprised if it fails here becuase the game is not good at all....ive played it many time in Korea. Then i played my friends us beta account, nothing to hype over.

I kinda want them to get introuble they have no right to take another companies game resources and go to make there own game and take credit for something they never made.

Burden of proof lies with NCsoft in this case,  something they know thay cannot provide or win in court.  But that is not what this lawsuit is about,  This lawsuit is about giving bad media press to the competion and it will do just that.   NC has very deep pockets so spending a little bit of money to hurt your rival is money well spent.  These sort of things between rival companies happen all the time.

http://www.thisisgame.com/go/2011/01/20/bluehole-is-not-guilty-for-lineage-3/

BHS will not turn it into a media pissing contest (just like they did with the last lawsuit by NC), its not BHS style.  They will ride it out and let the courts deside.

I don't necessarily believe that NCSoft is going to get all they ask for, even though I believe they're in the right for bringing this suit against BH. The main issue is that US courts are notoriously in the dark when it comes to gaming, especially online gaming and the internet in general, where they may as well be living under rocks. 

Second, even if NCSoft does win, that doesn't mean you guys won't see TERA releasing here. NCsoft is developing Lineage 3 still, and likely with their prior proprietary knowledge stolen they've started from scratch (since years ago, when we first heard rumors of stolen tech for L3). I don't think NCSoft actually views TERA as a threat considering they've likely already moved beyond it, I think this is a suit based on the principle of the matter and the money. It's far more likely that, rather than stopping the game from releasing in the US, the companies will settle on money, perhaps even a percentage of the company's profits from the game.

In the end that's all any of this is ever about, and if NCSoft can get sufficient 'damages' from BH, you'll see TERA released here with little if any delay.

Originally posted by thamighty213

Originally posted by dinams

I really dont know what to say of this

NCsoft has a fame of sueing everyone and their mother, but it is its hand feeding GW2 so I prefer to stay neutral

 

This is probably fair on NC's behalf though,   a number of people involved in this project are rotten to the core and where involved in the theft of of the L3 source code/assets.

Years of development stolen attempted to market to a unamed japanese company then when no bite Bluehole set up,  Korean courts already ruled in NCSofts favour twice in fact extending sentances (suspended) and fines for blueholes owners.

That settled the issue in the east and I am not surprised to see NCSoft pursueing the same fines/compensation in the western market,  if somebody had stole my work I would do the same based on territory it was being offered in.

Umm where to start...

A number of the posters here seem to have decided that BLueHole is absolulty guilty and "Rotten to the core" etc with out posting any proof or even compeling sources. Having been a long time NCSOFT customer i am not so quick to condem bluehole.

I  have looked online at and the best description of what acctualy is going on seems to be:

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/01/26/ncsoft-seek-to-prevent-us-release-of-tera/

This shows a very different picture than Bluehole being some kind of bad guys here...

All I though was "Not really a good secret when people make use of it"

Originally posted by Bookah

Umm where to start...

A number of the posters here seem to have decided that BLueHole is absolulty guilty and "Rotten to the core" etc with out posting any proof or even compeling sources. Having been a long time NCSOFT customer i am not so quick to condem bluehole.

I  have looked online at and the best description of what acctualy is going on seems to be:

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/01/26/ncsoft-seek-to-prevent-us-release-of-tera/

This shows a very different picture than Bluehole being some kind of bad guys here...

Yeah, after reading some of that legal document earlier, NCSoft starts looking like they're just trying to sabotage Tera, by dragging them down whether they have a real case or not - there's no mention of specific code that was stolen, or anything of that nature, as far as I could see.  Just a lot about similar concepts, which are actually similar to a lot of other MMOs, too.  Almost seems like maybe they're just being vindictive over employee disloyalty.  Pretty despicable of NCSoft, if I'm getting it right.

When people say Lineage 3, is it Lineage Eternal? Or are they making two games of the same franchise at the same time?