Originally posted by DeaconX

Here's what you have to realize about Skyrim - you can't go into it with the mentality of 'beating' it.  The game was designed to keep feeding you random small quests, and already features a ridiculous amount of content.

A friend of mine feels as you do, OP, and it actually turned him away from the game because he couldn't seem to clear his quest log.

Personally, I don't think this is a fault of the game.

I can't say that it is the fault of your friend, too. He may have been used to current gaming genres.

I was lucky that my first games were Counter-Strike, Battle Realms, and Morrowind. YUP. Those were my first games ever. That's why I'm used to Bethesda's games.

Originally posted by kashiegamer

I can't say that it is the fault of your friend, too. He may have been used to current gaming genres.

I was lucky that my first games were Counter-Strike, Battle Realms, and Morrowind. YUP. Those were my first games ever. That's why I'm used to Bethesda's games.

And still you missed Bethesdas masterpiece: Daggerfall. It turned the elder scrolls from a combat arena into the RPG series it is today and is still the worlds largest RPG game ever made. It was in fact so massive that very few people indeed saw the whole game.

Of course it also had zillions (well, at least hundreds) random and semi random dungeons that at time was annoying but it was a masterpiece when it came out and you can still see alot from it in Skyrim.

Daggerfall is together with Biowares Neverwinter nights the only RPGs i would give a 10/10 (I think I played around 5 10/10 games altogether).

To add onto what I posted earlier, what's unfortunate with the intent of this thread is the state of gaming in RPGs today, SPRPG or MMORPG.  What's unfortunate here is that there's players who simply cannot fathom what to do without a big, flashing, punctuation mark telling them where to go, and the game telling them exactly what they must do at all times.

Goodness gracious ladies and gentlemen, you put a little kid in the middle of Disneyland and tell them to go play, and if they're a normal kid, they will go nuts with the possibilities of fun.  Have fun keeping track of them.

Where is the sense of wonder and exploration?  Where is that drive to discover things on your own and doing whatever you want when a game actually tries to let you do so?

Jeez...

Again, don't let Themepark game designers lead you all by the nose again.  You guys complain that game worlds are small?  It's because the designers have it in mind that you won't stray from the trail of crumbs they've laid in front of you.

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Originally posted by kareem12345
Anyone else that plays skyrim find them selves so overwhelmed with what to do that you dont know where to start? =/

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Follow the main quest. Listen to the people around you.
What would your character do?

I'm going to get slated for this, but i just tried playing it a bit more just now.

I really can't get into it, feels so bland, i don't want to even touch any quests as they are fed-ex ones and i don't have the benefit of having other players around me.

I can't even take a piss without a guard bitchslapping me dead either.

Maybe this is it, have i really reached the stage where i can only play MMORPGs? I haven't touch another type of game for any long period for years.... damn :(

Originally posted by Warmaker

To add onto what I posted earlier, what's unfortunate with the intent of this thread is the state of gaming in RPGs today, SPRPG or MMORPG.  What's unfortunate here is that there's players who simply cannot fathom what to do without a big, flashing, punctuation mark telling them where to go, and the game telling them exactly what they must do at all times.

Goodness gracious ladies and gentlemen, you put a little kid in the middle of Disneyland and tell them to go play, and if they're a normal kid, they will go nuts with the possibilities of fun.  Have fun keeping track of them.

Where is the sense of wonder and exploration?  Where is that drive to discover things on your own and doing whatever you want when a game actually tries to let you do so?

Jeez...

Again, don't let Themepark game designers lead you all by the nose again.  You guys complain that game worlds are small?  It's because the designers have it in mind that you won't stray from the trail of crumbs they've laid in front of you.

Very well put

;)

Besides, there are so many markers to follow, how could you get lost? Pick a place and say to yourself, "I feel like doing this today...."

Originally posted by Vegetto

I'm going to get slated for this, but i just tried playing it a bit more just now.

I really can't get into it, feels so bland, i don't want to even touch any quests as they are fed-ex ones and i don't have the benefit of having other players around me.

I can't even take a piss without a guard bitchslapping me dead either.

Maybe this is it, have i really reached the stage where i can only play MMORPGs? I haven't touch another type of game for any long period for years.... damn :(

Huh?

1 - Bland? Compared to MMOs? You think Skyrim feels "bland"?

2 - You can't take a piss in real life (in public) without getting bitchslapped. So don't take one in public in the game. I realise you do not literally mean "take a piss", but what in the hell do you think should happen if you do something illegal or wrong in Skyrim? (I'm assuming here that you meant doing anything illegail...hence the whole "take a piss" thing. Am I wrong?)

3 - I am at the opposite point. I cannot play MMOs these days after the first couple of weeks. They are the bland spot in gaming to me.

Got bored with it after I got 4 armor parts enchanted with 25% energy cost reduction for destruction magic.. playing it now feels like a joke and I'm somewhere in the middle of the main story. Don't know when I'll finish it.

Originally posted by CookieTime

Got bored with it after I got 4 armor parts enchanted with 25% energy cost reduction for destruction magic.. playing it now feels like a joke and I'm somewhere in the middle of the main story. Don't know when I'll finish it.

I think getting 25% reduction on each piece is a very high achievement(i have it as well for one of my char's), and your enchanting must be uber high to do so, meaning you either have been playing for quite some time now, or you cheated and exploited to get enchanting that high. If scenario 1 is right, then i'm sorry it lost appeal. if scenario 2 is right, then you broke the game yourself, by cheating it.

Originally posted by GTwander

The only overwhelming part is how thick my quest journal can get.

My habit is to avoid the main quest completely til I do basically everything else, maybe a mistake in this one, but usually the right idea in other TES games. To keep it simple, I always just visit a town, get all the quests, and then clear them before moving on... but there is usually a couple en route to the locations to pick up as well. Riften alone cluttered it to high hell.

I usually do what you do, everyting else and then start the main quest. Heck, I'm about to lvl 59 and I've just barely started the main quest.

As far as the OP's question regarding too much to do and  being overwhwelmed? well, I think that is stems from how one approaches one of these games.

If one approaches these games as a "I have to do everything" or "I have to see where the game sends me" then yes it can be overwhelming. If one just decides his/her role in these games and just plays toward that then it should all come pretty easily.

That's the role play part. Adopting an attitude, adopting who you are and then being it.

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Originally posted by Kinchyle

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Originally posted by Vegetto
I'm going to get slated for this, but i just tried playing it a bit more just now.
I really can't get into it, feels so bland, i don't want to even touch any quests as they are fed-ex ones and i don't have the benefit of having other players around me.
I can't even take a piss without a guard bitchslapping me dead either.
Maybe this is it, have i really reached the stage where i can only play MMORPGs? I haven't touch another type of game for any long period for years.... damn :(

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Huh?
1 - Bland? Compared to MMOs? You think Skyrim feels "bland"?
2 - You can't take a piss in real life (in public) without getting bitchslapped. So don't take one in public in the game. I realise you do not literally mean "take a piss", but what in the hell do you think should happen if you do something illegal or wrong in Skyrim? (I'm assuming here that you meant doing anything illegail...hence the whole "take a piss" thing. Am I wrong?)
3 - I am at the opposite point. I cannot play MMOs these days after the first couple of weeks. They are the bland spot in gaming to me.

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It felt like the freedom was actually reduced. As any freedom i could take advantage of, was stopped by guards, i could flee, but sooner or later, i would get owned for literally stealing a bag of flour by accident.

when i say bland, i mean soulless. In that, i just ride to each town, do the quests, on my own, listen to some guy tell me about some big battle that i'm not involved min, ride another hour to the next town and talk to them. Felt like polished MMO fayre, but without the people.

I am well aware how popular this game is, in fact its best game ever or something, but for some reason i cannot get into it. I'm happy to make my own way and my own freedom, but for what? What is the end purpose in this game? Whats the gold for? Why do i need to craft? Why am i going to this town? Why does this guy want me to find him some iron for his crafting.

So all i'll say is, like SWTOR, it feels a very polished RPG, which is it's purpose, but again like SWTOR and what it's critics say....i need more.

I actually don't give a crap about NPCs anymore, or quests, i don't need arsing quests, i don't need anything...just tools, a lovely world and other people to do stuff with. And yet, no game in the last couple of years has managed not to fuck this up.

I'll try Skyrim again in a few days as i admit, it took me a bit to get into DragonAge and to a lesser extent Mass Effect. I'm just hooked on the MMO thing now, just feels the way forward. Which i hate, as it means i have some bleak years ahead :/

Originally posted by Toxia

Originally posted by CookieTime

Got bored with it after I got 4 armor parts enchanted with 25% energy cost reduction for destruction magic.. playing it now feels like a joke and I'm somewhere in the middle of the main story. Don't know when I'll finish it.

I think getting 25% reduction on each piece is a very high achievement(i have it as well for one of my char's), and your enchanting must be uber high to do so, meaning you either have been playing for quite some time now, or you cheated and exploited to get enchanting that high. If scenario 1 is right, then i'm sorry it lost appeal. if scenario 2 is right, then you broke the game yourself, by cheating it.

Nah I never cheat. I just used most of my money for the enchanting skills. But it's kinda my own fault though.. could've expected that:)

Skyrim was a dissapointment to me.Tthere really arent that many quests as you think. Plus there are some quests that are infinite like the bounty ones you get from the jarls.  I believe Skyrim has less quests than Oblivion.  This game feels as if it is Fallout NV with different textures.  A couple cities in the game are ghost towns and only have 1-2 quests in them, and yes I have checked to make sure. 

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Originally posted by kareem12345
Anyone else that plays skyrim find them selves so overwhelmed with what to do that you dont know where to start? =/

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Ye that's a feeling you get when you play sandbox like game. But its not bad when you get used to it. It's like being born again, but in an adult body, i think its a pretty weird feeling.

My advise is; even if you probably stop reading this thread:
Just make the character you want, and ask yourself what kind of personality you want him to have. That will make you focus on what to do and what to avoid doing with him. If you play it like just a game without role play background it will feel just totally silly, you'll help a kid in the street and one hour later kill his parents, and you'll be "wtf is this game about"?

Originally posted by Theonenoni

Skyrim was a dissapointment to me.Tthere really arent that many quests as you think. Plus there are some quests that are infinite like the bounty ones you get from the jarls.  I believe Skyrim has less quests than Oblivion.  This game feels as if it is Fallout NV with different textures.  A couple cities in the game are ghost towns and only have 1-2 quests in them, and yes I have checked to make sure. 

The highlighted red is a total contradiction, dontcha think?

And to the green- You really didn't look hard enough. Every town has at LEAST 6 SIDE quests. most have upwards of 10 or 20. This is just MISC side quests. Here is a Link supporting just how many quests skyrim has. The number is very high.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Quests

As to the relevance to Fallout:NV, you must have been joking. surely, you jest. Or Troll, whichever you like more.

Originally posted by kareem12345

Anyone else that plays skyrim find them selves so overwhelmed with what to do that you dont know where to start? =/

Skyrim is what MMORPGs are suppose to be only with other players.

Originally posted by Toxia

Originally posted by Theonenoni

Skyrim was a dissapointment to me.Tthere really arent that many quests as you think. Plus there are some quests that are infinite like the bounty ones you get from the jarls.  I believe Skyrim has less quests than Oblivion.  This game feels as if it is Fallout NV with different textures.  A couple cities in the game are ghost towns and only have 1-2 quests in them, and yes I have checked to make sure. 

The highlighted red is a total contradiction, dontcha think?

 

And to the green- You really didn't look hard enough. Every town has at LEAST 6 SIDE quests. most have upwards of 10 or 20. This is just MISC side quests. Here is a Link supporting just how many quests skyrim has. The number is very high.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Quests

 

As to the relevance to Fallout:NV, you must have been joking. surely, you jest. Or Troll, whichever you like more.

Ye  i think pretty much every single npc is linked to a quest, but whatever. I also found the game packed with content, i found the map to be a bit too small. But since its a single player game, and probaly 75% of the content won't interest you, i still have to do any warrior like quest for ex, you still go around the game pretty fast. The should release new maps.

Originally posted by Orizontas

If Skyrim was an MMO...

...everyone would whine at how tiny the world is for a mmorpg :)

Skyrim is one of the best games I've played in years, across all genres and platforms, and my only complaint is the world size, or well, not a complaint but I'm not impressed by it considering my expectations. It feels like it's HUGE untill you travel from one city to another which seems like a week long joyrney on the map but takes two minutes in game. It fits for Skyrim though, the world is so packed that there are no "boring" places, there's something to do everywhere which I like a lot more than HUU-U-UUGE world with 90% of it being boring empty filler land.

Anyway, considering everything, Skyrim is perhaps one of the best games of all times for me 9/10!

Originally posted by Requiamer

Originally posted by Toxia

Originally posted by Theonenoni

Skyrim was a dissapointment to me.Tthere really arent that many quests as you think. Plus there are some quests that are infinite like the bounty ones you get from the jarls.  I believe Skyrim has less quests than Oblivion.  This game feels as if it is Fallout NV with different textures.  A couple cities in the game are ghost towns and only have 1-2 quests in them, and yes I have checked to make sure. 

The highlighted red is a total contradiction, dontcha think?

 

And to the green- You really didn't look hard enough. Every town has at LEAST 6 SIDE quests. most have upwards of 10 or 20. This is just MISC side quests. Here is a Link supporting just how many quests skyrim has. The number is very high.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Quests

 

As to the relevance to Fallout:NV, you must have been joking. surely, you jest. Or Troll, whichever you like more.

Ye  i think pretty much every single npc is linked to a quest, but whatever. I also found the game packed with content, i found the map to be a bit too small. But since its a single player game, and probaly 75% of the content won't interest you, i still have to do any warrior like quest for ex, you still go around the game pretty fast. The should release new maps.

I personally don't fast travel much, unless it's a quest i'm really into and would like to see moved forward faster, so the map just feels obscenly huge to me, and packed with so much to explore in between ^_^. I have been through most of the area's(i think) on my main character, and when i look at the map, i can't even begin to count how many symbols i see everywhere lol. i have done all the main quests and compainion/theif/dark bro/etc quests, and i can say i definetely want to see more of Tamriel! This is the first TES game for me, so it's definetely on my wishlist for them to make more area's available

I havent played Skyrim despice the fact i couldnt wait for it. After of just 1-2 days of playing it i quitted. Im waiting for bethesda tools to arrive so various mods will jump out to make the skyrim morelike to my own tastes. i know for fact at least 2 guys alreasy are working on birthsigns  mods, and anxiusly waiting for an Overhaul aka OOO (oblivion Oscuro overhaul) that will mix the strenght of mobs making most of the fights intresting instead of having them in 2 categories normal (very easy even on master difficulty) and bosses huge life loads of dmg . Thats the biggest letdowns.

As for quests with so many modders around im sure entire continents will jump out once tools arrive.