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  Rabiator

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1/24/12 5:42:04 PM#41

Considering graphics, I want full 3D but I'll settle for slightly obsolete graphics. The sort that went into AAA games 5-10 years ago. Think Half Life 1 or better. While the characters still looked a bit rough in that generation of games, they had everything needed to support gameplay. Such as decent screen resolutions, which allowed you to recognize objects at some distance.

Today even most free2play MMOs meet the above standard, so I think the industry at large has reached a satisfactory quality level here .

But on the gameplay side, things are not nearly as well. Original and well designed games are just as rare as 10 years ago. I think development studios in general should shift more of their efforts to gameplay design, as that area really needs improvement. Too many games are just uninspired clones of another, successful game.

 

Short version:

I'm generally happy with the state of graphics in games. But gameplay often sucks and really needs more attention from developers.

  GTwander

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1/24/12 5:56:03 PM#42

The thing is that everyone has this idea that a game has to look good enough from the beginning to "last long enough to compete against incoming games".

The problem is that while a game may look good, it's never going to change mechanically, and if it does, expect NGE-sized flak over it. So, look at it as a game, like the new Star Wars game, as being able to look good enough for another few years, but the gameplay will never change, and we know *exactly* what to expect by now for future content. The same stuff.

On the other hand, EVE and Entropia were able to do visual upgrades, as well as many other games, and the core is still what it is, and can be improved on in it's own unique way. So dammit people, play a game that amazes you with it's gameplay, graphics can come later with enough demand and funding... because gameplay will never change, and if you're playing tired shit simply because it's the best looking thing on the market - guess what? Your problem.

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  Dredphyre

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1/24/12 10:57:10 PM#43

Yes. I DO want gameplay over graphics....for some of my games.  That is why I play Minecraft (although the graphics are really starting to grow on me ;) ).  But I also play SWTOR now...which has great graphics even if the game play isn't ridiculously innovative. The game play is fun, and I enjoy the graphics.

 

Different games serve different needs for me.

  StonesDK

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1/24/12 11:56:51 PM#44

nevermind

  Loke666

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1/25/12 12:16:04 AM#45
Originally posted by TruthXHurts

I agree Lizardbones. The non mainstream players are too spread out on what they want. The fact is they can all agree that theme park rail shooters, and generally just dumbed down game play is not what they are looking for. 

SQO may not be what every player is looking for but it's one of the few games that becomes what you put into it.

A lot of bugs have been fixed, and some graphics upgrades made a couple of years ago. The game is much better off than it was then. I'm not saying that all the bugs are gone though, btu it is much more playable than it was back then.

Most of us don´t actually know what we are looking for until we see it...

As for graphics it do matter. A game don´t have to look like AoC but there is a limit to how old a game can look for any player.  Mine is around Guildwars, if it looks less good then I don't  bother.

MMOs are games you spend years in and if it looks really old already when you start  it will be Flintstones graphics after a while.

  waynejr2

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1/25/12 12:24:07 AM#46

gameplay > graphics.

When people say they don't care about gameplay but graphics is most important, I can't help but imagine a baby in a crib looking at a mobile.

  CalmOceans

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1/25/12 6:09:49 AM#47

For some reason, all games I have liked and loved because of the gameplay also had good graphics (when they launched of course). This seems straightforward to me, if you can afford good graphics, you can also afford the good game designers.

So games with good graphics tend to attract me, not only because of the graphics, but because those are usually the games with the better gameplay. I'm not saying this is always the case of course, there are many many exceptions, but I do think that on average, a game with better graphics, also will have the better gameplay, or rather, it will have a bigger chance to have the better gameplay.

edit: (oh, I just wanted to add that this is my experience across game genres, it's not limited to MMO)

  jpnz

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1/25/12 6:44:46 AM#48

Minecraft shows that as long as your mechanics are good, it has a good chance of succeeding. However, if graphics are too poor and thus hindering the enjoyment of the game, then it isn't a 'good' game.

At the fundamental level, a game is an entertainment media.

Everyone's taste will be different and across different genre's.

Your typical FPS vs RPG will have vastly different graphical acceptance to a player.

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  emperorwings

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1/25/12 6:47:32 AM#49

Well yeah, I do take gameplay over graphics. Would be happy with ascii if the gameplay was there.

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  Mmorpgerius

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1/25/12 7:04:11 AM#50

Yes, but I draw the line to Ascii.

  xBlackBoxX

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1/25/12 7:06:52 AM#51

i think grafix is wat matter cus w/out gfx u cant even get into the game or u player, while w/ good gfx u can have fun knowing that u player is cool and that ever1 can see how cool ur

  xenogias

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1/25/12 7:15:13 AM#52

I want both gameplay and solid graphics. But do not be fooled into thinking an MMO can have the same quality of graphics that higher end graphics in a single player can run. Think crysis 2 with high rez textures, DX11 and fully maxed options. If you think you can have thoes style graphics with hundreds of people running around you are so delusional its not even funny.

As to the game the OP posted. DX11 doesnt mean squat by itself.  You can have DX11 and have average graphics. Look at metro 2033.  It had DX11. The fact that its DX11 ran terribly aside, there DX11 graphics really didnt look any better than DX10. Why? Because quality of textures ect just wasnt there. Where as a game like Crysis2 there is definitly a noticable diffrence between DX10 and 11 and each graphical setting.

  dlld

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1/25/12 8:24:52 AM#53

gameplay over graphics.... to a point, there's a certain limit and everyone has a different one, nobody would accept an 15/month mmo/50$ game comprimised of only black and white squares today, would they.

As for the game mentioned it seems below my graphical threshold to be honest, it's important to note that graphics are not just polygons but include virtually everything visual and arguably the most important part is the animations, if they are way of it completely ruins everything else even if you got lifelike models and textures

  SEANMCAD

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1/25/12 8:37:35 AM#54

I really really really really want both and I dont see any reason why we have to choose one over the other.

 

That said, if it looks like a cartoon to me (this is not technical quality this is art choice) I will refuse to play.

Xyson is a game which if it worked and if compeleted would be the ideal game and its graphics are very dated. That said, I would perfer to have an Xyson system on a graphics engine that was no more than 1000 years old thank you.

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  drbaltazar

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1/25/12 8:39:15 AM#55
All graphic are the same i would like more effort aesthetic effort tho cause often it looks like they copy and pasted eq1 code
  Teilo

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1/25/12 8:39:51 AM#56

I gew up playing Space Invaders on an Atari 2600; there is no such thing as 'bad graphics', kids today are just spoilt.

/getoffmylawn

  SEANMCAD

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1/25/12 8:41:15 AM#57
Originally posted by Teilo

I gew up playing Space Invaders on an Atari 2600; there is no such thing as 'bad graphics', kids today are just spoilt.

/getoffmylawn

totally disagree

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  spookydom

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1/25/12 8:44:07 AM#58

For myself I will take gameplay over graphics anyday. As long as the interface and controls are useable. I have been playing the original X-Com recently. Looks like arse nowadays even compared to phone games. Even so, gameplay wise it still holds it's own compared to any recent releases. Just being drawn into a game for it's graphics is one thing but without a playable and adictive game under the hood your enjoyment wont last long.

  SuprGamerX

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1/25/12 8:49:07 AM#59

 Heh , the real question here is  : Don't we have enough real life graphic MMO's with no content / gameplay?

I'm pretty sure the anwser is yes.

Again , what good is your Bugatti if you can't even put on the gas?  They are a great looking car , but not practical for most of the world's population.

 Like graphics on a MMO , what good are they if the majority of the population gets bored and quit within a month due to lack of content?

 Watch Diablo 3 and Torchlight 2 on how many people off the MMO world they're gonna snatch away from all the Devs.  And both games aren't top of the line when it comes to graphics , but both games are bombarded with content and game play to keep players busy for years , which should be the holy grail for any Dev trying to create a kick ass MMO ; CONTENT over meaningless graphics.

 Again and I don't know how many times I'll repeat myself , nothing stops a Dev from releasing a crappy looking game with loads of fun stuff to do , and in the long run improve on graphics.   MMO isn't like a Single player game like Skyrim. Skyrim for example takes about 300 hours to complete in normal circumstances and is quite good for a single playe game. A MMO in the other hand needs content so the game can last well over 10 times of what skyrim had to offer. Now If the Devs put more work into graphics to make it look like skyrim and ditch content , players will leave just as quick as they joined. When it comes to MMO , graphics means nothing , you want graphics and content then go play single player games.

  SEANMCAD

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1/25/12 8:53:14 AM#60
Originally posted by SuprGamerX

 Heh , the real question here is  : Don't we have enough real life graphic MMO's with no content / gameplay?

I'm pretty sure the anwser is yes.

Again , what good is your Bugatti if you can't even put on the gas?  They are a great looking car , but not practical for most of the world's population.

 Like graphics on a MMO , what good are they if the majority of the population gets bored and quit within a month due to lack of content?

 Watch Diablo 3 and Torchlight 2 on how many people off the MMO world they're gonna snatch away from all the Devs.  And both games aren't top of the line when it comes to graphics , but both games are bombarded with content and game play to keep players busy for years , which should be the holy grail for any Dev trying to create a kick ass MMO ; CONTENT over meaningless graphics.

 Again and I don't know how many times I'll repeat myself , nothing stops a Dev from releasing a crappy looking game with loads of fun stuff to do , and in the long run improve on graphics.   MMO isn't like a Single player game like Skyrim. Skyrim for example takes about 300 hours to complete in normal circumstances and is quite good for a single playe game. A MMO in the other hand needs content so the game can last well over 10 times of what skyrim had to offer. Now If the Devs put more work into graphics to make it look like skyrim and ditch content , players will leave just as quick as they joined. When it comes to MMO , graphics means nothing , you want graphics and content then go play single player games.

I think the real question is why are we assuming that we have to give up graphics for good game play? Why cant we have both? when we all step back a moment and get out of our tunnel vision we might notice this entire conversion is ridiculous

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