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  Kaneth

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Joined: 8/19/07
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1/24/12 3:48:52 PM#41
Originally posted by bartoni33
Originally posted by Teala

I have absolutely no horse (or panda) in this race but let me tell you why SOME people are pissed.

It all started as an April Fools Joke. It's as simple as that. It was a joke race. Not to be taken seriously. At all. Like ALL AFJ are. You were meant to be pissed at this.

BUT the W3 kiddies (read: children and immature adults) took it serious. Then Blizz took it serious. Now we have this. I work with about 10 people that play WoW. The ones wanting the pandas and the ones not wanting them can be guessed just by 1: their age and 2: maturity level. I'll just say that the pro-pandas also like My Little Pony and play Pokemon games on their DS during lunch.

THAT is the issue. The more mature players do not want WoW to become even more childish. Kung-fu pandas ARE childish, sorry but it's true.

tl;dr IT WAS A APRIL FOOLS JOKE NOT MEANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY!

I play WoW, I don't mind the Pandas. I am 34, I don't play Pokemon or watch My Little Pony. I don't find Pandas to be any more or less childish than pretty much anything else in the game. Teala's posted picture says it all. Any one of those other "childish" races should have created an outrage. Although, the Draenei have often been jokingly called Protoss, but they are still tolerated.

It was an April Fool's joke, but Blizzard ran with it. If you have been paying attention over the past 7 years, a large number of people have asked for Pandaren to be added to the game, either as horde or alliance, and in each of those threads there was an equal amount of folks who didn't care or didn't want them.

My take is that Pandaren were added because they have been a somewhat polarizing subject in previous discussions. People seemingly either love or hate them, at least those who are vocal. What better marketing tool than one that generates extremely strong emotions, either positive or negative? A strong emotional reaction still shows attachment, and creates discussion, which is just free word of mouth advertising.

People will deal with Pandaren, the same way they've dealt with Death Knights and "Huntards".

  bartoni33

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1/24/12 4:00:48 PM#42
Originally posted by Kaneth
Originally posted by bartoni33
Originally posted by Teala

I have absolutely no horse (or panda) in this race but let me tell you why SOME people are pissed.

It all started as an April Fools Joke. It's as simple as that. It was a joke race. Not to be taken seriously. At all. Like ALL AFJ are. You were meant to be pissed at this.

BUT the W3 kiddies (read: children and immature adults) took it serious. Then Blizz took it serious. Now we have this. I work with about 10 people that play WoW. The ones wanting the pandas and the ones not wanting them can be guessed just by 1: their age and 2: maturity level. I'll just say that the pro-pandas also like My Little Pony and play Pokemon games on their DS during lunch.

THAT is the issue. The more mature players do not want WoW to become even more childish. Kung-fu pandas ARE childish, sorry but it's true.

tl;dr IT WAS A APRIL FOOLS JOKE NOT MEANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY!

I play WoW, I don't mind the Pandas. I am 34, I don't play Pokemon or watch My Little Pony. I don't find Pandas to be any more or less childish than pretty much anything else in the game. Teala's posted picture says it all. Any one of those other "childish" races should have created an outrage. Although, the Draenei have often been jokingly called Protoss, but they are still tolerated.

But have the other races had major motion pictures aimed at children come out in the last few years? Again I don't care but my friends that do not like this are telling me that this makes a game that is seen as "childish" even more so now.

It was an April Fool's joke, but Blizzard ran with it. If you have been paying attention over the past 7 years, a large number of people have asked for Pandaren to be added to the game, either as horde or alliance, and in each of those threads there was an equal amount of folks who didn't care or didn't want them.

I agree. Blizz would be silly not to listen to it's fanbase. But they will piss off some of them too.

My take is that Pandaren were added because they have been a somewhat polarizing subject in previous discussions. People seemingly either love or hate them, at least those who are vocal. What better marketing tool than one that generates extremely strong emotions, either positive or negative? A strong emotional reaction still shows attachment, and creates discussion, which is just free word of mouth advertising.

Again I agree but don't be suprised or shocked when people don't want this. Tealas pic was funny and all but their is a legit reason for people not to want this.

People will deal with Pandaren, the same way they've dealt with Death Knights and "Huntards".

Yep some will bitch, others will leave.

 

  FTrunks21

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Joined: 4/10/05
Posts: 22

I will remain a soldier until the war is won.

1/24/12 4:03:09 PM#43

I don't think the pandas coming in the expansion look "cutesy" at all. They don't look fierce, but not cutesy. I don't understand why people keep thinking it's a rip off of kung fu panda. Pandarens and the monk lifestyle have been a part of warcraft and in the lore since warcraft  or wc2 I believe. So in essence, kung fu panda is a rip off of pandarens. If you're going to quit over pandarens coming to WoW, then that says a lot about you when we've had talking cows, undead dead people and wolf people.

  Ausare

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Joined: 3/23/11
Posts: 870

1/24/12 4:04:01 PM#44

Yep some will bitch, others will leave.

 

And some will come. 

  adam_nox

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Joined: 7/31/06
Posts: 2088

1/24/12 4:04:34 PM#45
Originally posted by FTrunks21

Pandarens and the monk lifestyle have been a part of warcraft and in the lore since warcraft  or wc2 I believe.

no.

  DJJazzy

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1/24/12 4:05:47 PM#46

I'll only come back to play if the Pandas are voiced by Jack Black.

  Ausare

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Posts: 870

1/24/12 4:09:49 PM#47

http://pandarens.com/2011/10/more-from-blizzard/

 

Panda lore back in 2003 table top role playing game.

  Tortanic

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Joined: 1/21/12
Posts: 87

1/24/12 4:13:02 PM#48


Originally posted by Ausare
Yep some will bitch, others will leave.
 
And some will come. 


Damn furries...

  Gahnzo

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Joined: 11/07/09
Posts: 52

1/24/12 4:13:22 PM#49
Originally posted by DJJazzy

I'll only come back to play if the Pandas are voiced by Jack Black.

You know I have a feeling that Blizzard would do the same thing with Jack Black as they did with Mr. T. With the Night Elf Mohawk outside of every starting area.

 

  FTrunks21

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Joined: 4/10/05
Posts: 22

I will remain a soldier until the war is won.

1/24/12 4:13:56 PM#50
Originally posted by Ausare

http://pandarens.com/2011/10/more-from-blizzard/

 

Panda lore back in 2003 table top role playing game.

Thank you for posting that. I could have sworn they were mentioned around wc2 but guess not. I know for sure chen was in wc3 though. And there was also pandarens in a hot springs bathing. So this kung fu panda stuff is stupid.

  Amphib_Ian

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1/24/12 4:14:11 PM#51
Originally posted by Teala

that's kinda sorta a stupid argument. if you are looking at this from an outside looking in perspective then i can TOTALLY understand your confusion and query. however, if you were a follower of warcraft from WAY back in 1994 to today then some of these races fit into the lore well and have done so since the beginning.

Try to imagine this from the perspective of an everquest or forgotten realms fan. say you've been playing everquest for decades and it's got the elves and the humans and froglocks and shit. then, out of nowhere news they are like "due to popular demand that we made up and the success of the movie franchise Alvin and the chipmunks we are creating a new patch that takes place in southern california and a new race, the chipmunk, and a new class "cover band member". you'd rage.

if that makes no sense to you then i'll try applying it to dungeons and dragons: originating from the table top pen and paper imagination powered game from 1974,  you got your humans and drow and half-orcs (not really any anthropomorphic animals) and all of a sudden, coming 2012 a brand new expansion that you've been waiting for! introducing the brand new race "Aristocats", wise crackin, jive talkin, music singing felines! you'd ask yourself "what is going on here? who asked for this?"

so warcraft has had the orcs and humans from the start. the orcs came to azeroth via a portal that some old guy opened with demonic guidance and some serious shit went down and then a sequel game was made and you became more familiar with goblins and trolls and elves and ogres and dwarves and the like. then a third game was made that was still well written (a little hammy and campy but it kept you entertained and developed the following to rival star craft) and with it came undeads and night elves with satyres and dryads and such.

so you can imagine when wow was realized the game was jawesome, you went from a bird's eye view of the game world to mouse wheeling all the way into a third person perspective over the shoulder of a dude from your favorite, lore established race doing class jobs vaguely familiar to the RTS. all was good in the world.

Then came the expansions.... suddenly blood elves, the most popular race EVAR. but what could alliance get to maintain the balance?! MOAR humans? boring. half-elves? what is this, D&D? how about space alien goat monsters with top heavy males and well endowed anorexic females that make sex jokes in beta that are removed at launch? BINGO!!!! they lored these holy space demons into the game in a very flemsy way, claiming them to be evolved forms of dudes back on the orc world of drano. whatever.... no one plays alliance anyways so it's all cools.

then came the next expansion.... no new races, best zones in the game, serious shit going down. good expansion (i thought).

then came the NEXT expansion.... all vanilla content is removed and replaced, so leveling up an alt is actually kinda fun again and faster than EVER. but while we are at it lets make those werewolves that lore wise existed since vanilla playable for alliance and goblins (the most requested race) playable for horde (in alpha they were considered to be playable on alliance but changed to gnomes. THE MOAR YOU KNOW ~~~~* ) new talents, new stuff, things were ok cause some people were raging bout the werewolves and the talent/skill changes but people got over it and realized it was better than before. also people raged bout the goats but got over it again cause no one plays alliance and the rest of the xpac made up for stuff.

NOW comes hong kong fooey number one super guy kong fu panda 2: electric boogaloo. it'll be pandamonium they say. they'll be monks they say. they say it is in no way PANDAring to the asian markets. now true they've had panda easter eggs in wc3 and a neutral hero later added and junk. but many found them to more or less be retarded. now, fresh out of ideas, they get their own focused expansion that is the largest stretch of lore since the space goats: coast to coast. tis a sad state of affairs.

lastly it should be noted that in your picture only 3 are actually playable races and the 4rth coming with the expansion. TBH i PERSONALLY would have preffered had they made the Naga playable. or introduced a third neutral faction consisting of naga and ogres and murlocks and wolvarin and gnolls and other lesser races or something.

so don't try to simplify and invalidate other's arguments and reasonings for not liking something that is universally accepted as stupid.

  Ausare

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Joined: 3/23/11
Posts: 870

1/24/12 4:19:59 PM#52

Universally accepted as stupid....guess your universe is smaller than other peoples.  Panda Lore is there...already proven...been around since before World of Warcraft.  But nice post...it was long and stuff.

  FTrunks21

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Joined: 4/10/05
Posts: 22

I will remain a soldier until the war is won.

1/24/12 4:20:53 PM#53
Originally posted by Szasz
Originally posted by Teala

Try to imagine this from the perspective of an everquest or forgotten realms fan. say you've been playing everquest for decades and it's got the elves and the humans and froglocks and shit. then, out of nowhere news they are like "due to popular demand that we made up and the success of the movie franchise Alvin and the chipmunks we are creating a new patch that takes place in southern california and a new race, the chipmunk, and a new class "cover band member". you'd rage.

Problem is, pandarens aren't being introduced because of the success of a movie franchise. They've been asked for long before kung fu panda came out or was probably thought of.

  DarLorkar

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Posts: 589

1/24/12 4:38:36 PM#54

What is kind of dumb, is that WOW would ignore, what has turned into the majority of their player base. You know, Asia.

To the rest, like the people who live and breathe lore, sorry, but you are not even a blip on the map of the total subs.

Lore is what Blizz writes it as and says it is:) And apparently it is Mists of Pandaria.

Only problem i will have with Pandarens, is that i prefer smaller character models. Hopefully we can make a smaller one as well.

Lore has always taken a back seat in games to the fun factor, and the money returns. Can not see where that is any different this time.

  Kaneth

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Joined: 8/19/07
Posts: 1695

1/24/12 4:38:58 PM#55
Originally posted by bartoni33
Originally posted by Kaneth
Originally posted by bartoni33
Originally posted by Teala

I have absolutely no horse (or panda) in this race but let me tell you why SOME people are pissed.

It all started as an April Fools Joke. It's as simple as that. It was a joke race. Not to be taken seriously. At all. Like ALL AFJ are. You were meant to be pissed at this.

BUT the W3 kiddies (read: children and immature adults) took it serious. Then Blizz took it serious. Now we have this. I work with about 10 people that play WoW. The ones wanting the pandas and the ones not wanting them can be guessed just by 1: their age and 2: maturity level. I'll just say that the pro-pandas also like My Little Pony and play Pokemon games on their DS during lunch.

THAT is the issue. The more mature players do not want WoW to become even more childish. Kung-fu pandas ARE childish, sorry but it's true.

tl;dr IT WAS A APRIL FOOLS JOKE NOT MEANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY!

I play WoW, I don't mind the Pandas. I am 34, I don't play Pokemon or watch My Little Pony. I don't find Pandas to be any more or less childish than pretty much anything else in the game. Teala's posted picture says it all. Any one of those other "childish" races should have created an outrage. Although, the Draenei have often been jokingly called Protoss, but they are still tolerated.

But have the other races had major motion pictures aimed at children come out in the last few years? Again I don't care but my friends that do not like this are telling me that this makes a game that is seen as "childish" even more so now.

It was an April Fool's joke, but Blizzard ran with it. If you have been paying attention over the past 7 years, a large number of people have asked for Pandaren to be added to the game, either as horde or alliance, and in each of those threads there was an equal amount of folks who didn't care or didn't want them.

I agree. Blizz would be silly not to listen to it's fanbase. But they will piss off some of them too.

My take is that Pandaren were added because they have been a somewhat polarizing subject in previous discussions. People seemingly either love or hate them, at least those who are vocal. What better marketing tool than one that generates extremely strong emotions, either positive or negative? A strong emotional reaction still shows attachment, and creates discussion, which is just free word of mouth advertising.

Again I agree but don't be suprised or shocked when people don't want this. Tealas pic was funny and all but their is a legit reason for people not to want this.

People will deal with Pandaren, the same way they've dealt with Death Knights and "Huntards".

Yep some will bitch, others will leave.

 

Kung-Fu panda post dates Pandaren in WarCraft "lore". Also, for those not in the know on the posted picture, bottom row second from the right labled "bird thing". The Skettis race along with their crystals in many of the Skettis areas are an apparent spoof of "The Dark Crystal" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Crystal. The Skettis bear a very close resemblence to the Skeksis from that movie. It was a childrens movie, but yet the Skettis aren't viewed as childish. Granted, the movie came out 30 years ago now.

Bottom line is that the Kung-Fu Panda references won't stop (and I bet there are quests in MoP that will reference the movies), but the Pandaren aren't a rip off of that. Those arguments show ignorance of the Pandaren history from April Fool's joke to being placed within the universe due to their popularity.

  Painlezz

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1/24/12 4:47:26 PM#56

This is nothing more than MMORPG.com WoW hate community bashing WoW yet again.

 

Like someone posted above and many others have pointed out, it's just another race that has been in many MANY other games and even movies.  King-fu panda is a damn movie isn't it? 

If you don't like the damn game, don't play it.  If you want to be a zombie man warrior, play undead.  Kill yourself some of those panda's you hate so much. 

If you ask me, the only thing you should really be upset about is the new class.  It looks pretty boring to me.  I would like to see more unique classes like the Bonedancer (i think?) or the necro (again not sure if names are correct) from DOAC.  One would spawn multiple different pets to run around with and the other actually PLAYED as his pet (all spells were cast/used by the pet and the actual player would just fly around as a ghost or something)

So far, we have standard classes with ability icons that do damage...

  nariusseldon

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1/24/12 6:29:00 PM#57

I enjoyed BOTH kung fu panda movie quite a bit and see nothing wrong if WOW has a oriental bent, panda focused continent. Heck, i have the kung fu panda pet and i like it quite a bit.

As for LFR, i actually quit WOW and came back for it and it is a much better game now. None of this nonsense about commiting hours and hours of raid time if you want to see the end boss.

  Cameo3

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1/24/12 6:35:06 PM#58


Originally posted by nariusseldon
None of this nonsense about commiting hours and hours of raid time if you want to see the end boss.

Which is epic. No one should be able to consider themselves "elite" or "above the rest" when pandabears come out...everything will be too dumbed down. Now I'm not saying the game wont be fun, but it'll be extremely watered down that if anyone even mutters a word about being good at the game or elite they will be laughed at until logout. :)

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  Slampig

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Whatever you do, do NOT speak ill of Asheron's Call 2...

1/24/12 6:36:16 PM#59
Originally posted by Rusty715

I will buy the xpac and play with old friends, level my main to the new cap and maybe level a panda to see what they are like. Anyone who claims to be quitting due to the Panda race has either already quit or never played the game or perhaps they are afraid their buds will make fun of them. Im way past the need to prove how macho I am so why not?

That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!

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1/24/12 6:37:18 PM#60

i don't care that there adding pandas. im not planning on making one. i am definately making a monk though.

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