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  Nanfoodle

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1/17/12 10:47:32 PM#161
It must be stopped.
  zephermarkus

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1/17/12 10:53:58 PM#162

Well be rdy for tommarow cause your going to get a taste of what it would be like if it gets passed alot of websites will be down on the 18th of january aspart of the raising awareness of how bad this bill will be if past. NOt sure if mmorpg is participating but they should.

  Juiceman

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1/17/12 11:02:53 PM#163

I just went to craigslist and they have a big post about SOPA and PIPA.  Monster Cables wants the site blacklisted and shut down because their products are "Not for Resale", and so are many others.  I can only imagine the multitude of similar reprecussions passing this bill would have.  An internet and community with no Craigslist?  So companies can continue to use up finite resources in the name of profit.  That is obsurd.   We would be forced back to garage sales and word of mouth.  Just another reason to dislike the whole of these bills.

  disownation

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1/17/12 11:15:33 PM#164
Originally posted by troublmaker

 

Let's get this argument out of the way right away.  All freedoms are restricted al lthe time.  There is no such thing as an unrestricted freedom or rights.  Many Americans think they have it, but they do not.


Take for example this classic case.  It is the middle of the night and I'm in a Jewish neighborhood.  As an expression of my freedom of speech I yell at the top of my lunges "THE HOLOCAUST IS A LIE BUT IT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED YOU KILLED JESUS!"  Now I keep repeating this obscenity over and over and over and over.  I do it from 12AM to 8AM.  At this point I decide to go home and sleep.


Am I really so free to do this?  Would you as a citizen of the United States really ALLOW me to violate someone like this to protect MY freedom?




Of course not.




Any time a freedom or a right violates a citizen's freedoms or rights you are responsible to bring it into question and write laws to protect one from the other.


Let's give another example to round out this "I should be free to say what I want" type of argument.  Let's as a child are responsible for bringing an item to school for a presentation, kind of like how kids bring frogs and toys to show everyone.  But this one kid brings his favorite thing, a German sex tape to the class.  Now if he is free to express himself he should be able to run this tape as loud as he wants.  No one has to watch it, but he should be able to run it.




Should we let this happen?




Of course not you monster.




So no, saying something is against freedom of speech is not an acceptable argument.  The issue is not freedom of speech it is the freedom to elicitely do illegal things with no punishment all because you are protected by International esteem.





 

This is where you (and many others) confuse what Freedom of Speech means and stands for. Freedom of Speech is the Right to seek, receive and impart information and ideas without being censored or controlled. Freedom of Speech does NOT give you the right to harrass, incite and/or participate in things that are deemed obscene (which are all part of the examples you listed above).

 

Having said that, SOPA and PIPA go much deeper than Piracy. That is just the preface. Believe me, Americans do not want these bills to pass. Do your own research. Find out what's happening. Don't listen to the media. And for god's sake...start standing up. Hate to say it, but the majority of America is asleep.

  Angitherias

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1/17/12 11:19:43 PM#165

Similiar things are happening here in Canada, it's all about control.

TBJ

  redpins

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People simply can't create fun for themselves!

1/17/12 11:40:35 PM#166

DMCA exists. Why do they need SOPA? Why get rid of the due process? No process where a word can take down a site at will because its competition? Are people that agree retarded or insane? Do you want me to take down your job, life, gf/bf with ONE word, and you can't do anything about it? Wnat me to take your car, house, money, family, friends and stick you in jail with ONE word? That is SOPA. Any site that EA finds as competition and doesn't see fit, can take it down without any legal action other than their word against yours.


 


Read the fine print, SOPA gives people the power to take down anything at will on the internet based on their word. Only that now big named publishers can have this power, and anyone else, including us small developers and the game users themselves have NO SAY what so ever.


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  marinrider

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1/17/12 11:59:35 PM#167

Right this moment, some guy is shooting heroin, or smuggling a couple thousand kilos of illegal narcotics and the gov decides to worry about a kid singing a justin beiber cover on youtube?

Give me a break, of course SOPA and PIPA should be shot down.

  User Deleted
1/18/12 12:01:35 AM#168

  Piracy needs to be stopped....however, this is like bringing a nuke to a spear fishing competition.




 




  It WILL get interesting if it passes though - to watch the US enabling controls similar to China does now.  How effective will it be though when other countries will simply ignore their orders?





 

  OgreRaper

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1/18/12 12:04:05 AM#169

natzees GTFO with your censorship

 

die SOPA, DIE

 

 

  def_bunny

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1/18/12 12:15:44 AM#170

the reason companies like AE are members and companies like Blizzard are not is simple.


AE and it's affiliates have alot to gain from cencored advertisement such as youtube etc. 


For example publishers like Aeria(affiliate of AE) get  often very bad publicity on sites where there games can be reviewed freely and these videos often exploit glitches and shady marketing tactics that harm the companys.


AE is of course known for it's bugs and glitches. Aswell as being the poster boy for shady tactics- SOPA would banish the leaks of harmfull information about thier games.


where as Blizzard sees right throu the disguise-with nothing to hide they have no reason to support these efforts to mask shady companie's buisness models. in short- it's just anouther way to do some crowd controll. piracy will never be cilenced-but if this bill passes..WE can be silenced.


  disownation

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1/18/12 12:17:08 AM#171
Originally posted by zephermarkus

Well be rdy for tommarow cause your going to get a taste of what it would be like if it gets passed alot of websites will be down on the 18th of january aspart of the raising awareness of how bad this bill will be if past. NOt sure if mmorpg is participating but they should.

Agreed. And indeed.

 

Wikipedia is already down and being "censored". Will be interesting to see what other sights follow suit to raise public awareness. Google and Yahoo really need to take a stand on this as well. Those are two big ones. And their support or lack there of will really show who's side they are on. This is not about Piracy - that's just the tip of the iceburg. Its about censorship and the control of the flow of information to the general public.

 

Very serious stuff.

  Chivalry1978

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1/18/12 12:29:27 AM#172

This is the begining. I am an American, I was born and raised here and even served my county. I have had a chance to read over poth the proposed bills and found a few things in it just down right wrong. First yes I use file sharing, and not all of it would be considered legal, however Many of the items I have used I have later bought from a retailer. I know a great many of those in the community do the same as we know that taking with out paying will lead to less content for us to enjoy. However what this bill is trying to do is to introduce a mechanism that will in fact be used to expand the scope of what it can do.

In history we have learned in order to control the masses Governements have used ignorance and a deniel of information to control. How long do you think it will be before the scope of sopa spans to anti American or anti corperation websites. Or even non mainstream news. Dont get me wrong im not a conspiracy theorist, but Im a student of history and Im seeing all the precursors to some great travesties coming and this bill falls in line with that. The pattern is there all you have to do is look....

On a side note, the Us. Gov has shut down many sites over the years because of copyrights. Now they want to expand this so that they now hold isp accountable and make them do all the work so that they dont have to do the work....Thats like telling a soccor mom she has to arrest the crack dealer down the road.

  Wraithone

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1/18/12 12:47:06 AM#173
Originally posted by Eliandal

  Piracy needs to be stopped....however, this is like bringing a nuke to a spear fishing competition.




 




  It WILL get interesting if it passes though - to watch the US enabling controls similar to China does now.  How effective will it be though when other countries will simply ignore their orders?





 

 

We've already seen what happens, when countries ignore the Empires orders... How many examples does it take?

  avalon1000

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1/18/12 12:54:13 AM#174

I am older than most of you. I have watched our freedom disappear at an alarming pace these in the last few years. Soon it will be too late. Contact your Senator and Rep. and let them know how you feel. The constitution is bleeding out....we have lost so much already.

  haibane

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1/18/12 12:54:55 AM#175

Hasn't Obama cancelled the whole thing yesterday already ? That was posted on engaget ?? Everybody stood against SOPA so he pulled it back ? Oo


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  Olgark

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1/18/12 12:55:14 AM#176

Every free thinking person and any sane person should oppose this SOPA. If it goes through it will give film, music and games corperation the tools to basically shut down any web site they deem to be in breach of copyright.


Youtube will either have to block 90% of its user base or shut down. Sites like this can be shut down if they give a review of a game without permision from the game developer or publisher. Same with web review sites like the Escapist.


Microsoft and Appel have signed up in support of this act as well.


 


I think something needs to be done to stop online piracy but this SOPA is an extreme measure, but in the USA goverment it seems if you have the money you can get any law passed by buying off the senators within said goverment.


  GrayGhost79

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1/18/12 1:12:46 AM#177
Originally posted by Olgark

Every free thinking person and any sane person should oppose this SOPA. If it goes through it will give film, music and games corperation the tools to basically shut down any web site they deem to be in breach of copyright.


Youtube will either have to block 90% of its user base or shut down. Sites like this can be shut down if they give a review of a game without permision from the game developer or publisher. Same with web review sites like the Escapist.


Microsoft and Appel have signed up in support of this act as well.


 


I think something needs to be done to stop online piracy but this SOPA is an extreme measure, but in the USA goverment it seems if you have the money you can get any law passed by buying off the senators within said goverment.

It's worse than that lol, if the USERS post anything like a fan vid, pictures or w/e MMORPG.com could be shutdown and or blocked. That user could recieve up to 5 years in prison for that fan made vid.

It's just asinine and it won't pass, if it does it's likely to cause massive amounts of riots lol.

 

  MeerieBella

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1/18/12 1:14:29 AM#178

SOPA is DOWN. I repeat, Sopa is DOWN.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2012/01/16/obama-says-so-long-sopa-killing-controversial-internet-piracy-legislation/


Now it's Protect IP's turn.


 


BOYCOTT PROTECT IP!


  MeerieBella

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1/18/12 1:20:52 AM#179

Originally posted by GrayGhost79


Originally posted by Olgark


Every free thinking person and any sane person should oppose this SOPA. If it goes through it will give film, music and games corperation the tools to basically shut down any web site they deem to be in breach of copyright.




Youtube will either have to block 90% of its user base or shut down. Sites like this can be shut down if they give a review of a game without permision from the game developer or publisher. Same with web review sites like the Escapist.




Microsoft and Appel have signed up in support of this act as well.




 




I think something needs to be done to stop online piracy but this SOPA is an extreme measure, but in the USA goverment it seems if you have the money you can get any law passed by buying off the senators within said goverment.



It's worse than that lol, if the USERS post anything like a fan vid, pictures or w/e MMORPG.com could be shutdown and or blocked. That user could recieve up to 5 years in prison for that fan made vid.


It's just asinine and it won't pass, if it does it's likely to cause massive amounts of riots lol.


 



 




You can't believe the amount of crap companies pull on youtube because of fan-made vids! The constant blocks and take-downs are what WOULD have happened if Sopa passed. Plus 5+ more years in the slammer.


Our internet is turning into nothing more than a paradise for companies to do-in the average joe. First it started with youtube and the dmca frenzies. Then the mass twitter/facebook requirement logins for websites. Then SOPA. Now it's Protect IP!


  GrayGhost79

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1/18/12 1:37:48 AM#180
Originally posted by MeerieBella

Originally posted by GrayGhost79


Originally posted by Olgark


Every free thinking person and any sane person should oppose this SOPA. If it goes through it will give film, music and games corperation the tools to basically shut down any web site they deem to be in breach of copyright.




Youtube will either have to block 90% of its user base or shut down. Sites like this can be shut down if they give a review of a game without permision from the game developer or publisher. Same with web review sites like the Escapist.




Microsoft and Appel have signed up in support of this act as well.




 




I think something needs to be done to stop online piracy but this SOPA is an extreme measure, but in the USA goverment it seems if you have the money you can get any law passed by buying off the senators within said goverment.


It's worse than that lol, if the USERS post anything like a fan vid, pictures or w/e MMORPG.com could be shutdown and or blocked. That user could recieve up to 5 years in prison for that fan made vid.


It's just asinine and it won't pass, if it does it's likely to cause massive amounts of riots lol.


 



 



You can't believe the amount of crap companies pull on youtube because of fan-made vids! The constant blocks and take-downs are what WOULD have happened if Sopa passed. Plus 5+ more years in the slammer.


Our internet is turning into nothing more than a paradise for companies to do-in the average joe. First it started with youtube and the dmca frenzies. Then the mass twitter/facebook requirement logins for websites. Then SOPA. Now it's Protect IP!

Hopefully the reaction this has spurned will slap some sense into people and everyone can start to recognize that these copyright laws need to be revised, simplified and limited a great deal. Look at what COULD happen if they remain as stringent as they are now. we could end up with a bill passed that could put your 10 year old in jail for singing "Super Bass" and posting it on youtube...........

 

Hows that for a reality check :P

 

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