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General Discussion  » Guild Wars 2: WTF no Raids

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  svann

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Joined: 12/06/06
Posts: 1197

1/15/12 12:23:42 PM#81

My problem with traditional raids is:

1. There are too many people to let everyone talk.  You shut up an listen to the plan.  Not saying you are not allowed to give input but its nothing like a group activity where you can speak up at any time.

1B.  Otoh there is always some idiot that comes drunk and wont shut up.

2. You are expected to show up on time, then wait a half hour for late comers. 

3. You are expected to stay for hours at a time and its bad form to leave in the middle.  "Oh man, we need you bro.  We are almost there!"

 

I like raiding but I hate it at the same time.

  semantikron

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Joined: 11/26/07
Posts: 242

1/15/12 12:31:30 PM#82
Originally posted by svann

..I like raiding but I hate it at the same time.

Ditto.  The intensity can be really fun.  But there's just too many things interfering with it to bother.  Was fun and absorbing for a while, though.

Charr: Outta my way.
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  Requiamer

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Joined: 5/20/05
Posts: 2051

1/15/12 12:39:50 PM#83

For me they are 2 big advantages in the ways GW2 do it:
Boss fight are now closer to the old school big scale pve fight, you'll have a lot more (or less) people and won't have to deal with the organization part that was a pain.
Interesting pve, some call it "competitive pve", is now for the 5 men team in dungeons, and might be easier to make, thus more interesting.

The only downside is that Guilds now loose their best and easiest guild event, so they'll have to find something else for their weekly gathering.

  nomss

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Joined: 7/21/10
Posts: 1465

1/15/12 12:47:14 PM#84

One more, I do not understand why the OP has not changed his title because it is quite misleading. There are raids in GW2. Would you mind defining what raid is to you?

Guild Wars 2's 50 minutes game play video:
http://n4g.com/news/592585/guild-wars-2-50-minutes-of-pure-gameplay
Everything We Know about GW2:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/287180/page/1

  Master10K

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Joined: 10/18/10
Posts: 3086

 
1/15/12 6:25:55 PM#85
Originally posted by semantikron
Originally posted by svann

..I like raiding but I hate it at the same time.

Ditto.  The intensity can be really fun.  But there's just too many things interfering with it to bother.  Was fun and absorbing for a while, though.

Same here. i enjoy the challenge that comes with raiding and the rewarding feeling you can get at the end of a really difficult encounter, but I absolutely hate the logistics of raiding.

  Ikeda

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Joined: 10/07/10
Posts: 1480

1/15/12 6:29:36 PM#86

I don't miss the Raiding per say.  What I miss was having 2-3 Raids worth of people to take down a world boss just to say we did.  Getting 20 people together to run a checklist of an instance is meh.  Worth it once for the story.  Maybe once or twice more for the gear.  Once it begins to be something you have to run weekly, you've lost me.  Some of the best times were doing stuff that people didn't expect (kiting some figures into major towns, huge raids on opposite factions of towns, etc).  Instances feel.... instanced.

  KingJiggly

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Joined: 8/03/11
Posts: 807

Definition for innovation is below. Your welcome.

1/15/12 6:41:04 PM#87
Originally posted by nomss

One more, I do not understand why the OP has not changed his title because it is quite misleading. There are raids in GW2. Would you mind defining what raid is to you?

Please read  the very first post. It is a discussion on a video named that (that video DOES NOT bang Gw2 btw).

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/innovation

  User Deleted
1/15/12 6:41:15 PM#88

i think it's the most awesome thing about gw2.

the devs have decided everyone should see everything they've done and everyone can take part. this is amazing and a real privilege and i hope they continue with this ethos because it's absolutely the one reason i'd have subbed at even 30 bucks a month for this game. it's inclusive, not exclusive.

they haven't done away with hard content, just exclusive content. their concept of dynamic epic bosses looks brilliant and much more exciting than an instanced dungeon. you never know who will show up for the fight at your side and you'll probably make more friends in game. and that's what this game seems all about - bringing gamers together in a positive way rather than in a suspicious and egotistical way.

thankyou, gw2. you're my only hope.

  User Deleted
1/15/12 6:44:37 PM#89

Can't be the only one who see this as a negative can I?

 

At the end of the day no raids= Less content to do imo.

  Loke666

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Joined: 10/29/07
Posts: 15540

1/15/12 6:45:34 PM#90
Originally posted by nomss

One more, I do not understand why the OP has not changed his title because it is quite misleading. There are raids in GW2. Would you mind defining what raid is to you?

Because the vid he linked to is named so, you should really have watched the vid before starting to ask questions like this. :)

  User Deleted
1/15/12 6:46:54 PM#91
Originally posted by Master10K

After his video on Guild Wars 2's lack of a Dedicated Healer and it's lack of a Subscription fee. Youtube user WoodenPotatoes has made yet another enlightening video, on the game's lack of Raids.

 

Watch Here

good vid, that.

  KhinRunite

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Joined: 11/05/10
Posts: 732

1/15/12 6:57:28 PM#92
Originally posted by Snaylor47

Can't be the only one who see this as a negative can I?

 

At the end of the day no raids= Less content to do imo.

These "raids" that is now a common term for instanced large group dungeon crawling has been converted into Dynamic Events, so your equation can't be correct.

I think it's safe to advertise that as a player, you will be "raiding" from Day 1.

  Master10K

Apprentice Member

Joined: 10/18/10
Posts: 3086

 
1/15/12 7:00:01 PM#93
Originally posted by nomss

One more, I do not understand why the OP has not changed his title because it is quite misleading. There are raids in GW2. Would you mind defining what raid is to you?

No, I won't change the title because it is exacttly the same title of the video. Also GW2 doesn't have raids. It has dynamic events and dungeons and if you were to tell a WoW, Rift or SW:TOR that GW2 has raids then that  would be misleading them. Allowing more than a party's worth of players, to beat on a boss monster, just doesn't make it a raid. It's all about providing the kind of experience a traditional raider expects and the rewards that come with it. Personally I'm glad that GW2 won't be even trying to appease the "so-called" hardcore raiders anyway.

  Eir_S

Elite Member

Joined: 8/07/11
Posts: 4107

GW2 socialist.

1/15/12 7:02:02 PM#94
Originally posted by Snaylor47

Can't be the only one who see this as a negative can I?

 

At the end of the day no raids= Less content to do imo.

At the end of the day?  Which day, the one where you stayed up to a reasonable hour having fun in a game that doesn't have crazy-stupid restrictions, or the end of the day where you spent an ungodly amount of time trying to get everyone together and then to cooperate, and then to decide on loot rules, and then to make sure everyone knows the fights, and then to listen to everyone bitch and moan anyway, and then to roll a 1 on the gear you waited a week to try and get?

Help me out here.

No.  Raids need to die.  They are a disgusting example of game companies taking advantage of human beings' codependent behavior.

no GW2 won't kill WoW, but it's time to move on and quit worrying about those people still playing it. - eyelolled

  Loke666

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Joined: 10/29/07
Posts: 15540

1/15/12 7:02:26 PM#95
Originally posted by Snaylor47

Can't be the only one who see this as a negative can I?

At the end of the day no raids= Less content to do imo.

Duh, unless they replace it with other stuff to do.

GW2 have PvE content for a lot more than 40 people at the same time. Taking away content is bad if you don't replace it with other content as ANET have done here.

  IPolygon

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Joined: 11/20/11
Posts: 666

1/15/12 7:08:00 PM#96
Originally posted by Snaylor47

Can't be the only one who see this as a negative can I?

 

At the end of the day no raids= Less content to do imo.

Oh, but you have raids. Try to defeat the hard dynamic events and come back.

  Master10K

Apprentice Member

Joined: 10/18/10
Posts: 3086

 
1/15/12 7:12:04 PM#97
Originally posted by IPolygon
Originally posted by Snaylor47

Can't be the only one who see this as a negative can I?

 

At the end of the day no raids= Less content to do imo.

Oh, but you have raids. Try to defeat the hard dynamic events and come back.

Nah, ANet replaced these "so-called" raids with a more difficult form of raiding... WvWVW. 100-man castle raids FTW

  tazarconan

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Joined: 1/03/07
Posts: 994

1/15/12 7:15:31 PM#98

I suspected this would appear as an issue for discussion after the long threads about the no rewarding gear from pvp or pve affairs of players during their playtime.

It makes sense since the devs choosed to have no gear rewards from pvp tournaments .Their next desicion would be no gear from raids as well. And with no gera rewards from raids who would bother to raid anwy.

It appears though they are going in a way which is risky cause one of the 2 things will happen.

1.Either the player community will embrace that and adventure (mindlesely?) in the wilds since there is no profit for that either ,and play ofc pvp tournaments and after a period of time will get bored from well just doing pvp tournaments aka wow arenas situation..

2.Or just do fast lvling jump str8 ahead to pvp tournaments get burned and bored even faster.

There is always ofc the laydown style enjoy the new areas u discover ,explore the so called random events that alter the world give desicions to the players and make it look like an adventure ,but dont forget .In order for that to happen,you know, the roleplay fewling u can get i mean, live the adventure requires alot of things, tools, continious improvement of the character also ,exploring the world of a game just to see it isnt enough by itself, the greatest thrill is when u explore caves ,mystic locations, tombs,ancient ruins in order to find great tresures and legendary items,shields weapons ect etc thats real deal for  adventurers and here sadly its absent and in your most important activities in this game (pvp tournaments),u gonna wear exactly what everyone else wears.

Im very sceptical about Gw2 cause for a player what will be in the game to do? Sit on the road? Sure we ll pvp alot. Point is that in wow for example form the time i used to login i had some things to do. 2-3 hours arenas, couple bg's to get some better gear, some rl friends whisped me to go to x dungeon to help x friend, some guildies organizing a raid for agter that. I could join some fellows in the corner that were roleplaying meanwhile, and all these things i did in wow which is famous for boredom and repeating same things over and over.

Just pvp tournaments though sounds too shallow for an mmorpg thats been so much hyped and advertised and delaying so much. Really.

  User Deleted
1/15/12 7:17:53 PM#99
Originally posted by IPolygon
Originally posted by Snaylor47

Can't be the only one who see this as a negative can I?

 

At the end of the day no raids= Less content to do imo.

Oh, but you have raids. Try to defeat the hard dynamic events and come back.

Those arn't raids.

 

That would be like calling Heroics in WoW raids.

 

And you kind of missed my point. No raids=Less content.

  pharazonic

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Joined: 8/22/11
Posts: 900

1/15/12 7:18:19 PM#100

Good riddance to raiding. 

"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."

I need to take this advice more.

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