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1/17/12 5:05:52 AM#61

"When people don't know much about something, they tend to fill in the blanks the way they want them to be filled in. They are almost always disappointed." - Will Wright


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1/17/12 5:53:36 AM#62

Eve....still has a huge subscriber base, at any given time they see between 30-45k people logged in.  People are jumping to conclusions here.  People want to talk about servers?  Everquest, the first everquest is still pay to play, still has content released(albeit very slowly now) and still has a handful of servers with a descent population.  Now, if in the 15 or so years since everquest launched it's still around, can we assume the same for any current mmo?  it's just overreacting. 


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1/17/12 6:14:13 AM#63
Originally posted by Dyner

Originally posted by sudo

I wonder how many servers will be left after GW2 release...


Pretty much think the age of MMOs is over. I throughly enjoy Co-op now more than I do my MMOs. There's just something to be said about sitting down with friends and blugeoning the crap outta things :D

So because you enjoy co-op play over MMOs the whole genre is finished? Like to make any more global predictions based on your likes and dislikes?


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1/17/12 9:02:34 AM#64

The game is suffering from "same-itis".The patients symptoms are now obvious  even to laymen.

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1/17/12 10:35:19 AM#65

I don't think Rift players have too much to worry about as far as the future of the game is concerned - whether it does go F2P or not.  It'll be around a long time yet and F2P may even give it a boost if that ever did happen.

The more worrying aspect is the creative use of words used by Trion, but then I suppose that's what businesses do whether private or shareholder owned.  Whatever it takes to keep confidence in its products high.

The MMO market is a very, very competitive one and it is natural that they will see their user base ebb and flow.  As long as they are still holding a fair share of the overall user base then the end is not nigh, even if a swap to a different business model to keep it competitive is.

Relax, breathe deeply and keep on playing.  What was it those posters said during WW2?  Keep Calm And Carry On.

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1/17/12 10:38:22 AM#66

This made me LOL.

So because you enjoy co-op play over MMOs the whole genre is finished? Like to make any more global predictions based on your likes and dislikes? 


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1/17/12 10:53:39 AM#67

I know everyone's going to blow past this post and I'm wasting my time, but I'll say this again for about the billionth time..........

These Trion is failing claims are getting so old.  I don't even play Rift, but Massively recently had an article not too long ago (srry to lazy to link) stating Trion is continuing to hire employees and are currently sitting at 532.  They have 2 potentially major games in development one of which is linked with SyFy channel.  Both of which are potentially big moves in business spaces with few if any competitors.  One space being MMORTS the other being an MMO fully integrated with television.  Performing business using this idea is how tons of businesses have found success and is the same idea Nintendo was operating off of that yielded the Wii.  The same article also suggested that they have made their money back on Rift and are raking in about 70% profit on subs. 

So yeah they have basically given the game away for free through sales, etc.  At this point it doesn't matter.  The logic behind that wasn't "we're going to go out of business unless we move more units!"  It was the exact opposite.  They don't need any more box sales or sub numbers except to keep the servers running.  Anything above and beyond can go to further development of Rift, other titles, and Trion itself.

Let's also not forget that Trion's big selling point wasn't Rift.  In fact they developed their main product prior to ever starting work on Rift.  It was the server technology powering Rift.  This is what they've always wanted to be their big money maker.  Rift is simply a demonstration of the power of that server technology in action.

I know it's scary to think that there might actually be a financially successful themepark MMO out there made in the last year or so, but it's true.  Rift isn't a game suited to my taste, but I'll be damned if I want to see a quality company like Trion fail.  They're far from perfect, but they appear to have a solid work ethic and are dedicated to delivering a finished and polished product.  Instead of clamoring for these companies to fail we should be seeking to support companies like this one even if it's not through financial support, but simply by not tearing them down on forums for no reason except for the fact that we don't enjoy their game.

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1/17/12 11:37:19 AM#68
Originally posted by teakbois

Originally posted by Lafinatu

 It's not dishonest it's a PR spin. Dishonesty is removing a feature that was in a game and renaming a medium setting to high and not telling your paying customers. You know what I'm talking about.....


It is indeed dishonest.

They are saying they need these 11 servers for a trial promotion.  If they run a trial promotion with 44 NA servers I will eat my words, but they have 33 perfectly good trial servers so its pretty ludicrous to assume they need more.

Here is a way to spin it while being honest:

In order to create a better experience for players we are aanicng the population across the servers.

Doesnt use words 'merge' or 'close', but still contains truth.

So it is dishonest if they don't use the term merge when you want them to? it is dishonest if they call these old server trial servers instead of shutting them down completely? Welcome to the center of the universe, population one.

All they are doing is instead of actually shutting down servers and forcing people to move and loose their names on a preset schedule they are simply declaring servers to be old no longer recommended without going so far as actually calling them dead servers since they might use them some day in the future.

This is smart for several reasons. Some people are simply subborn and would rather play on a dying server than move somewhere else and loose a name or have to join a new guild or what ever. In this case, Trion is saying, ok your server is now flagged for people to go from rather than to and we really really recommend that you move somewhere else but we are not going to force you to move or force you to move in any particular time frame or even to force you to move to a particular server. you get to choose all the terms of your move. We are just recommending that you do move. And for those who absolutely never want to move, "I will play on this server 'til the day I die and you brats can't make me move", no matter what come hell or high water. Well, that is actually a workable choice. If thats what they want.

Second, If they do a super big promotion that does pull in enough new players to say fill 15 servers then they can direct those people to 15 of the trial servers. This way new people will be running with new people and enjoying all the low level areas and events just like we did in the first weeks of the game. Further, they don't have to worry as much with people filling up existing high pop servers and creating queues on them.

So is calling these old, semi-defunct servers trial servers dishonest? That is at least to strong a word for it. Sure it is putting a positive spin on an otherwise disappointing reality but they have not told anybody anything to purposely mislead. But it is also a reasonable terminology give they way that they chose to handle "server mergers."

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1/17/12 6:04:48 PM#69

Originally posted by VoIgore

This whole trial server PR spin is starting to get annoying.

"Bottom line is that we’re not merging any servers" -bottom line is your game is down from almost 1mio to about 150-200k within like 4 month.

Bottom line is that "we're not in Azeroth anymore" is now "there's not anyone in Telara anymore".

I still like the game, but Trion is getting on my nerves with their false pretends.


First, it's been well over 6 months (not 4 months).  Second, please provide a source for your numbers - I don't think Trion has ever published them.  I would certainly believe near 1m at launch.  I would not believe 80%+ loss of subs - there was a noticable drop when SWTOR released but I'd be willing to bet at least some of those people are still paying for Rift - even then, it was nowhere near an 80% decrease (and that's as a Guardian on Byriel which has always had a lower Guardian population so some of the losses have just been people transfering to higher-pop shards).

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1/18/12 2:17:04 PM#70

worst suport ever seen. on all mails only bot answering call us via phone call us via phone! damn have problems to call it (wrong number) and always this damn bot answering! Just wanted to change my password and i forgot 2 security quetion(all other details i remember correct)  Damn fkn trion support  make me to forget about my account i think  cause really dunno how to call the nu,mber they have on a site:(


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1/23/12 7:00:00 AM#71

I haven't believed Blizzard's 10 mill subs claim EVER, I believe it is the total number of subscribers EVER more likely.

I tried the trial after having left WoW 3.5 months after release, and I couldn't play it more than 10 mins, after all the downloads, deleted, it is now that pathetic to me vs games I have played since.

I would go back to Age of Conan,  EQ2, Rift, and even Vanguard before WoW.

I am still ticked off at their being no DAOC 2, Mythic really BLEW THAT op.

MMO wise I am only looking forward to Guild Wars 2 and Diablo 3, different styles though, I know.

I am skipper of that Star Wars thing.



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