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  tom_gore

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1/18/12 4:38:24 AM#201
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by tom_gore

If only content providers would spend the money they are burning at (ineffectively) fighting against piracy, to develop new methods of distributing and offering competitively priced content to the consumers.


Better to build more sandcastles to stem the flood, right? 

They won't pass the savings on to the consumer though and thats the problem. They have no issue cutting cost to increase profits, but never will they cut costs to offer competitively priced content for the consumer.

Look at SWTOR.............

Digital Copy = $59.99

Physical Copy = $59.99

Standard price of a physical copy of a new game = $59.99

They used a cheap means of distribution.......... but they did not pass the savings on to the consumer.

Whats more likely to happen is they will come up with a cheaper form of distribution and find a way to charge consumers more for it lol. Has happened to many times to count now.

 

You're absolutely right. And that's why they are in trouble. People are willing to pay for content, but they are not ready to be blatantly ripped off. Call of Duty - same game every year with different skin and 60 bucks/euros plus 15 euros for each 2-3 map packs.

People are already voting with their wallets. There is no more money for them to be had even if all the piracy would stop tomorrow. They are not losing money to piracy because that money does not exist.

Guess I can't blame them though. They earn much more money by selling a million copies at 60 bucks each than 2 million copies at 30 bucks.

In any case, my statement stands. They should spend the money they are spending fighting piracy elsewhere and it would benefit them more.

 

  HikaruShidou

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1/18/12 5:03:23 AM#202

I still think the end piracy as a whole is dumb. Big corporations like Adobe and Autodesk think they will make a lot more money with piracy gone, but in a way piracy promotes products far more than harms it. Programs that cost 3-4 thousand dollars STILL will not be bought because people can't afford them. Things like movies, anime, games are often pirated to be played first, then if people like it, they buy it to get continued updates, new content, etc. Be aware i'm only commenting on personal use /non-profit pirating. I do NOT support or respect those who pirate for profit.



It will be interesting if ending pirating actually hurts companies more than it solves.

IMO Businesses need to accept a new business model. Give the core program free, charge for add-ons.



 

Anime needs to get off it's high horse and stop charging people for day1 releases. It's being released for free in japan the same day people are downloading it around the world. Simply provide it free the first day and charge after day1. Downloading anime is no different then borrowing a recorded VHS/DVD from a friend that taped it. Or are all Home recordings banned now too?



Movies - they already make 10x over the budget spent to make it. People who support their actors still buy it.

Games - If game companies actually put effort into making a good game, people will buy it. RAGE for instance was a $60 pile of **** game. How many times have we bought a game for it to turn out crappy? Demos you say? They only show the good parts of a game to get you hooked.



So if companies want to complain about piraters, they need to give people a reason to buy it.

I'll say this again. I believe 100% pirating promotes products more than it hurts them. Once they find a way to stop people, we're going to see a major decline in those products. Less games being risked to buy, no more fan content when kids can't afford adobe programs, no more new anime being known to people.


  rojoArcueid

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1/18/12 5:05:49 AM#203

come on sopa, get outta here.... been trying to use wikipedia for hours.....

-.-

  Elikal

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1/18/12 5:07:28 AM#204

As I see it, the law seems to contain a huge grey area on what it can be applied to. That is, as far as I see, the main critique. It could be used against a LOT OF things, which are not pircary or anything the like, but some something any party in power can censor, due to the extreme vagueness of the law. Also, it covers the old problem: who watches the watchmen? Vague as the text is it seems all too easy to form a censorship, and suddenly the basic concept of "guilty" is turned upside down. The normal idea of a free society is, that something is allowed until someone proves it does a damage, and something is illegal because someone proofs that. With this the entire system is turned upside down. Content is censored and the content owner/creator must prove his "innocence". Guilty by suspicion. Its an evil and wrong idea altogether!

The simple fact is, piracy, child pornography and other stuff are ALREADY illegal. So why make a new law on something that is forbidden already? Information is power, and how powerful the internet can be, can be seen in the "Arabian Spring".

We are manipulated by the so called "free press/media" by and large already, and getting control over the internet is the information battlefield of the present and future, for it is the last free gap in a highly streamlined information system. Such a law potentially allows a censorship of everything under a most fishy pretense. Unfortunately Europe is already lacking a lot of freedom and has a lot of censorship. My own country, Germany, alas in the forefront. Always under the banner of "protecting the people". As usual. I really hope Americans fight for their freedom, for it is where much that will matter globally will decided, for good or ill. I hope you win this fight for freedom in your country!

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  Shealladh

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1/18/12 5:22:26 AM#205

Originally posted by Dragonantis

As usual, America trying to control everything in the world.




 




Down with Sopa!





 


Way I see it, SOPA = American Propoganda Overkill System


Vote up APOS!


  User Deleted
1/18/12 5:29:12 AM#206

Originally posted by Loke666

It is funny how the US goverment complain that China, North Korea and Cuba restrict the internet but then don't mind doing the same themselves.



Yes, but you see the US of A does it to protect democracy, freedom of speach, and human rights. China and NK are doing it to block these. So it's all ok.


No, wait...that doesn't sound right somehow...


  Darkor_hXc

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1/18/12 5:35:28 AM#207

STOP SOPA!!!!


  User Deleted
1/18/12 5:35:43 AM#208

This is just another attempt by rich corporations to make everything proprietary. Once they make it illegal they will label every thing they can as copyright protected and charge you for it. Remember they tried this a few times before first with Rap music in the early 90s, then they went after filesharing. Greedy scumbags. Of course this should be stopped, just vote against anyone who says they are for this. 


Actually only 3 senators are for this, all of them recieved more money from record companies than anyone else, they are bought and paid for and are mouthpeices for the Music industry lobby.


  Talin

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1/18/12 5:38:51 AM#209

In a world where children and grandmothers are brought to court for illegally downloading music, it is time to take a second look at how the Internet works.


I fundamentally agree with the need to stop piracy, completely, but agree that this bill feels too open-ended and ripe for abuse. I hope as it is revised the scope and implied powers become narrower, and even if it ends up being only 10% effective, that is progress in my mind.


Those arguing that hackers and other "experts" will always find a way are right of course, but the reality is that recreational online piracy is so prevalent because it is just so very convenient.


  Mogcat

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1/18/12 5:56:34 AM#210

cant american learn to mind its own bloody business! just go away! leave the rest of the world alone! 

  Phry

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1/18/12 6:01:55 AM#211
Originally posted by Mogcat

cant american learn to mind its own bloody business! just go away! leave the rest of the world alone! 

rather than that, they need to stop pandering to the demands of the music industry etc.. that is trying to force websites to not host music downloads or streaming sites, without paying them through the nose for the priveledge..

  Wraithone

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1/18/12 6:19:22 AM#212
Originally posted by haibane

Hasn't Obama cancelled the whole thing yesterday already ? That was posted on engaget ?? Everybody stood against SOPA so he pulled it back ? Oo

 

It was more the fact that Google and Face Book and some of the other massive funders of lobbists opposed it, in its current form.  Big Content isn't used to being opposed effectively, so they under estimated how many politicians their opposition already had in their own pockets.  Make no mistake, SOPA *will* be back in one form or another. Once certain behind the scenes deals are made.

All of the popular outrage/outcry was much sound and fury, which signifies *nothing* as far as our Dear Leaders are concerned. The only thing that motivates them is power, and the "contributions" from the various lobby groups, that allow them to gain and maintain that power.  Everything else is a shadow play, of illusion and delusion. 

  Rosha

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1/18/12 6:20:22 AM#213

I think the best example of this legislation would be if say Google turned off their entire service for 24 hours.


Wikipedia is doing it, but imagine the impact and outcry through the world if the most famous search engine stopped for a day.


  Aison2

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1/18/12 6:26:39 AM#214
If this shit goes trough you will be the laughing stock of china. Then it will be them who can laugh about your corporate run state where corporations can block any content at whim with madeup accusations.

Pi*1337/100 = 42

  BarryManilow

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1/18/12 6:53:28 AM#215

SOPA would not exist if these congressmen/lawmakers were not bought and paid for by the 1% ie (big business).   The government we  have is owned by big money.   The ones with the most money have the most control.    Doesn't matter if you are a democrate or republican, they are being controlled by corporations pulling their puppet strings.


People always get up in arms about who is the president, however what people don't notice is the true power lays with the Congress of the USA.    In Nov of 10, the tea party wave voted for less government and the GOP took control of the house.  Did it change anything?   Well just look at this SOPA brought up in the congress.   It's back as usual in the congress where talk and promises are cheap and money controls all.


  BarryManilow

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1/18/12 6:57:53 AM#216

Anyone else want to blame METALLICA for SOPA?!!!  :)  


  outfctrl

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1/18/12 7:02:18 AM#217

Interesting.

A few people brought this up in the off topic, but the thread was locked for being political.  Now it is up for discussion in News Discussion?

Funny.  I guess what's good for the Goose is not good for the Gander.

 

  PyscoJuggalo

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1/18/12 7:05:53 AM#218

Piracy is not bad.  Businessmen not figuring a way out to profit off of free access to your IP that has billions of users/fans is a joke.




There are other ways to make money than direct sales: if you can't figure them out, then you deserve to go bankrupt.





 


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  tom_gore

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1/18/12 7:12:57 AM#219
Originally posted by PyscoJuggalo

Piracy is not bad.  Businessmen not figuring a way out to profit off of free access to your IP that has billions of users/fans is a joke.
 

There are other ways to make money than direct sales: if you can't figure them out, then you deserve to go bankrupt.



 

Basically what I said in my post. If they spent the money they spent fighting piracy to adopt new ways to distribute their content they would make more money.

  trozyxxx

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1/18/12 7:32:16 AM#220

Piracy its an awfull thing,


American politics, greed, control, Sony, ... I could go on.


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