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  treysmooth

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1/17/12 5:49:36 PM#121
Originally posted by Loke666

It is funny how the US goverment complain that China, North Korea and Cuba restrict the internet but then don't mind doing the same themselves.

Stuff like this wont stop pirates, it will just create problems for regular users and if someone high up would decide that MMOs are bad they will use laws like this against us.

Piracy is badbut fighting piracy often leads to a lot worse things then the pirates themselves. Free speach is the most important human right there is and restricting it can lead to really bad things.

Franklin and Jefferson knew this already at their time.

We in America are fighting for the beliefs of Jefferson and Franklin we are called the right.  I'm a fiscal conservation libertarian and this crap must be stopped.  Unforunately we have a portion of this country that doesn't seem to get what a danger these 2 pieces of legislation truly are to everyone that uses the internet. 

  Suraknar

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1/17/12 5:57:07 PM#122
Originally posted by GTwander

Just wanna say "thank you " Hikaru.

Even WE hate what our government does, and there's absolutely nothing we can do about it without bribe money.

Don't you have elections where you live? Are you in a Democratic Country?

If yes then you can replace your governement if it doe snot do its job well through the power of your vote in next elections.

 

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  GTwander

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1/17/12 6:00:21 PM#123
Originally posted by Suraknar
Originally posted by GTwander

Just wanna say "thank you " Hikaru.

Even WE hate what our government does, and there's absolutely nothing we can do about it without bribe money.

Don't you have elections where you live? Are you in a Democratic Country?

If yes then you can replace your governement if it doe snot do its job well through the power of your vote in next elections.

 

Political discussion will get this locked, but to answer your point - "it doesn't work that way. Politicians will say whatever it takes to get into the game, then it's all lobbying, not about *you*."

Americans (little people) don't push laws, we just vote on them, and they can still be vetoed.

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  Tioanbeast

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1/17/12 6:06:48 PM#124

I belive that his act is a step in th right direction, online piracy has to be stopped some how, I howeve fail to see how this will affect any MMOs as there downloaded from online and yo can't get on without a paid account. But I thin this will help out other industries like movie and music to recieve moree profit. Everyone in america thinks they deserve everything and thats the attitude that's destroying our country.


 


 


  Robokapp

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1/17/12 6:14:30 PM#125
Originally posted by Tioanbeast

 Everyone in america thinks they deserve everything and thats the attitude that's destroying our country.

"we, the people" like everything for free. who doesn't?

  moosecatlol

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1/17/12 6:15:06 PM#126

Originally posted by Tioanbeast

I belive that his act is a step in th right direction, online piracy has to be stopped some how, I howeve fail to see how this will affect any MMOs as there downloaded from online and yo can't get on without a paid account. But I thin this will help out other industries like movie and music to recieve moree profit. Everyone in america thinks they deserve everything and thats the attitude that's destroying our country.




 




 





 


 


Read up on the bill. Hopefully this will give you a better idea of how broad language can be manipulated.


  Lidane

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1/17/12 6:19:31 PM#127

Should both SOPA and PIPA be stopped? 

Yes. No question.

  User Deleted
1/17/12 6:24:54 PM#128

Yes it should be stopped. This is not china just yet.

  ForumTroll

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1/17/12 6:35:09 PM#129

They are currently reporting this on FOX and the way they explain it is to stop piracy on the internet. To stop foreign sites form allowing american citizens to get pirated material from them, because they do not have to obide by the same copyright laws. I don't know how true this is and I also take everything FOX says with a grain of salt. However stopping pirating does not seem like a big issue to me, I'm all for it. It is the other thing that might be affected I am curious about. All american laws have fine print and loopholes, so i wonder what i am not being told, as oppossed to what i am being told.


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  Failtrain

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1/17/12 6:39:56 PM#130

Wohoo, Red 5 is amazing.


  Lidane

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1/17/12 6:44:13 PM#131
Originally posted by ForumTroll

They are currently reporting this on FOX and the way they explain it is to stop piracy on the internet. To stop foreign sites form allowing american citizens to get pirated material from them, because they do not have to obide by the same copyright laws. I don't know how true this is and I also take everything FOX says with a grain of salt. However stopping pirating does not seem like a big issue to me, I'm all for it. It is the other thing that might be affected I am curious about. All american laws have fine print and loopholes, so i wonder what i am not being told, as oppossed to what i am being told.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBiZC2gFoY8

  uohaloran

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1/17/12 6:46:12 PM#132

Of course it should be stopped.  Google and Wikipedia both are on board with Wikipedia doing a blackout and Google having a Stop SOPA link on the home page, now if only Facebook and Twitter would do the same.

Shutting down Reddit and other tech savy websites is kind of preaching to the choir.  A noble effort, but ultimately kind of a waste.

  Zekiah

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1/17/12 6:48:02 PM#133
Originally posted by ForumTroll

They are currently reporting this on FOX and the way they explain it is to stop piracy on the internet. To stop foreign sites form allowing american citizens to get pirated material from them, because they do not have to obide by the same copyright laws. I don't know how true this is and I also take everything FOX says with a grain of salt. However stopping pirating does not seem like a big issue to me, I'm all for it. It is the other thing that might be affected I am curious about. All american laws have fine print and loopholes, so i wonder what i am not being told, as oppossed to what i am being told.

The mainstream media, ie FOX CNN etc., is all owned by the same people trying to force this draconian legislation on us.

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  Tioanbeast

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1/17/12 6:58:21 PM#134

Originally posted by moosecatlol




Originally posted by Tioanbeast




I belive that his act is a step in th right direction, online piracy has to be stopped some how, I howeve fail to see how this will affect any MMOs as there downloaded from online and yo can't get on without a paid account. But I thin this will help out other industries like movie and music to recieve moree profit. Everyone in america thinks they deserve everything and thats the attitude that's destroying our country.



 




Read up on the bill. Hopefully this will give you a better idea of how broad language can be manipulated.



My position remains unchanged. Even If i was nuetral on this subject it seems that both this link and MMORPG.com is bias on this subject, ofcourse they fear that it may make them blocked or such. I am still for this bill however. NOthing you say can change that. This should've been made many years ago.


  Silverdagger

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1/17/12 7:15:55 PM#135

The US passed through Fascism (corporate run) a couple years ago and is quickly heading towards Totalitarianism (police state).  Two recent rulings that people should be worried about: the "indefinite detention bill" which was passed in December as part of the National Defense Authorization Act, and another recent ruling that allows the military to handle civil issues.  So it's official, if we stand up to our government we can "disappear" and instead of facing a line of cops with plastic shields, protesters may be met with M16s, tanks and drones.  Amerika, home of the sheeple.


So, really, is anyone surprised that some clowns tried to ram SOPA and PIPA through Congress just before the lazy sods were planning to take a couple months paid vacation.  SOPA has only been postponed, not killed.  Do not let up on the fight.  Focus on PIPA for now, but until both these bills are killed and politicians learn that they work for us not themselves, these shenanigans will come back to haunt us.   These bills, like NDAA, do not just effect the US.


  jedensuscg

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1/17/12 7:51:48 PM#136

The longer we can hold these kinds of bills off, I think the better.  The truth is now, and it was quoted in several articles, is that most of the current politians in office are old as hell techno-morons that don't even have a clue what this kinds of laws really mean.  Some in the senate and house have stated they don't even know what a domain name is!!! Many of the politicians that are trying to pass these laws have the slightest idea what the law even means, and they have admited this.  The major companies pushing the bill just tell them "it will stop piracy...trust us, oh and here is some cash" and the internet illiterate politicians think ok, win win deal.


Someday, when all these old folk politians start dying off and the new generation, though still corrupt as hell, comes into office, they will at least have more sense when it comes to technology and will realize that this will hurt more then it helps.


  Sys7em

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1/17/12 7:55:06 PM#137

absolutely


  jedensuscg

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1/17/12 8:02:53 PM#138



Originally posted by Tioanbeast










Originally posted by moosecatlol
























Originally posted by Tioanbeast





















I belive that his act is a step in th right direction, online piracy has to be stopped some how, I howeve fail to see how this will affect any MMOs as there downloaded from online and yo can't get on without a paid account. But I thin this will help out other industries like movie and music to recieve moree profit. Everyone in america thinks they deserve everything and thats the attitude that's destroying our country.















 
















Read up on the bill. Hopefully this will give you a better idea of how broad language can be manipulated.









My position remains unchanged. Even If i was nuetral on this subject it seems that both this link and MMORPG.com is bias on this subject, ofcourse they fear that it may make them blocked or such. I am still for this bill however. NOthing you say can change that. This should've been made many years ago.











 




You do realize that movie, music and other media industries already make INORDINATE amount of profits right? When some guy can pretend to be someone else in a SINGLE movie and get paid more then 1000 of me will get in my entire military career, including retirement, I think they get more then enough.  I am also against piracy and think it should be stopped, but this bill is like taking a shotgun and trying to shoot a criminal while he standing amongst a group of hostages...ya your gonna kill the criminal, but who else are you going to hurt in the process?  People are not complaining that a bill trying to stop piracy is on the table, its how this bill is "supposed" to stop piracy.  And of course that article you read as well as MMORPG seem to be baised...EVERY SINGLE technology and internet firm is against this law, and as the original article here states, even a majority of game companies are against it, and they are supposedly the ones its "supposed" to protect.  If you think this law in its current state is a right one, then your etiher a troll, work for a major publisher with multi-billion dollar CEO's, or are just like the politicians, all you see is "stop piracy" and you get blinded to the rest of the wording in the bill that goes into scarry detail exactly HOW its going to try to stop piracy. Your the type that will see a bill with a title of "Stop Gang warefare" and say its a bill that must be passed, even though it really states that it will stop gang crime by allowing police to arrest anyone with a tattoo.





 

  Cacaphony

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1/17/12 8:09:29 PM#139

Update:

So earlier I linked an article from yahoo regarding the shelving of SOPA.

Now it seems that SOPA will be alive and kicking in Feb.

Article found at The Escapist Magazine:

Here

Their source for this info was techdirt.com

Here

In other news: my knee seems to have taken an arrow out of nowhere. Updates at 11.

  Tardcore

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1/17/12 8:16:29 PM#140


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