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  sgel

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I've got this creature on my back.. it just wont let go.

1/21/12 8:44:27 AM#141
Originally posted by Amjoco

  GW2 is in my opinion going to suck up a lot of players from many of the other MMO's due to it being something totally different and being f2p. 

GW2 is not f2p, it's b2p.

How many times does it need to be said?

"This creature softened my heart of stone. She died and with her died my last warm feelings for humanity." - Joseph Stalin

  Alot

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Minister of Propaganda for GW2 Fascist-Capitalist Party

1/21/12 8:52:43 AM#142
Originally posted by sgel
Originally posted by Amjoco

  GW2 is in my opinion going to suck up a lot of players from many of the other MMO's due to it being something totally different and being f2p. 

GW2 is not f2p, it's b2p.

How many times does it need to be said?

12.7 times a day. 

  Fdzzaigl

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1/21/12 9:00:41 AM#143

I'd bet you'd see a similar decline followed by a gradual stabilisation at a new population level for any subscription MMO out there.

I don't think anyone expected them to keep on to all people after the first month.

  sanosukex

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1/21/12 9:30:06 AM#144
Originally posted by DeaconX

{mod edit}

LOL good one!

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html

  Sukiyaki

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1/21/12 9:48:32 AM#145

You know... just on a sidenote

 

some of the WoW fanbois here jumping on the hate train insisting the "playtime" graphs on xfire equal "population" trends, should be very cautious of what kind of nonsensical speculation about "massive losses" they support and hype.

Just noticed WoW (with currently 73.522h) just dropped below SWToRs on its record three weeks ago (with 80.742h on Jan 02) and also the day before. WoW lost a quarter of accumulated hours since beginning of the first month.

And WoW currently just has twice the number of xfire player and not even twice the number of accumulated played hours left compared to SWToR.

 

Oh wait. I forgot the same guys here pounding on xfire would happily dismiss it without a whim 5minutes later in another post...

  Metentso

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1/21/12 9:49:54 AM#146

Seems there starts to be a discrepancy. Arena hardly showed any difference after first payment, while xFire use decresed a lot.

  spizz

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1/21/12 9:58:39 AM#147

This is a another webpage with graphs taken from swtor servers

 

http://www.torstatus.net/shards/eu/trends

http://www.torstatus.net/shards/us/trends

  Gibbonici

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1/21/12 9:59:30 AM#148
Originally posted by mgilbrtsn

Made up graph, correct graph makes no difference to the overall fact.  SWTOR numbers have declined.  I don't need all these fandangeled graphs, and xfire and what not.  I know it because it's just plain common sense.  A game comes out, it is very hyped and everyone rushes to buy.  All these hyped MMO'ers play and a natural selection process begins where it weeds out the uninformed, the over enthusiastic, and the simple 'meh, its not for me'.  A natural evolutionary process that all games go through.   Yes, Yes, lets bring up WoW.  I would submit that's an outlier and not part of the norm.

That pretty much sums it up. We see it with every game that's come out lately and for some reason it's DOOOM groundhog day every time it happens.

 

Over time people will leave, people will stay and people will join. Things will get fixed, things will get added and things will get broken and nerfed. There will be drama and outrage along the way and they'll be excitement and pleasure. In short, TOR's lifecycle will be perfectly normal.

  illorion

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1/21/12 10:10:22 AM#149
Originally posted by sgel
Originally posted by Amjoco

  GW2 is in my opinion going to suck up a lot of players from many of the other MMO's due to it being something totally different and being f2p. 

GW2 is not f2p, it's b2p.

How many times does it need to be said?

Probably as often as that point needs to be countered I supposed.

I don't know about all of you... but i certainly DO NOT have the time to invest into two different MMO's. When I played WoW thats all I played was WoW. When I played Darkfall that was all I played was darkfall.

So even thought SWTOR and GW2 are two different payment models it has no bearing on whether or no GW2 will affect subs... because it most certainly will.

I know that if I was still playing SWTOR when GW2 came out and GW2 was obviously better than SWTOR (which it will be IMO but we just have to wait and see) than I would definatly stop play SWTOR and go to GW2... because I have a job and  life. I only have to time to invest in one MMO.

Edit: Plus MMO's have become like sports... people pick a team and stick with them

"Don't mistake a fun game for a good game... Checkers is fun to play but its not exactly the highest point of gaming design... and definatly not worth $60 plus $15 a month"

  smh_alot

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1/21/12 10:11:31 AM#150
Originally posted by spizz

This is a another webpage with graphs taken from swtor servers

 

http://www.torstatus.net/shards/eu/trends

http://www.torstatus.net/shards/us/trends

 

From the owner of that site you linked:

"accumulated population index has nothing to do with the number of players!" -_-


Seems like the creators of those charts on both sites are more knowledgeable in the data they collect than most people linking to it >.>



... then again, when people keep posting flawed or incorrect information, it leads to reason that people like that have another agenda than just posting objective data.


As for the charts, server load status has changed over the weeks, if 2000-2500 registered as 'full' a couple of weeks ago, the same amount'll register as 'heavy' or 'very heavy' now.

Besides that, server status doesn't mean the same for all servers: 'full' on 1 server can be 'very heavy' on another with the same number of players.
  spizz

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1/21/12 10:13:13 AM#151

This is interesting, most decline of players are actually on pvp servers...its understandable.

 

hthttp://www.torstatus.net/shards/us/stats

http://www.torstatus.net/shards/eu/stats

  Hrica

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"Yesterday is history, Tomorrow a mystery, and today is a gift"

1/21/12 10:15:11 AM#152

keep feeding him his granola

  smh_alot

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1/21/12 10:20:41 AM#153
Originally posted by illorion

I know that if I was still playing SWTOR when GW2 came out and GW2 was obviously better than SWTOR (which it will be IMO but we just have to wait and see) than I would definatly stop play SWTOR and go to GW2... because I have a job and  life. I only have to time to invest in one MMO.

Edit: Plus MMO's have become like sports... people pick a team and stick with them

 

Maybe to some people that's true, you certainly see the same fanatical devotion with some people when it comes to having chosen a sports team they're fan of, with the same bashing on other sports teams that such devoted sports fans do.


However, there are also a lot of people that treat it differently, who for example just like baseball or football in general, with many some teams they favor more but not in a way that they can't enjoy the games of other sports teams as well.


Personally, I like it when I can vary between games, instead of spending 100% of my MMO time on 1 MMO, I divide it by spending like 60% of my MMO time on my main, and 40% on a second one, or maybe 10% of that on a third when I'm in the mood. That's what I liked of GW. Even when I was playing other MMO's, I could hop into GW whenever I felt like it without having to make a fulltime 100% MMO commitment. Now, with other MMO's having gone F2P or fremium, that is even more possible.


But hey, each person is different in that, some MMO gamers indeed treat their MMO gaming monogamousmly where they only pick 1 MMO and stick with it disregarding all others or treat it like a fulltime project commitment
  smh_alot

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1/21/12 10:26:04 AM#154
Originally posted by spizz

This is interesting, most decline of players are actually on pvp servers...its understandable.

 

hthttp://www.torstatus.net/shards/us/stats

http://www.torstatus.net/shards/eu/stats

 

Keep linking the false information, pal, it doesn't make it any more true :)

the chart creator himself alrdy said that his graphs aren't about player numbers, it's funny how you link his info for your own agenda while ignoring what he himself has to say about it.
  illorion

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1/21/12 10:28:28 AM#155
Originally posted by smh_alot
Originally posted by illorion

I know that if I was still playing SWTOR when GW2 came out and GW2 was obviously better than SWTOR (which it will be IMO but we just have to wait and see) than I would definatly stop play SWTOR and go to GW2... because I have a job and  life. I only have to time to invest in one MMO.

Edit: Plus MMO's have become like sports... people pick a team and stick with them

 

Maybe to some people that's true, you certainly see the same fanatical devotion with some people when it comes to having chosen a sports team they're fan of, with the same bashing on other sports teams that such devoted sports fans do.

 


However, there are also a lot of people that treat it differently, who for example just like baseball or football in general, with many some teams they favor more but not in a way that they can't enjoy the games of other sports teams as well.

 


Personally, I like it when I can vary between games, instead of spending 100% of my MMO time on 1 MMO, I divide it by spending like 60% of my MMO time on my main, and 40% on a second one, or maybe 10% of that on a third when I'm in the mood. That's what I liked of GW. Even when I was playing other MMO's, I could hop into GW whenever I felt like it without having to make a fulltime 100% MMO commitment. Now, with other MMO's having gone F2P or fremium, that is even more possible.

 


But hey, each person is different in that, some MMO gamers indeed treat their MMO gaming monogamousmly where they only pick 1 MMO and stick with it disregarding all others or treat it like a fulltime project commitment

I agree with you... there are people that like to play serveral MMO's at once... but there are also alot of people who only have time for one. Alot of the time its becasue they want to experience everything a game has to offer.

If you only have 4 hours or so on average to play a day... and you only spend half of that time in WoW and the other half else where... then you will probably never have experienced end game because, lets face it, it takes a hell of alot more than two hours to play any sort of end game.

However, Im sure there are a HUGE number of players that feel as you do. However, to say that GW2 will not affect SWTOR... or any other P2P games... is just naive

"Don't mistake a fun game for a good game... Checkers is fun to play but its not exactly the highest point of gaming design... and definatly not worth $60 plus $15 a month"

  Hrica

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1/21/12 10:33:57 AM#156
Originally posted by Slowdoves

I can make graphs!


BAHAHAHHAHAHAH    thanks bro, you made my day

  smh_alot

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1/21/12 10:39:11 AM#157
Originally posted by illorion

If you only have 4 hours or so on average to play a day... and you only spend half of that time in WoW and the other half else where... then you will probably never have experienced end game because, lets face it, it takes a hell of alot more than two hours to play any sort of end game.

However, Im sure there are a HUGE number of players that feel as you do. However, to say that GW2 will not affect SWTOR... or any other P2P games... is just naive

 

I don't fully agree. Of course, when a game or expansion launches or a content update, then there's enough to grab your full available MMO time to keep busy, however after a while you reach a point where you have seen a lot of the content you were interested in, and based on your interests often no fulltime commitment is required anymore. For example, if you're not a hardcore raider, then you don't have to be raiding every day that you play, but it can still be the case that you want to hang around with guildies and friends ingame. In those low times, it's very possible to spend MMO time on other MMO's without fully abandoning your guild and friends in your current main MMO you're playing.


You won't ever hear me saying that GW2 won't have an impact on player activity in other MMO's. However, there are 2 considerations that play a role, time and money. GW2 in contrast to other P2P MMO's makes it possible to stay subbed to a P2P MMO even if the time people'll be in there will be 10-20% of the usual, where as when it's about a P2P MMO many people who don't want to maintain 2 subs, will have to consider to drop the one that they would be playing less for a few months.
  spizz

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1/21/12 10:41:51 AM#158
Originally posted by smh_alot
Originally posted by spizz

This is interesting, most decline of players are actually on pvp servers...its understandable.

 

hthttp://www.torstatus.net/shards/us/stats

http://www.torstatus.net/shards/eu/stats

 

Keep linking the false information, pal, it doesn't make it any more true :)

 

the chart creator himself alrdy said that his graphs aren't about player numbers, it's funny how you link his info for your own agenda while ignoring what he himself has to say about it.

You dont need graphs or statistics, its just normal that after a free month a part of the player unsubscribe. Nobody claims that these graphs are correct, but they show a trend which you know without any statistics anyway

  User Deleted
1/21/12 10:48:37 AM#159
Originally posted by spizz

This is a another webpage with graphs taken from swtor servers

 

http://www.torstatus.net/shards/eu/trends

http://www.torstatus.net/shards/us/trends

Yet, they also follow the same method of measurement as swtorarena.  They use population loads for servers, not actual population figures.

  User Deleted
1/21/12 10:51:14 AM#160
Originally posted by spizz
Originally posted by smh_alot
Originally posted by spizz

This is interesting, most decline of players are actually on pvp servers...its understandable.

 

hthttp://www.torstatus.net/shards/us/stats

http://www.torstatus.net/shards/eu/stats

 

Keep linking the false information, pal, it doesn't make it any more true :)

 

the chart creator himself alrdy said that his graphs aren't about player numbers, it's funny how you link his info for your own agenda while ignoring what he himself has to say about it.

You dont need graphs or statistics, its just normal that after a free month a part of the player unsubscribe. Nobody claims that these graphs are correct, but they show a trend which you know without any statistics anyway

They show server load trends, not actual population trends.  Thus, what you are trying to claim by showing them is completely dishonest and makes your agenda crystal clear.

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