Is shm_alot MMO.Maverick's new account or something?

Originally posted by SpottyGekko

Isn't that pretty much what "everyone" was saying about SWTOR during development ? ;)

during development? people were praising SWToR after the open beta, right when for many of us the writing was all over the wall, it was a disaster. one cannot get more biodrone than that

even those that were ashamed by the quality of the game during the beta and couldnt force themselves to praise it, were excusing it

"its a beta, release will be better"

"everything will be fixed after beta"

"the internal client is 3 builds above ours and thats the one they will use comes release"

so many feet in so many mouths....

SWTOR is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar from being polished. Needs another year.

Originally posted by Sagasaint

Originally posted by SpottyGekko

Isn't that pretty much what "everyone" was saying about SWTOR during development ? ;)

during development? people were praising SWToR after the open beta, right when for many of us the writing was all over the wall, it was a disaster. one cannot get more biodrone than that

 

even those that were ashamed by the quality of the game during the beta and couldnt force themselves to praise it, were excusing it

"its a beta, release will be better"

"everything will be fixed after beta"

"the internal client is 3 builds above ours and thats the one they will use comes release"

 

so many feet in so many mouths....

It seemed pretty split to me. A lot of people said the game wasn't ready. And the ones that did most likely hadn't progressed far enough to play all the content. I was waiting for the high level server to test the end-game, but for whatever reason they didn't follow through with the high level test server (at least not with the "combined" test group, maybe they kept it for internal testing only).

Anyways, the decision to release a game is ultimately up to those creating it. They have their own internal testers and QA team. I'm sure they knew the state of their game long before open beta had finished.

Originally posted by smh_alot

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Zlayer77

More good News I see....

We really need this one to FAIL, so the dam developers stop making these Clone games.. Dont know about the rest of you, but im not forking up a monthly subscription for a game, when I can pay a one time fee for skyrim and have as much fun..

Mouse wheel games, gear grind bla bla bla.. Those who have tried this before Raise your HAND!...when will developers learn that people are tired of this crap..

 

 

Nonsense. What we need is people on this site here getting a life, stop dramaqueening as some chick on permanent PMS, and get some common sense and objective perspective.

 

If people don't like themepark MMO's bc they've been so stupid that they've burnt themselves out on them by overplaying them for years or bc they never liked them, then simply move on to a game you do like to play, or wait for 1 of those.

 

Christ, some people... the amount of disgruntled whining on this site by supposedly grown up people is embarassing sometimes -_-

Oh wow.... I love you. You can't see me but I'm standing up clapping! I would have said this, but I'm getting reported and banned a lot lately so I'm a little hesitant to give an opinion anymore. 

Thanks

Originally posted by SpottyGekko

EA/BW are probably in an awkward position right now, lol

 

I'll bet that they wish they could get all the "first month whiners" off their forums. Once the free 30 days runs out, they won't be able to post on the official forums anymore.

 

BUT, EA/BW need the subs, so they'll actually have to try to keep as many players as they possibly can, including the whiners, which means the forums will continue to suffer.

 

Caught between a rock and a hard place ?

I really don't think they are. I think they're just fine. You have to understand that people on this site and  the main forums love to Sensationalize everything to serve their puposes. I haven't seen one game on this site that everyone loves and at least 10 people haven't said is going to "fail". Most of the fail post are just after the game comes out. 

There are plenty of people playing the game right now who don't feel the need to forum troll and are having a good time. The only reason I'm on here and not playing is that my company pays me to sit in an office. If not, I'd be playing..lol.

If there is one good thing about this, it has temporarily slowed the WoW is going to fail because of TOR post ..ROFL

Originally posted by potapithikos

Is shm_alot MMO.Maverick's new account or something?

LMAO, now that you mention it, it DOES sound exactly like him.

You know... that "you guys are jaded themeparks are still great" phrase he always love to throw around.

Originally posted by Sagasaint

Originally posted by SpottyGekko

Isn't that pretty much what "everyone" was saying about SWTOR during development ? ;)

during development? people were praising SWToR after the open beta, right when for many of us the writing was all over the wall, it was a disaster. one cannot get more biodrone than that

 

even those that were ashamed by the quality of the game during the beta and couldnt force themselves to praise it, were excusing it

"its a beta, release will be better"

"everything will be fixed after beta"

"the internal client is 3 builds above ours and thats the one they will use comes release"

 

so many feet in so many mouths....

Don't forget about "200 hours of story per class" "Stunning open world PVP with objectives and territorial control"

Or crafting.. lol oh boy.

Or the same 5 screenshots in high rez copy pasted 500 times on this forums while trying to defend the outdated graphics.

yea, I ...well a lot of us was scared when EA got in with Bioware & Lucasarts.

Look what EA did to WAR, that game had some much potential...

If EA totally lets the ball drop on this..I will ship them a flat rate priority box (medium) full of my dog's poop to their Corp. Office.

Originally posted by brutality123

""Specifically, initial sales appear to be below expectations"

quote from the link.

 

OMG  just how many intial sales were they expecting?  I'm not saying that the game is perfect. I'm just saying that initial sales of the game were not bad

You have to understand the financials behind game production.

Example

You go to a lender to borrow $100 you say I project to sell 1000 cogs at $1 each and your return on investment wll be 30% of the profit.

The investor is expecting to get back $300 for the $100 they invest because that's what you told them.

 Instead you only sell 500 cogs at $1 each, instead of 3x return you are only getting 1.5x return.

As a gamer you may consider that a success woowoo they made money.

As an investor willing to lend  money in a VERY tight lenders market this is a total and complete fail of expectations.

EA ( Bioware ) did not meet investor OR developer expectations by a long shot.

Therefore come time to get investor capital for the next expansion of the next game investors will be even harder to find.

Now look at rift, rift came in triple projected return on investment, and hence they have already been given 85 million from happy investors, +another 100 million from their deal with the syfy channel to develop their next project.

Originally posted by Hrica

yea, I ...well a lot of us was scared when EA got in with Bioware & Lucasarts.

 

Look what EA did to WAR, that game had some much potential...

 

If EA totally lets the ball drop on this..I will ship them a flat rate priority box (medium) full of my dog's poop to their Corp. Office.

I suggest you delete this message when SOPA is passed.

If EA has already banned and removed games from people accounts for speaking the truth on their forums, do you even doubt that  you will end up in a jail for a couple of years if they read this?

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by altair4

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ea-falls-on-broker-concerns-about-star-wars-2012-01-19?siteid=yhoof2

How much did the wall street people expect them to have by now?

I mean they sold plenty of boxes and while the game might not be the next Wow I see no chanses for not EA getting back their investment.

Trion have got in $100M in a year on Rift and I don't see TOR getting in less unless they really screw up or if GW2 totally kills them (which I think is unlikely).

I dunno if I think they will make a great profit on it but they sure wont loose any money at least, and MMOs is a thing that generates money for a long while after it is released.

 Well RIFT cost a bit over $50M to make, TOR cost well over $150M, it's not because Trion is doing great with RIFT that EA is applauding SWTOR. There's no official sub numbers on SWTOR so far, and that means there's little good news to be gotten up till now. They're not out of the woods yet, certainly not with LA taking 35 cents to the dollar.

Originally posted by Cavod

Originally posted by Creslin321

Originally posted by Cavod

Originally posted by Creslin321

Originally posted by Cavod

ROFL!

 

This just in, Todd Mitchell, an ex SW: Galaxies and avid WoW player...

 Yes, I'm sure the fact that he played SW:Galaxies and WoW made EA's stock drop.  Seriously?  This isn't speculation, it actually happened:

http://www.google.com/finance?q=ERTS#

{mod edit}

 Hard to detect sarcasm over text...especially when there are plenty of people on this board that would probably make the argument you made in all seriousness :).

np

 

But in all seriousness, EA's stock has been all over the place over the last year. 

 

I'm sure the drop on the 19th had a lot to do with patch 1.1 being total fail... not the content but how it pretty much made everything work worst.  Traders are a fickle bunch.  If it doesn't go back up within a few days then there's some merit to this little blurb.

 

It's kind of how we're still waiting for the true tell tale signs for SWTOR.  The end of the first month is the first real sign and about 3 months after that will be the real sign of whether or not the game 'failed'.

Well my comments might be moderated but my logic can not.  EA stock already rising back up.

P.S.  Sorry if you were offended by my post, Creslin321.  I wasn't trying to be the "T" word.

Originally posted by altair4

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ea-falls-on-broker-concerns-about-star-wars-2012-01-19?siteid=yhoof2

LMAO!!!!!!  WSJ noob prob just got owned in PvP and wanted to QQ

Originally posted by xBlackBoxX

Originally posted by altair4

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ea-falls-on-broker-concerns-about-star-wars-2012-01-19?siteid=yhoof2

LMAO!!!!!!  WSJ noob prob just got owned in PvP and wanted to QQ

If this is what the SWTOR community is like, no wonder people are leaving...

Originally posted by Fly666monkey

Originally posted by xBlackBoxX

Originally posted by altair4

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ea-falls-on-broker-concerns-about-star-wars-2012-01-19?siteid=yhoof2

LMAO!!!!!!  WSJ noob prob just got owned in PvP and wanted to QQ

If this is what the SWTOR community is like, no wonder people are leaving...

Insults aside, do you really feel there isn't anything suspect about what happened with that broker?

Personally, I think he wanted to dump some EA stock and saw an oppurtunity.

You know, corporate espionage and undermining are very real.  EVERYONE has an agenda, it's just a matter of figuring out what it is.

Originally posted by JoeyMMO

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by altair4

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ea-falls-on-broker-concerns-about-star-wars-2012-01-19?siteid=yhoof2

How much did the wall street people expect them to have by now?

I mean they sold plenty of boxes and while the game might not be the next Wow I see no chanses for not EA getting back their investment.

Trion have got in $100M in a year on Rift and I don't see TOR getting in less unless they really screw up or if GW2 totally kills them (which I think is unlikely).

I dunno if I think they will make a great profit on it but they sure wont loose any money at least, and MMOs is a thing that generates money for a long while after it is released.

 Well RIFT cost a bit over $50M to make, TOR cost well over $150M, it's not because Trion is doing great with RIFT that EA is applauding SWTOR. There's no official sub numbers on SWTOR so far, and that means there's little good news to be gotten up till now. They're not out of the woods yet, certainly not with LA taking 35 cents to the dollar.

You're forgetting the $860 million of stockholder money that EA spent acquiring BioWare specifically to get their hands on this title.  If the game isn't well above 1 million subs and clearly growing at the 3 month mark the stockholders will have John Riccitiello head on a platter, BioWare will be dismantled, and TOR's budget will be slashed to nothing.

Originally posted by Airwren

Originally posted by Pelaaja

Originally posted by EricDanie

Originally posted by brutality123

""Specifically, initial sales appear to be below expectations"

quote from the link.

 

OMG  just how many intial sales were they expecting?  I'm not saying that the game is perfect. I'm just saying that initial sales of the game were not bad

Indeed. He would be right if he mentioned expected subscription retention, but sales?

They want quick cash-in and then steady profit. But the initial buy is important, because it reduces the risks and frees the money to be invested to somewhere else.

Folks should also realize the LucasArts and their investors are going to be watching this as well because LA doesn't make a penny on TOR until EA/Bioware recoup their initial investment costs.  That was part of the licensing deal they struck for the game.  If initial sales are not up to snuff or it doesn't look like the game is going to retain a ton of subs, things are going to get nasty fast between these two, with LA stepping in and making decisions for EA just like they did for SOE.

Couple of flaws with this statement....

1. Lucas gets 1/3 of all money off subs thus they get paid.

2. Lucas gets about 15 bucks per sale up to 3 million units. After that its all EA.

3. Lucas signed a term contract with soe. SWG was unable to sustain a user base of profitability to justify the release of another expansion. Lucas was already planning to pull the plug on SWG in order to drive more to swtor.

4. EA has learned the hard ways how not to run a mmo. Hellgates limited pay options were not enough to sustain the servers. And lack of content issues and realm vs realm issue with Warhammer, have given them enough to know what not to do and hopefully be able to stay ahead of the curve.

5. Lucas art has no investors as it is almost completely own by lucas and spielberg.

This game could be so many things yet I find it funny so many are ready to try and slam it cause its not this or that...Well guess what NO MMO IS PERFECT LAUNCH. Not even 6 months down the road. Wow was plagued in the early days. Eq was just a cluster till about the 9 month mark. And both of them when they added content would fall down ever time. So why is everyone up swtor about these same things...Some of it is just people who are loyal to other games trying to troll, others are just bandwangons who have nothing better to do, and some are just complainers who are never happy...I know I tend to be one of the lader. However I would not begin to judge this title till the 6 month mark, Something brokers should have also done. Nothing tells more about a mmo then the 6 and 12 month mark and how much has been done in that time.

Originally posted by spaceport

Originally posted by Hrica

yea, I ...well a lot of us was scared when EA got in with Bioware & Lucasarts.

 

Look what EA did to WAR, that game had some much potential...

 

If EA totally lets the ball drop on this..I will ship them a flat rate priority box (medium) full of my dog's poop to their Corp. Office.

I suggest you delete this message when SOPA is passed.

If EA has already banned and removed games from people accounts for speaking the truth on their forums, do you even doubt that  you will end up in a jail for a couple of years if they read this?

 Friend, I am not scared of these internet laws that will not pass, heck Reid and some GOP already blocked the vote lol. Also this kind of monitoring would go ahead and stamp The United States as a Communist country, similar to the "Great interntet wall of China" and I don't think we are going Communist...but I have been wrong ..maybe that is the agenda on the hill...scared for my kids when they my age I am.

PS hope this makes sense, havent' had my caffiene yet this morning.

The game just failed on all sorts of levels. This does not look good at all. We could see potential layoffs soon from EA/Bioware to feverishly attempt to make this game profitable.