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1/16/12 4:58:17 PM#21
It's a power strip - you can put them where ever you want. They have convenient on-off switches. As far as the relevance - just a rebuttal to those who say you never need, nor should you, turn off your PC. I think you should turn off everything when your not using it, and provide a situation where it makes good sense (such as when your paying in exceed of $0.30 / kWh in electricity). |
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1/18/12 3:52:20 PM#22
Wow those power prices are insane! Guess I'm never moving to Cali. Up here in Toronto the highest rate is at around 11 cents per KWH and lowest drops down to around 6 or 7.
Was actually thinking of getting a 2KW solar system, currently the government has a incentive program going that pays around 80 cents per KWH if it's generated using solar and once you get approved they will pay you that price for 20 years. |
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aodoine
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1/18/12 4:01:21 PM#23
Originally posted by lectrocuda DC current does not equal AC current... If it was 5v with .9 Amps AC it would be enough to be fatal but DC current will burn you without any other effect unless you keep the cable sticked to the skin then it can cook you... AC stands for alternative current which means it's (on and off) DC is direct current and is not has dangerous as AC. The result on the heart and artery is far from one and another. |
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1/18/12 4:09:44 PM#24
Originally posted by mlmw If they pay you 80 cents per kWh, then guess how much they charge for that electricity when they sell it to someone else? Mandating that a significant fraction of their electricity has to come from outlandishly expensive sources is how you get such high electricity rates. That plus heavily restricting or banning a lot of cheaper electricity sources is how it gets so expensive in California. And that also means that the state imports a large fraction of its electricity from its neighbors. |
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1/18/12 4:29:39 PM#25
Originally posted by Quizzical
Oh I agree, they are warning us that prices will most likely double in the next 5 years, from then on I guess the sky’s the limit. They are also limiting the amount of people admitted to the program annually. People and business have an option to pay the higher prices if they want to support the electricity coming from solar or wind sources.
The way I see it regular people are getting screwed left and right. Most don't even get a raise that accounts for inflation, never mind the rising cost of living, so every year a lot get their annual raise and are happy when in fact they are a bit poorer then they were the previous year.
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1/21/12 11:20:16 AM#26
Solar, wind & tidal.... California has plenty of energy, it is just that the uneducated politicians (who do nothing, except pagentry) don't understand benevolence and spending money on things that help everytone.
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1/21/12 11:29:57 AM#27
does California even have money? I thought they couldn't pay the wages of their own infrastructure. All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick. |
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1/21/12 12:06:14 PM#28
Originally posted by Phelcher Given the choice between producing solar, wind, or tidal power locally, and importing energy from neighboring states, the latter is a lot cheaper. So that's largely what California does. "does California even have money? I thought they couldn't pay the wages of their own infrastructure." They do have a lot of money, but it's a question of priorities. They've decided that welfare programs and retirement benefits for former government employees are very high priorities, and once they've spent all they want on those, there isn't so much money left for a lot of things that people from outside the state might expect to be higher priorities. |
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1/21/12 6:28:14 PM#29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_electricity_crisis The effects are still around today. Basically - regulations then (and still today) make it very difficult to build a new power plant in California. Deregulations on the energy grid (from the mid 1990's) made it easy for out-of-state companies to manipulate the power supply to California. The wholesale electric market was deregulated, and utility companies had to buy from power brokers. But those same utility companies had their retail prices regulated: they could not raise their rates, and customers were not free to chose their utility provider to get the best rate. It was a huge boondoggle. Out of State companies took advantage of the situation, created artificial blackouts (by manipulating power plants along the grid and the power distribution) so the state would be forced to import power from their out of state power plants at extremely high rates. Enron was the biggest culprit, as a Texas power broker, and would intentionally shut down key power plants for "maintenance" so that it would create artificial in-state outages, and drive up the wholesale price. It forced many state utility companies to go bankrupt. So today, because of past bankruptcies, and earlier inattention to the power grid, California has some of the highest electrical rates in the US. http://texaselectricityratings.wordpress.com/a-comparison-of-deregulated-and-regulated-electricity-rates-2/ |
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