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  NobleNerd

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1/14/12 10:34:47 AM#41

Most mmo companys add a few servers for promotional trial periods, not lock servers out and force players to merge to another one. If you read between the lines it stands to reason that they are getting ready for a f2p model soon or using the "trial server" excuse to merge people without letting on that they need to. Either way Rift is a fun game. I play now and then. It offers a different flavor to the WoW style gameplay. 


  sudo

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1/14/12 10:38:34 AM#42

I wonder how many servers will be left after GW2 release...

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  JeroKane

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1/14/12 12:37:13 PM#43



Originally posted by Robokapp



they're being smart. is not server-merging and its not ignoring the problem.




 




good for them. if only blizzard would do the same...







 




 This! People should take a good look at WoW's Realm list during primetime and see the vast majority of servers being Low populated!




Blizzard is really desperate to try keep up the appearance and just plain ignoring the inevitable! Which is only harming their paying playerbase, as a lot of people are stuck on low pop servers, unless they fork out a lot of cash to tranfer their toons to a high pop server... which has a high chance to become low pop too.





 

  Dinasty

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1/14/12 10:21:32 PM#44

Originally posted by VoIgore

This whole trial server PR spin is starting to get annoying.


"Bottom line is that we’re not merging any servers" -bottom line is your game is down from almost 1mio to about 150-200k within like 4 month.


Bottom line is that "we're not in Azeroth anymore" is now "there's not anyone in Telara anymore".


 


I still like the game, but Trion is getting on my nerves with their false pretends.



 




Link to your number source please, thanks.


  Skuall

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1/15/12 5:09:23 AM#45

to be fair (and im no bashing rift) my server was dead >< , i changed the pass and got 3 free days , log in , and the city was empty , /who 1-50 ........not even 20 ><


 


transfered 1 char to another server , boom , lots of ppl around


 


but thats mostly faction based ....


  xKingdomx

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1/15/12 5:40:50 AM#46

Peoples, look from a business point of view, what do you expect them to do?

Announcing "Oh SWTOR is way too popular and we are heavily losing subscribers? We will close down 50% of our servers and we definitely don't have confidence anymore."

They are a business, they need to do something about the bad situation ahead, and thats the choice they make. Does it matter if they are really losing subscribers or not? Unless everyone here plays rift, I don't see why people are fussing over. They need to maintain a business, and being subscription based allows almost no competition.

 

And thats why subscription method isn't a healthy situation for the MMO genre, it forces players to make a choice into which game to play, and face it, only hardcore players can maintain 2 or more subscription, which is like 8-10% of the market.

I don't think Rift will go free to play anytime soon, but Buy to play might be imminent, current market just doesn't allow too many AAA P2P games to survive with the casual playerbase growing and growing.

 

Oh and this also shows one thing, server maintance is dirt cheap now, if they are really losing subscribers as a lot here says, maintaining so many servers will thus cost them a lot of money, but from the trial servers shown, server cost is at least covered by box cost.

 

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  Reion1

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1/15/12 11:36:48 AM#47

I don't think trion is being dishonest about anything. If there were server mergers they wouldn't be able to spin it any way. What I don't understand about this community is that mostly everyone LOVES, simply LOVES to bash games without actually knowing the whole scoop. My favorite comments are "F2P by x" but I don't see that as much of a problem. F2P is not the death of a game it's a switch in business model, and believe me people love F2P. So, If trion did decide to go F2P by X their revenue would shoot up because as it stands there is literally nothing to play on the market. And let me now say that what is on the market is going to go F2P by X because that is where the future of MMORPGS appears to be going. People rather download the game and see if it is worth their time and when they get hooked they end up blowing cash on virtual items, it's inevitable.

I'm sure someone is going to debate this with me but in my opinion RIFT is a great game, and trion is a great dev company and they are constantly proving it by releasing these new patches. They don't just add dungeons with rehashed boss models, they also add whole new lands for free. They don't just slap some title nex to RIFT, call it an expansion and make you shell out cash like certain devs do because they have already established a player base and are milking them for all they are worth. Trion stands by their product and are trying their best to give their players what they ask for. The only problem I do see is that trion is having to deal with a community that is so critical, judgemental and negative without any real reasoning behind that it that I almost feel that with every offical statement trion makes they should link an achieve before they proceed.

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  FrodoFragins

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1/15/12 1:21:15 PM#48
Originally posted by xKingdomx

Peoples, look from a business point of view, what do you expect them to do?

Announcing "Oh SWTOR is way too popular and we are heavily losing subscribers? We will close down 50% of our servers and we definitely don't have confidence anymore."

How about treating customers honestly.  Just say that they are consolidating servers to maintain the high quality multiplayer experience for everyone.

 

This is a dumb move by Trion that isn't fooling anyone.

  xKingdomx

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1/15/12 6:58:46 PM#49
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
Originally posted by xKingdomx

Peoples, look from a business point of view, what do you expect them to do?

Announcing "Oh SWTOR is way too popular and we are heavily losing subscribers? We will close down 50% of our servers and we definitely don't have confidence anymore."

How about treating customers honestly.  Just say that they are consolidating servers to maintain the high quality multiplayer experience for everyone.

 

This is a dumb move by Trion that isn't fooling anyone.

Another point of view, if everyone understand why they are doing this trial server, they are hinting to everyone that they are doing server merge. But from a business angle, they can't admit that they are losing money, especially for a company that has move onto the share market, or they will mean huge consequences for their shares, possibly the downfall of the company considering Rift is their only game out right now.

 

If Blizzard lost subscribers, they can't say we have lost *insert number* amount of players, but focus attention that they are still going very strong.

They is how business goes, they can't openly admit losses because investers will take heavier note on that. But instead they need to focus on positives. And as how a lot of people have said, thats the PR machine.

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  FrodoFragins

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1/15/12 7:06:25 PM#50
Originally posted by xKingdomx
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
Originally posted by xKingdomx

Peoples, look from a business point of view, what do you expect them to do?

Announcing "Oh SWTOR is way too popular and we are heavily losing subscribers? We will close down 50% of our servers and we definitely don't have confidence anymore."

How about treating customers honestly.  Just say that they are consolidating servers to maintain the high quality multiplayer experience for everyone.

 

This is a dumb move by Trion that isn't fooling anyone.

Another point of view, if everyone understand why they are doing this trial server, they are hinting to everyone that they are doing server merge. But from a business angle, they can't admit that they are losing money, especially for a company that has move onto the share market, or they will mean huge consequences for their shares, possibly the downfall of the company considering Rift is their only game out right now.

 

If Blizzard lost subscribers, they can't say we have lost *insert number* amount of players, but focus attention that they are still going very strong.

They is how business goes, they can't openly admit losses because investers will take heavier note on that. But instead they need to focus on positives. And as how a lot of people have said, thats the PR machine.

Blizzard has to report those numbers, which is how we know they lost something like 1.7 million subscribers in a year.  They avoid server merges by offering cross server group finding.

 

Investors know exactly how much revenue has gone down.  Trion can't hide those numbers from them.  Players on small servers also know when the population has taken a nosedive.

 

Trion has been building a solid reputation.  This marketing gimmick is a move in teh wrong direction.

  Uhwop

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1/15/12 7:25:48 PM#51
Originally posted by JDexter

I play Rift, I like the game, and I like the content updates, they always do a good job for the most part (bugs aside).


 


That being said, the way the community team is managing the situation is shameless.  They is virtually ZERO interation with their customers on this, it was sprung upon us with no post, and if you question it, or point out issues, they lock the threads down, or give infractions, or delete them outright.  And we''re talking just regular posts, not ragequit posts, not troll posts.


The damage their community team is causing, to me, seems far worse than these actual merges (call them what you will, but they're merges).  


Hartsman should have been right out there initially with a Producer's letter, prior to this, explaining the new year goals, and this could have been included.


Yes, I smell f2p too.  I have no intention of quitting at this time, but the community team's actions are definitely pushing me out the door.  F2P would seal it.


 

We'll ignore the huge server message that they put up a week ahead of time. 

We'll also ignore the posts that they made in each of the forums for the servers that are effected.

We'll ignore the multiple threads, that were made the day the server message and forum messages were posted, in the general discussion forums; many of which were the same exact thing you wrote.  Which is interesting seeing as they're COMPLAINING A WEEK BEFORE THE REQUESTED TRANSFER DATE.

If we just ignore all that, then yes, they never told anyone, and they're closing or licking threads made about the issue.

If we just ignore all the truths and common sense, then everything you said would actually be sensible.

We'll even ignore the fact that if you aren't following the game, and happen to return after the 18th, that your characters will be sitting on the server they recomended.

We can even ignore the fact that if you're in a guild, on one of the effected servers, and the guild leader transfers, you get a message that pops up in guild chat and in the middle of the screen telling you what server the guild leader moved to.  We'll ignore that everyone in poorly run guilds, with guild leaders who don't discuss things with their members, have no trouble at all following thier guild.

I'll even go a little further and ignore the fact that they aren't restricting transfers to one per account, and that I moved all my characters off one server to another the same night. 

I'll just ignore how easy it was to transfer.

 

Becuase if we can ignore all the facts, truths, logic, and common sense, we can start to pretend that Trion is behaiving like a bunch of douches, giving us a weeks notice about the transfers via the forums and server message.

How dare they make me change my name, and then delete my thread because there are already a half dozen threads exactly like the one I made, and give me an infaction because I kept on making post after post about the topic after they locked 3 other duplicate threads I made!  How dare they!!!

 

  Anduri

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1/16/12 6:32:51 AM#52

It strikes me reading this thread that the Trion hate stems from them cockblocking the haters "server mergers! game failing!" threads that would inevitable litter the internet at the first opportunity.

There is so much angst by people that they can't get their little knife in its laughable. I almost feel people have them typed up and are ready to hit submit only to be repeatedly denied by the trial servers argument.

I mean, really. You're never going to buy another Trion product becasue of this "dishonesty". And when they go free to play and make use of the servers are you going to come back here and tell us how you got it wrong?

 

  JDexter

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1/16/12 7:32:08 AM#53

Originally posted by Uhwop


Originally posted by JDexter


I play Rift, I like the game, and I like the content updates, they always do a good job for the most part (bugs aside).




 




That being said, the way the community team is managing the situation is shameless.  They is virtually ZERO interation with their customers on this, it was sprung upon us with no post, and if you question it, or point out issues, they lock the threads down, or give infractions, or delete them outright.  And we''re talking just regular posts, not ragequit posts, not troll posts.




The damage their community team is causing, to me, seems far worse than these actual merges (call them what you will, but they're merges).  




Hartsman should have been right out there initially with a Producer's letter, prior to this, explaining the new year goals, and this could have been included.




Yes, I smell f2p too.  I have no intention of quitting at this time, but the community team's actions are definitely pushing me out the door.  F2P would seal it.




 



We'll ignore the huge server message that they put up a week ahead of time. 


We'll also ignore the posts that they made in each of the forums for the servers that are effected.


We'll ignore the multiple threads, that were made the day the server message and forum messages were posted, in the general discussion forums; many of which were the same exact thing you wrote.  Which is interesting seeing as they're COMPLAINING A WEEK BEFORE THE REQUESTED TRANSFER DATE.


If we just ignore all that, then yes, they never told anyone, and they're closing or licking threads made about the issue.


If we just ignore all the truths and common sense, then everything you said would actually be sensible.


We'll even ignore the fact that if you aren't following the game, and happen to return after the 18th, that your characters will be sitting on the server they recomended.


We can even ignore the fact that if you're in a guild, on one of the effected servers, and the guild leader transfers, you get a message that pops up in guild chat and in the middle of the screen telling you what server the guild leader moved to.  We'll ignore that everyone in poorly run guilds, with guild leaders who don't discuss things with their members, have no trouble at all following thier guild.


I'll even go a little further and ignore the fact that they aren't restricting transfers to one per account, and that I moved all my characters off one server to another the same night. 


I'll just ignore how easy it was to transfer.


 


Becuase if we can ignore all the facts, truths, logic, and common sense, we can start to pretend that Trion is behaiving like a bunch of douches, giving us a weeks notice about the transfers via the forums and server message.


How dare they make me change my name, and then delete my thread because there are already a half dozen threads exactly like the one I made, and give me an infaction because I kept on making post after post about the topic after they locked 3 other duplicate threads I made!  How dare they!!!


 



 


 



We'll ignore that the server message was not huge, but a single line upon log in.


 


We'll ignore the fact that the messages on the server forums were posted the day AFTER a crapstorm hit the forums, and it wasn't a discussion, it was a statement, and any valid questions by people affected were summarily ignored (ie, all char names are taken, not enough slots on destination, etc).


 


We'll ignore the fact that you don't know what you are talking about, that if you return to the game after the 18th, your character will be sitting on the trial shard, not the recommended shard, no move happens without you initiating it.


 


So how about cutting the fanboi crap, or should we just ignore that too.


 


Sorry I hurt your feelings, but maybe you should do a little research before you spout off ignorant fanboism, huh?


 

  MMOGamer71

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1/16/12 7:35:41 AM#54
Originally posted by Master10K



Originally posted by Puremallace






Originally posted by SBFord





I don't think that F2P is imminent. Rift has a healthy server population and a good subscriber base (my own edit). That's very good news for Trion.


Given that the game is coming up on its first anniversary, it's pretty much a given that Trion will be making a big promotional push. Having the servers ready to roll is smart.



I mean copying that free up to lvl 20 thing WoW does.




I think Rift was offering that free trial to level 15 before WoW, since the only reason why I got into Rift was because of their initial free trials back in May.





 

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  oobla

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1/16/12 7:46:30 AM#55

Well I was going to buy the years sub it sounded like a reallly good deal .

The thing is even though I'm a big fan of Rift I seriously think it may be a cash grab before free to play gets introduced . As it stands I think I'm going to stick to the months sub as theres a few mmos that should be released this year that I have interest in .

I personally give it a 50-50 chance  of going free to play in a year . I love the game but I don't like those odds at all .

  Uhwop

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1/16/12 3:49:12 PM#56
Originally posted by JDexter

Originally posted by Uhwop


Originally posted by JDexter


I play Rift, I like the game, and I like the content updates, they always do a good job for the most part (bugs aside).




 




That being said, the way the community team is managing the situation is shameless.  They is virtually ZERO interation with their customers on this, it was sprung upon us with no post, and if you question it, or point out issues, they lock the threads down, or give infractions, or delete them outright.  And we''re talking just regular posts, not ragequit posts, not troll posts.




The damage their community team is causing, to me, seems far worse than these actual merges (call them what you will, but they're merges).  




Hartsman should have been right out there initially with a Producer's letter, prior to this, explaining the new year goals, and this could have been included.




Yes, I smell f2p too.  I have no intention of quitting at this time, but the community team's actions are definitely pushing me out the door.  F2P would seal it.




 


We'll ignore the huge server message that they put up a week ahead of time. 


We'll also ignore the posts that they made in each of the forums for the servers that are effected.


We'll ignore the multiple threads, that were made the day the server message and forum messages were posted, in the general discussion forums; many of which were the same exact thing you wrote.  Which is interesting seeing as they're COMPLAINING A WEEK BEFORE THE REQUESTED TRANSFER DATE.


If we just ignore all that, then yes, they never told anyone, and they're closing or licking threads made about the issue.


If we just ignore all the truths and common sense, then everything you said would actually be sensible.


We'll even ignore the fact that if you aren't following the game, and happen to return after the 18th, that your characters will be sitting on the server they recomended.


We can even ignore the fact that if you're in a guild, on one of the effected servers, and the guild leader transfers, you get a message that pops up in guild chat and in the middle of the screen telling you what server the guild leader moved to.  We'll ignore that everyone in poorly run guilds, with guild leaders who don't discuss things with their members, have no trouble at all following thier guild.


I'll even go a little further and ignore the fact that they aren't restricting transfers to one per account, and that I moved all my characters off one server to another the same night. 


I'll just ignore how easy it was to transfer.


 


Becuase if we can ignore all the facts, truths, logic, and common sense, we can start to pretend that Trion is behaiving like a bunch of douches, giving us a weeks notice about the transfers via the forums and server message.


How dare they make me change my name, and then delete my thread because there are already a half dozen threads exactly like the one I made, and give me an infaction because I kept on making post after post about the topic after they locked 3 other duplicate threads I made!  How dare they!!!


 



 

 



We'll ignore that the server message was not huge, but a single line upon log in.

You're doing it again.  Nowhere in my post did I say anything about a "huge" server message.  It was the MoTD.
 


We'll ignore the fact that the messages on the server forums were posted the day AFTER a crapstorm hit the forums, and it wasn't a discussion, it was a statement, and any valid questions by people affected were summarily ignored (ie, all char names are taken, not enough slots on destination, etc).
 

How far in advance is that from the 18th?  So the developers can't leave sticky messages on the forums that are announcements that aren't up for discussion. 
 


We'll ignore the fact that you don't know what you are talking about, that if you return to the game after the 18th, your character will be sitting on the trial shard, not the recommended shard, no move happens without you initiating it.

Are you telling me you don't have to move?  Are you telling me that if you wish to you could just stay on the server you're already on?  Are you saying that you don't have to worry about your name, or not enough space on a single server because you can stay on the server you're currently on? 
 


So how about cutting the fanboi crap, or should we just ignore that too.
 
How about not overeacting?


 


Sorry I hurt your feelings, but maybe you should do a little research before you spout off ignorant fanboism, huh?


 

 

  teakbois

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1/16/12 4:01:44 PM#57
Originally posted by Reion1

I don't think trion is being dishonest about anything. 

So you think that Trion intends to announce a promotion so amazing it will attract almost 3 times as many people currently playing the game?  Because that is what Trion said they are doing.  They now have 16 NA servers and 42 NA trial servers.   

  JDexter

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1/16/12 4:15:24 PM#58

Your words Uhwop:

What you're saying:
You're doing it again.  Nowhere in my post did I say anything about a "huge" server message.  It was the MoTD.

And what you posted before:
We'll ignore the huge server message that they put up a week ahead of time. 


Can't even quote yourself and get it right, sheesh.  

  Wraithone

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If you can't kill it, don't make it mad.

1/16/12 11:16:46 PM#59

Anyone who has been paying attention should have expected this.  With free transfers to other servers, many shards ended up as ghost towns. I know I transfered my two 50s (warrior and rogue) to one of the high population shards. I'm just surprised that its taken them this long. But thats likely because of the hysterical reaction many of the Haters would have.  Lets be real. 250 to 300K players is not small potatoes. Even 150 to 200K is still pretty damn healthy, especially for a first game.  I've been playing The Old Republic for the last month or so, but if they have some interesting content, I may go back to Rift for awhile. 

  illutian

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"Our greatest glory is not in never falling but in rising everytime we fall." - Confucius

1/17/12 12:47:27 AM#60

Originally posted by sudo

I wonder how many servers will be left after GW2 release...



 


Pretty much think the age of MMOs is over. I throughly enjoy Co-op now more than I do my MMOs. There's just something to be said about sitting down with friends and blugeoning the crap outta things :D


"Our greatest glory is not in never falling but in rising everytime we fall." - Confucius

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