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  Master10K

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1/19/12 1:20:53 PM#21
Originally posted by sirphobos

That's why I'm looking forward to Planetside 2 for my PvP fix.

Yeah. Planetside 2 and Guild Wars 2 will hopefully wet my MMO PvP appetite.

  SkillCosby

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OP  1/19/12 2:19:09 PM#22
Originally posted by MikeB
Originally posted by precious328

MMO: MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE

In today's MMOs, why are we being fed this embarrassing 6v6 or 8v8 instanced garbage? What is "massive" about it? You can find more people in a single game of Call of Duty.

 

The lack of innovation is disturbing. Any game that produces such cheap lack-luster traits should go down, as it's horrid for the genre in whole.

There's a place for everything, in my opinion. I enjoy large scale battles quite a bit, but it doesn't mean I can't enjoy the smaller fights found in instanced PvP or spread out in the game world. My hope is that my current MMO of choice (whatever it is) offers both options and that they are equally compelling.

So long as incentive doesn't tip the balance, which it normally does in favor of BGs.

  Kyleran

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1/19/12 2:25:48 PM#23
Originally posted by BadSpock

Truly "massive" open world PvP would require significantly less flashy graphics.

All the PvE fans and graphics whores would cry blaphemy in a heart beat if "their game" was "dumbed down" visually in order to facilitate more massive scale open world PvP.

 

Personally, I'd love to see a game with stylized, "lower end" graphics that still looked "good" that supported truly massive open world PvE and PvP.

I would go so far as to have my avatar reskinned into something very simple and basic, standardized "uniforms" if you will that would be very easy on the graphics processor, at least for the big fights.

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  Xthos

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1/19/12 2:29:38 PM#24

Yes, I have found the scenario pvp to be lacking, thats why I prefer open world pvp, but people don't seem to be able to make it worth a damn either, for the most part...Some scenario stuff I have done in the past has been done well, but it usually is about 3 different themes done over and over...

 

I am hoping that GW2 does it's WvWvW right, and makes it fun.

 

Thats why I always say, if you want arena stuff, go play a FPS...They do it better.

 

Edit:  Yeah they usually favor scenarios for rewards, and obsolete open world pvp even more than their poor design does...Also open world pvp and a super tight railed game are horrible matches....You have low level rats running through a tight maze, that other people know exactly where they will be all the time....Its like shooting fish in a barrel...Their is no more hunt for the most part.

 

 

  kalmah

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1/19/12 3:01:25 PM#25
Originally posted by Xthos

Its like shooting fish in a barrel...Their is no more hunt for the most part.

 

 

Wow...I've always had a hard time explaining what is so fun about world pvp and you nailed it with just one word.

Hunt

AAA MMOs these days are missing just this, the hunt, and it's very hard to implement this in an instanced zone with a small player and map size limit.

 

Porn has voice acting, who doesn't skip it?

  nariusseldon

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1/19/12 3:03:00 PM#26
Originally posted by Skuz
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by BadSpock

Truly "massive" open world PvP would require significantly less flashy graphics.

All the PvE fans and graphics whores would cry blaphemy in a heart beat if "their game" was "dumbed down" visually in order to facilitate more massive scale open world PvP.

 

Personally, I'd love to see a game with stylized, "lower end" graphics that still looked "good" that supported truly massive open world PvE and PvP.

Massive is not necessarily better. Graphics obviously has an impact on the enjoyment of the game.

To me, a 1000 x 1000 fight in sticky figure in 1995 graphics is way LESS fun than 30 vs 30 fight with modern graphics and gameplay mechanics.

 

If I was an Indie software developer, I'd take the "stick-man PvP game" idea & run with it, I think it could work.

 

nah .. not for me. You need at least good art direction and few indie developers can pay for that.

  ShakyMo

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1/19/12 3:12:12 PM#27
Rvr style pvp seems to be coming back in fashion

Planetside 2
The secret world
Firefall
Guild wars 2 (kind of)

At least one of them should get us away from the e"sport" rubbish
  skyexile

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1/19/12 3:28:26 PM#28


Originally posted by sirphobos
That's why I'm looking forward to Planetside 2 for my PvP fix.

Yea looks like the only hope for massive battles in an MMO lies with SOE. Other deveps AKA: Mythic cant seem to grasp "dont fix it if it aint broken" and try to reinvent the wheel with 2 faction PvP where players "pvp" over PVE nodes...its broken.

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  kalmah

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1/19/12 3:34:32 PM#29
Originally posted by skyexile

 


Originally posted by sirphobos
That's why I'm looking forward to Planetside 2 for my PvP fix.


 

Yea looks like the only hope for massive battles in an MMO lies with SOE. Other deveps AKA: Mythic cant seem to grasp "dont fix it if it aint broken" and try to reinvent the wheel with 2 faction PvP where players "pvp" over PVE nodes...its broken.

That did work well with Darkness Falls IMO.

Porn has voice acting, who doesn't skip it?

  skyexile

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1/19/12 3:52:14 PM#30


Originally posted by kalmah


Originally posted by skyexile
 



Originally posted by sirphobos
That's why I'm looking forward to Planetside 2 for my PvP fix.



 
Yea looks like the only hope for massive battles in an MMO lies with SOE. Other deveps AKA: Mythic cant seem to grasp "dont fix it if it aint broken" and try to reinvent the wheel with 2 faction PvP where players "pvp" over PVE nodes...its broken.


That did work well with Darkness Falls IMO.

there was nothing like darkness falls in WAR and im pretty sure nothing like it in SWTOR.

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  fenistil

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1/19/12 4:47:05 PM#31

Current themepark mmorpg's changed into CORPG games. Quick race to max level and then player play co-op game spending 95% of time in instanced dungeons and instanced BG.

+ everyone self-sufficiant + cross server-LFG tools and teleporting everywhere = lack of community and world creatio

 

They are just not mmorpg's anymore imho.

 

They are closer to just normal multiplayer games like LoL, CoD, etc nowadays.

 

That's why I don't play them.

 

  kalmah

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1/19/12 5:07:48 PM#32
Originally posted by skyexile

 


Originally posted by kalmah


Originally posted by skyexile
 




Originally posted by sirphobos
That's why I'm looking forward to Planetside 2 for my PvP fix.




 
Yea looks like the only hope for massive battles in an MMO lies with SOE. Other deveps AKA: Mythic cant seem to grasp "dont fix it if it aint broken" and try to reinvent the wheel with 2 faction PvP where players "pvp" over PVE nodes...its broken.



That did work well with Darkness Falls IMO.

 

there was nothing like darkness falls in WAR and im pretty sure nothing like it in SWTOR.

I meant in the sense of fighting for control of a PvE node, although it did very much have PvP aspects.

Porn has voice acting, who doesn't skip it?

  skyexile

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1/19/12 5:22:18 PM#33


Originally posted by kalmah


Originally posted by skyexile
 



Originally posted by kalmah




Originally posted by skyexile
 





Originally posted by sirphobos
That's why I'm looking forward to Planetside 2 for my PvP fix.





 
Yea looks like the only hope for massive battles in an MMO lies with SOE. Other deveps AKA: Mythic cant seem to grasp "dont fix it if it aint broken" and try to reinvent the wheel with 2 faction PvP where players "pvp" over PVE nodes...its broken.




That did work well with Darkness Falls IMO.



 
there was nothing like darkness falls in WAR and im pretty sure nothing like it in SWTOR.


I meant in the sense of fighting for control of a PvE node, although it did very much have PvP aspects.

by node i was referring to a node, not a zone. those 4 things per map of WAR, that people fought over...err correct that...exchanged...with eachother in an effort to achieve PVP GLORY!....from doing PVE... Darkness falls served a purpose, people actually fought over it.

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