Originally posted by OkhamsRazor

 I went to get a copy in Game at lunchtime today for my wife . They told me they had sold out every copy they had in stock withing three hours today .50 copys in three hours in one shop . Fortunatly I managed to get one in the local gamespot where they had a couple left .

Peaked dont make me laugh this games nowhere near peaking .

bookmarked

see ya in march, when I'll be bumping this

;)

edit: and for another round of laughs I will bump it again when GW2 releases

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Originally posted by Blackbrrd

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by potapithikos

Everytime people say that Xfire proves nothing.... and so far everytime they have been proven wrong.

 

The world is full of Homer Simpsons.

 I'd like to see that proof. Keep in mind coincidence doesn't constitute proof. You have to proove a direct corellation and causation.

I know a strong trend down on xfire for AoC was because the playerbase was falling. I have been following the game relatively closely, and if you adjust the trends on xfire for xfire campaigns it's a very good _indicator_. I think it's too early to conclude anything for swtor, especially with downtime on both the 18th and 19th.

No, it only indicates within X-fire.  It has no validity outside of X-fire.  This has been discussed far too many times in this thread.

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Blackbrrd

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by potapithikos

Everytime people say that Xfire proves nothing.... and so far everytime they have been proven wrong.

 

The world is full of Homer Simpsons.

 I'd like to see that proof. Keep in mind coincidence doesn't constitute proof. You have to proove a direct corellation and causation.

I know a strong trend down on xfire for AoC was because the playerbase was falling. I have been following the game relatively closely, and if you adjust the trends on xfire for xfire campaigns it's a very good _indicator_. I think it's too early to conclude anything for swtor, especially with downtime on both the 18th and 19th.

No, it only indicates within X-fire.  It has no validity outside of X-fire.  This has been discussed far too many times in this thread.

Be my guest and ignore it then.

Originally posted by Blackbrrd

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Blackbrrd

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by potapithikos

Everytime people say that Xfire proves nothing.... and so far everytime they have been proven wrong.

 

The world is full of Homer Simpsons.

 I'd like to see that proof. Keep in mind coincidence doesn't constitute proof. You have to proove a direct corellation and causation.

I know a strong trend down on xfire for AoC was because the playerbase was falling. I have been following the game relatively closely, and if you adjust the trends on xfire for xfire campaigns it's a very good _indicator_. I think it's too early to conclude anything for swtor, especially with downtime on both the 18th and 19th.

No, it only indicates within X-fire.  It has no validity outside of X-fire.  This has been discussed far too many times in this thread.

Be my guest and ignore it then.

There is no "ignore" on my part.  I'm following proven statistical analysis procedures.  Which proves, by fact, that X-fire statistics used outside of X-fire userbase has no validity.

However, there is "ignore" on your part.  Ignoring these statisical analysis procedures to use X-fire statistics in any way you can to fulfill your own self-serving beliefs.

So, be my guest and ignore the actual facts then.  It doesn't make your position truthful.

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Blackbrrd

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Blackbrrd

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by potapithikos

Everytime people say that Xfire proves nothing.... and so far everytime they have been proven wrong.

 

The world is full of Homer Simpsons.

 I'd like to see that proof. Keep in mind coincidence doesn't constitute proof. You have to proove a direct corellation and causation.

I know a strong trend down on xfire for AoC was because the playerbase was falling. I have been following the game relatively closely, and if you adjust the trends on xfire for xfire campaigns it's a very good _indicator_. I think it's too early to conclude anything for swtor, especially with downtime on both the 18th and 19th.

No, it only indicates within X-fire.  It has no validity outside of X-fire.  This has been discussed far too many times in this thread.

Be my guest and ignore it then.

There is no "ignore" on my part.  I'm following proven statistical analysis procedures.  Which proves, by fact, that X-fire statistics used outside of X-fire userbase has no validity.

However, there is "ignore" on your part.  Ignoring these statisical analysis procedures to use X-fire statistics in any way you can to fulfill your own self-serving beliefs.

So, be my guest and ignore the actual facts then.  It doesn't make your position truthful.

You made your point, and others like you. You don't believe it has validity. Ok, we get it. Now stop disrupting this thread please? So we can disuss trends in xFire? Thanks.

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Blackbrrd

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Blackbrrd

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by potapithikos

Everytime people say that Xfire proves nothing.... and so far everytime they have been proven wrong.

 

The world is full of Homer Simpsons.

 I'd like to see that proof. Keep in mind coincidence doesn't constitute proof. You have to proove a direct corellation and causation.

I know a strong trend down on xfire for AoC was because the playerbase was falling. I have been following the game relatively closely, and if you adjust the trends on xfire for xfire campaigns it's a very good _indicator_. I think it's too early to conclude anything for swtor, especially with downtime on both the 18th and 19th.

No, it only indicates within X-fire.  It has no validity outside of X-fire.  This has been discussed far too many times in this thread.

Be my guest and ignore it then.

There is no "ignore" on my part.  I'm following proven statistical analysis procedures.  Which proves, by fact, that X-fire statistics used outside of X-fire userbase has no validity.

However, there is "ignore" on your part.  Ignoring these statisical analysis procedures to use X-fire statistics in any way you can to fulfill your own self-serving beliefs.

So, be my guest and ignore the actual facts then.  It doesn't make your position truthful.

What you mean is: we don't know how badly or how well the x-fire population represents the total userbase. It could be a perfect representation or a very bad one, but we don't really know. So therefore, you assume that it is a bad one and dismiss all trends shown by it. 

How well does http://www.swtorarena.com/statistics/ represent server statistics on population trends ?

Maybe we could compare between xfire and this.

Originally posted by Metentso

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Blackbrrd

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Blackbrrd

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by potapithikos

Everytime people say that Xfire proves nothing.... and so far everytime they have been proven wrong.

 

The world is full of Homer Simpsons.

 I'd like to see that proof. Keep in mind coincidence doesn't constitute proof. You have to proove a direct corellation and causation.

I know a strong trend down on xfire for AoC was because the playerbase was falling. I have been following the game relatively closely, and if you adjust the trends on xfire for xfire campaigns it's a very good _indicator_. I think it's too early to conclude anything for swtor, especially with downtime on both the 18th and 19th.

No, it only indicates within X-fire.  It has no validity outside of X-fire.  This has been discussed far too many times in this thread.

Be my guest and ignore it then.

There is no "ignore" on my part.  I'm following proven statistical analysis procedures.  Which proves, by fact, that X-fire statistics used outside of X-fire userbase has no validity.

However, there is "ignore" on your part.  Ignoring these statisical analysis procedures to use X-fire statistics in any way you can to fulfill your own self-serving beliefs.

So, be my guest and ignore the actual facts then.  It doesn't make your position truthful.

You made your point, and others like you. You don't believe it has validity. Ok, we get it. Now stop disrupting this thread please? So we can disuss trends in xFire? Thanks.

 It's not a "belief" it's a fact. The thread is not about trends on xfire. It's about if SWTOR had peaked three weeks ago, which it clearly hadn't,  And what it meant which is nothing. What is disrupting this thread is people necroing it to give their fantasy version of how statistics work.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Metentso

You made your point, and others like you. You don't believe it has validity. Ok, we get it. Now stop disrupting this thread please? So we can disuss trends in xFire? Thanks.

 It's not a "belief" it's a fact. The thread is not about trends on xfire. It's about if SWTOR had peaked three weeks ago, which it clearly hadn't,  And what it meant which is nothing. What is disrupting this thread is people necroing it to give their fantasy version of how statistics work.

It's about if it has peaked on xFire, as the title says. And it's never been "necroed", at most 2-3 days have passed without a post, that's not necroing, I watch xFire every day and there is always something to comment on.

And yes, SWTOR has peaked on xFire, a bit later than the OP said but it did.

Originally posted by Metentso

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Blackbrrd

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Blackbrrd

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by potapithikos

Everytime people say that Xfire proves nothing.... and so far everytime they have been proven wrong.

 

The world is full of Homer Simpsons.

 I'd like to see that proof. Keep in mind coincidence doesn't constitute proof. You have to proove a direct corellation and causation.

I know a strong trend down on xfire for AoC was because the playerbase was falling. I have been following the game relatively closely, and if you adjust the trends on xfire for xfire campaigns it's a very good _indicator_. I think it's too early to conclude anything for swtor, especially with downtime on both the 18th and 19th.

No, it only indicates within X-fire.  It has no validity outside of X-fire.  This has been discussed far too many times in this thread.

Be my guest and ignore it then.

There is no "ignore" on my part.  I'm following proven statistical analysis procedures.  Which proves, by fact, that X-fire statistics used outside of X-fire userbase has no validity.

However, there is "ignore" on your part.  Ignoring these statisical analysis procedures to use X-fire statistics in any way you can to fulfill your own self-serving beliefs.

So, be my guest and ignore the actual facts then.  It doesn't make your position truthful.

You made your point, and others like you. You don't believe it has validity. Ok, we get it. Now stop disrupting this thread please? So we can disuss trends in xFire? Thanks.

So, because my statements are not you want to hear, yet they are based on X-fire, you don't want me to type them? 

Sorry... I am not gonna comply with your wishes.

Originally posted by InFaVilla

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Blackbrrd

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Blackbrrd

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by potapithikos

Everytime people say that Xfire proves nothing.... and so far everytime they have been proven wrong.

 

The world is full of Homer Simpsons.

 I'd like to see that proof. Keep in mind coincidence doesn't constitute proof. You have to proove a direct corellation and causation.

I know a strong trend down on xfire for AoC was because the playerbase was falling. I have been following the game relatively closely, and if you adjust the trends on xfire for xfire campaigns it's a very good _indicator_. I think it's too early to conclude anything for swtor, especially with downtime on both the 18th and 19th.

No, it only indicates within X-fire.  It has no validity outside of X-fire.  This has been discussed far too many times in this thread.

Be my guest and ignore it then.

There is no "ignore" on my part.  I'm following proven statistical analysis procedures.  Which proves, by fact, that X-fire statistics used outside of X-fire userbase has no validity.

However, there is "ignore" on your part.  Ignoring these statisical analysis procedures to use X-fire statistics in any way you can to fulfill your own self-serving beliefs.

So, be my guest and ignore the actual facts then.  It doesn't make your position truthful.

What you mean is: we don't know how badly or how well the x-fire population represents the total userbase. It could be a perfect representation or a very bad one, but we don't really know. So therefore, you assume that it is a bad one and dismiss all trends shown by it. 

I believe that you haven't read all my posts on this subject.  Because, I have specifically stated, MULTIPLE times, that X-fire statistics are useful for showing trends within X-fire.  I have also proven my point, MULTIPLE times, that X-fire statistics used outside of X-fire are invalid based on the complete lack of sampling controls.

Originally posted by Metentso

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Metentso

You made your point, and others like you. You don't believe it has validity. Ok, we get it. Now stop disrupting this thread please? So we can disuss trends in xFire? Thanks.

 It's not a "belief" it's a fact. The thread is not about trends on xfire. It's about if SWTOR had peaked three weeks ago, which it clearly hadn't,  And what it meant which is nothing. What is disrupting this thread is people necroing it to give their fantasy version of how statistics work.

It's about if it has peaked on xFire, as the title says. And it's never been "necroed", at most 2-3 days have passed without a post, that's not necroing, I watch xFire every day and there is always something to comment on.

And yes, SWTOR has peaked on xFire, a bit later than the OP said but it did.

Yet, the anti-SWTOR brigade has tried to use the X-fire statistics outside of the X-fire userbase a multitude of times within this thread.  That is a fact.

Originally posted by dubyahite

Here, I can play with Xfire numbers too:
 
ToR currently has 9,453 users per day on Xfire.
WoW has 19,138 players.
 
This means that the ToR population is about 49% of WoW's population. So that meanst ToR has 5 million players. 
 
See how silly that sounds? 

true is that wow has 8mil chineese player in that number so it leaves 2mil to NA and EU

that also means that swtor has around one mil based on this statistic, which is pretty accurate

Originally posted by Metentso

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Metentso

You made your point, and others like you. You don't believe it has validity. Ok, we get it. Now stop disrupting this thread please? So we can disuss trends in xFire? Thanks.

 It's not a "belief" it's a fact. The thread is not about trends on xfire. It's about if SWTOR had peaked three weeks ago, which it clearly hadn't,  And what it meant which is nothing. What is disrupting this thread is people necroing it to give their fantasy version of how statistics work.

It's about if it has peaked on xFire, as the title says. And it's never been "necroed", at most 2-3 days have passed without a post, that's not necroing, I watch xFire every day and there is always something to comment on.

And yes, SWTOR has peaked on xFire, a bit later than the OP said but it did.

I don't think I'd call what its doing now "peaking" .. but I'm sure any similarity that shares with actual changes in TOR's population is purely coincidental 

Originally posted by Metentso

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Metentso

You made your point, and others like you. You don't believe it has validity. Ok, we get it. Now stop disrupting this thread please? So we can disuss trends in xFire? Thanks.

 It's not a "belief" it's a fact. The thread is not about trends on xfire. It's about if SWTOR had peaked three weeks ago, which it clearly hadn't,  And what it meant which is nothing. What is disrupting this thread is people necroing it to give their fantasy version of how statistics work.

It's about if it has peaked on xFire, as the title says. And it's never been "necroed", at most 2-3 days have passed without a post, that's not necroing, I watch xFire every day and there is always something to comment on.

And yes, SWTOR has peaked on xFire, a bit later than the OP said but it did.

 Has it peaked on xfire? Probably but hard to say without knowing the future. Had it peaked when the thread was started? Absolutely not. It was a settled issue the assertion proved wrong weeks ago.  Dead is dead. Rising dead threads is necroing. Tthree days three weeks three minutes, it makes no difference.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Metentso

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Metentso

You made your point, and others like you. You don't believe it has validity. Ok, we get it. Now stop disrupting this thread please? So we can disuss trends in xFire? Thanks.

 It's not a "belief" it's a fact. The thread is not about trends on xfire. It's about if SWTOR had peaked three weeks ago, which it clearly hadn't,  And what it meant which is nothing. What is disrupting this thread is people necroing it to give their fantasy version of how statistics work.

It's about if it has peaked on xFire, as the title says. And it's never been "necroed", at most 2-3 days have passed without a post, that's not necroing, I watch xFire every day and there is always something to comment on.

And yes, SWTOR has peaked on xFire, a bit later than the OP said but it did.

 Has it peaked on xfire? Probably but hard to say without knowing the future. Had it peaked when the thread was started? Absolutely not. It was a settled issue the assertion proved wrong weeks ago.  Dead is dead. Rising dead threads is necroing. Tthree days three weeks three minutes, it makes no difference.

It has peaked for now, and it looks like for some time. Of course we are not going to wait till Bioware closes the game to know for sure when was the maximum xFire rating in the history of SWTOR.

Thread was not dead. Now comes the first week end after payment. We will discuss it if you dont mind of course.

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Metentso

You made your point, and others like you. You don't believe it has validity. Ok, we get it. Now stop disrupting this thread please? So we can disuss trends in xFire? Thanks.

So, because my statements are not you want to hear, yet they are based on X-fire, you don't want me to type them? 

Sorry... I am not gonna comply with your wishes.

Ok do what you want but we had 50 pages discussing what you are trying to bring up again. And we just want to talk about xFire trends. If you are going to say after every post that xFire numbers don't represent blah blah blah, ok but it's annoying.

Originally posted by Metentso

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Metentso

You made your point, and others like you. You don't believe it has validity. Ok, we get it. Now stop disrupting this thread please? So we can disuss trends in xFire? Thanks.

So, because my statements are not you want to hear, yet they are based on X-fire, you don't want me to type them? 

Sorry... I am not gonna comply with your wishes.

Ok do what you want but we had 50 pages discussing what you are trying to bring up again. And we just want to talk about xFire trends. If you are going to say after every post that xFire numbers don't represent blah blah blah, ok but it's annoying.

Selective memory?  Because the anti-SWTOR brigade keeps on trying to use X-fire statistics outside of the X-fire userbase.

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Metentso

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Metentso

You made your point, and others like you. You don't believe it has validity. Ok, we get it. Now stop disrupting this thread please? So we can disuss trends in xFire? Thanks.

So, because my statements are not you want to hear, yet they are based on X-fire, you don't want me to type them? 

Sorry... I am not gonna comply with your wishes.

Ok do what you want but we had 50 pages discussing what you are trying to bring up again. And we just want to talk about xFire trends. If you are going to say after every post that xFire numbers don't represent blah blah blah, ok but it's annoying.

Selective memory?  Because the anti-SWTOR brigade keeps on trying to use X-fire statistics outside of the X-fire userbase.

Well they can if they want to. It's not against the law you know.