and if Blizzard takes a small cut from the transaction in the process, so much the better. 
 

Why do most of the players ignore that it is not only Blizzard, it's Ebay (through Paypal). For me, this makes it even worse, but I am one of thos idealistic guys who think it is a good thing to NOT support companies with questionable policies (= paypal)

Originally posted by Mupf

 and if Blizzard takes a small cut from the transaction in the process, so much the better. 

 

Why do most of the players ignore that it is not only Blizzard, it's Ebay (through Paypal). For me, this makes it even worse, but I am one of thos idealistic guys who think it is a good thing to NOT support companies with questionable policies (= paypal)

 

You don't have to cash out (use paypal) you can keep the money in your Blizzard account and use it to buy wow subscriptions and stuff from blizzard shop.

But you also dont have to use the RMAH either.  Why is everyone getting so worked up over this?

You CANNOT cash out, from what I´ve read.

As with most cash shops once you turn currency into virtual Blizzard currency, there is no way back to RL currency.

Originally posted by korent1991

Originally posted by Wraithone

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by tawess

So what i get from this is that it is better to have a black market driven by hacking/duping and theft completley out of any ones controll then a legit source were Blizzard can monitor and support the user when something goes wrong? Because paying with real cash for tiems happen in the earlier Diablo games... No point in pretending like it did not. So it is not like this is a new invention.

 

But by all means, support the idea och black market trading and free for all scamming... It is a great motivation to protect... well i am not sure what you are trying to protect.

People that can think things through would see that this isn't going to control the black market that utilizes hacking and duping. What it WILL do is increase the amount of people that use such sites. It will increase the number of phishing and hacking attempts because there is more to gain. 

It increases all the negative behavoir you believe it will control and thats the only thing it can do there is no hope of this lessening any of this. 

All this was intended to do is give Blizz a cut of the money. It doesn't help the players. 

Seriously sit down and think this thing through, how does this help players?

Players can make money? Wrong, few will but most will not be able to compete with the prices set by RMTs. Some will get items from employees farming endlessly while others will obtain goods to sale by hacking accounts and stealing passwords. If you believe a single individual can realisticly compete with that then your kidding yourselves. 

 

 

 

Now if Blizzard were smart they would pull an APB. Players could sell items on the market place for Blizz Cash. Blizz cash can only be used in Blizzard games like WoW, D3, etc. You can pay for game time for games like WoW, use it on the market place, etc. 

That I would support. 

Not this crap that does nothing to help anyone but Blizzard and the RMTs. 

 

I suggest that you take your own advise ... and think this through. How many are going to go to some shady 3rd party site, and take the risk of malware or any number of other risks, when they can use the in game AH, which is secured *server* side by Blizzard?   This IS about protecting the players, and if Blizzard takes a small cut from the transaction in the process, so much the better.  This IS a business after all.  

When all is said and done, those who object to an either/or dynamic (in this case, time/money), have the option of not playing games that use that dynamic.   It really is that simple. 

The won't have to go to some 3rd party site because the 3rd party will come to them, and the 4th and the 5th and the 6th.... and so on. This game will be plagued with chineese farmers and hackers, it will have the most attacks on players accounts  because they will be in danger of someone stealing their information. The man said it right and you're claiming again it's for players protection xD. 

It IS ment only for blizzard and it's because they want some money out of it. They tried to fight chineese farmers in wow but it's just too many of them (let's face it, they are afterall chineese) so they just gave up and stood by there side. If nothing they could pull some money out of it, eh?... 

It's a nice tought that PLAYERS would be able to sell stuff to eachother trough this shop. But since there will be more farmers, hackers and scammers than actual players it's not that nice anymore. 

It will be plagued and it will happen fast.

It IS for the players protection.  Its also for Blizzards profit... ^^ Its in Blizzards best interests to keep the accounts secure, and to keep the profits flowing in.  I've no doubt that there will be a LOT of effort put into subverting the system, but Blizzard isn't some small indie game company with limited resources... Blizzard can afford to hire the most talented people, and purchase the most advanced hardware in the world.  Its going to be an interesting arms race. 

From what I understand about the new system, the majority of sensitive data remains *server* side. Its an established fact that anything client side is vulnerable (one has to consider it to be in the hands of the enemy).   Moving the RMT in house makes it easier to control, and also makes it over all safer for the players.  It also makes Blizzard some profit as well, but then this is a business. Over all, I'd much rather such things be handled in house, than through some shady 3rd party site. 

Originally posted by korent1991

Originally posted by Tombill

Originally posted by gaeanprayer

 

For God's sake, I wish people would think things like this through before posting. Who gives a shit if Blizzard compares the IPs and bans them, unless they can do it within seconds it's irrelevant. Do you know how much money could be made in the time it would take for them to sift through the IPs of the people playing, find the ones worth banning, and follow through with it? One would think the damage would already be done by then, no?

This is their (gold farmers) job, they have nothing better to do, so it doesn't matter if they get banned, they just make a new account and start all over. The price of a box is nothing compared to the money there is to be made.

 It is not within seconds it is within miliseconds... on distances as short as 50 kms ...

;))) It is an automated tool/script  they installed around 6 months ago.

I tested it with a friend: his account was blocked in a second. Fully automated.

 

edit: the "victim" gets an email that his account is blocked due to suspicious IP access within seconds.

The access is blocked for X time and reactiviation is necessary with a new pasword.

Now look who isn't "up to date" ... :)))

 

so this would mean if I play the game in the evening at my home, and early tomorrow I'm on a bussines trip to another country and I log in to the game at noon when I get there (I happen to have few hours to spare before I can met the person I have arranged meeting with) I'll get a ban instantly? :D 

I'm sure a lot of people are traveling this days on a daily basis eh?

Yes, thats how it works. I've seen it in practice. I didn't get a ban, but I did get a auto request for my authenticator (which I had with me ^^).  After I got back home, I got another auto request for my autheticator.  So they ARE checking log in IP's in real time.  Thats just the tip of the iceberg in terms of what can be done, if a company cares enough to put time/talent and money into dealing with these problems. 

I doubt the decision to remove the RMT auction house in South Korea will have much of an impact in EU/NA.

Sure there will be a lot of debating but in the end all the Blizzard fans (and a lot of other gamesplayers) will buy D3 while others (including me) will prefer the most obvious alternative, Torchlight II.

With or without RMT auctionhouse, my money is with Torchlight II for a lot of reasons. Mod-support being one of them.

Really the only way to please the people who hate the idea of people being able to buy items is to completely disable any form of trading.

Lets say ... no RMT... well people are still going to go to those shady sites to buy stuff anyway.

But with RMT, your more everyday kind of person will be partaking in it.

Pve wise, RMT doesn't mean ****, 4 freekin people per game. There aren't raids... no addon support (dmg meters).

Pvp, can't really say much, haven't been able to really test it much to see how big a part gear would play.

I think, once I have good gear, then go to pvp and beat people, I'm going to falsely claim that I bought all my gear just to troll them.

I guess I better get started on learning korean.  I sure as hell don't want to play on NA servers with RMT...there's a reason why people hate RMT...and Blizzard just joined the ranks of an RMT company.  They don't even have to pay thier employees...I mean players....

I've never seen a game that went from 100% "I'm so getting this game 1 second after launch" to "Nope, I wouldn't touch it with a 39 and a half foot pole" so quickly lol.

Originally posted by Gravarg

I guess I better get started on learning korean.  I sure as hell don't want to play on NA servers with RMT...there's a reason why people hate RMT...and Blizzard just joined the ranks of an RMT company.  They don't even have to pay thier employees...I mean players....

/yawn

Blizzards RMAH is the ultimate player driven economy - these items do not appear out of thin air, a player needs to find the item(s) by playing the game choose not to use it themselves, break it down for mats, sell it for gold, keep it for the future or give it to a friend before he might consider the RMAH.  What ever he does there is still only one of that item if he dosen't use it some one else might as well and if a few $ changes hands in a secure enviroment then whats the harm?

That or we have;

• All items Bind of Pickup
• Dodgy 3rd party website selling items and stealing peoples accounts

Now lets all stop acting like 5 year olds, and grow up.  It's my bed time.

Honestly RMT transactions will be in most games anyways and this way they can regulate it as well.

Also if you play alot and get good items you will be able to make some real money back.

See Diablo 2 prices and we should get something similar.

Most high level items 50c to $2 and only the rarest are worth hundreds.

This will benefit both sides except in the case where someones account gets stolen or cc, but thats something else.

Originally posted by crazynanny
In every single MMO game out there the stuff I earn during playing is worth nothing, in D3 I can sell it(in both cases legally that is). No matter how low farmers will try to undercut, I can do it more and still get a profit unlike in every other game. This is interesting enough to try and see how it works. Blizz got balls fer sure.

That's my favourite argumentation from those who like the idea. Everyone who will use the RMAH says, yeah, I can finally make a profit... guys, there is no business where everyone makes a profit, and for sure none where you have fees on every aspect of the process. So who is gonna lose? Hand me some popcorn, this is gonna be fun...

 Heh , the only thing I'll write here is this : RMT should be punishable by death.

You heard correctly.  You want RMT? Then go play texas hold'em online or something , they don't belong in RPG's.  Just the fact that D3 is online only makes it crappy , and having a lame Auction house I can already smell the botters from miles away. D2 got out of hand after Expansion came out. It had BARELY no botting before Xpac , once Xpac got out , it was like holy jesus on wheels , botters left and right. Good job on S. Korea on stepping in.  +1 for them.

Originally posted by Mupf

Originally posted by crazynanny

In every single MMO game out there the stuff I earn during playing is worth nothing, in D3 I can sell it(in both cases legally that is). No matter how low farmers will try to undercut, I can do it more and still get a profit unlike in every other game. This is interesting enough to try and see how it works. Blizz got balls fer sure.

That's my favourite argumentation from those who like the idea. Everyone who will use the RMAH says, yeah, I can finally make a profit... guys, there is no business where everyone makes a profit, and for sure none where you have fees on every aspect of the process. So who is gonna lose? Hand me some popcorn, this is gonna be fun...

 

^This.

Its pretty simple RMT should never have been in the game in the first place.

Its funny how poeple bash F2P games ( usaully because of claims pay2win or claims of only lazy poor people play them)

The RMT system in diablo3 will so make this the ultimate pay2win game EVER

Was the most lame idea ever and the reason i will never play it.

I wonder what the IRS view on poeple making money in this game will be ? LMAO

Will they charge you with tax evasion if you dont declare your "earnings"

Personaly i cant wait if my calulations are correct i can make better than the US minimium wage selling wolf pelts!

Thats right every morning im gona wake up @ 5am and start farming wolfs by noon i will have slaughtered somwhere in the neihborhhod of 100 wolfs (Hey im a noob ok!)

Anyway in a week or two after beta ends ill be multiboxing an amy of wolf killers muhahahaha!

Originally posted by aslan132

 This just keeps it in house, safer for the player, and discourages scams and farmers. 

LOL! This guy has to be trolling or something because noone could logically deduct that on their own.

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by cpoustie

Sure Blizzard may ship it with no offline mode, I give it at most 1 month before someone like Skidrow/Reloaded/Razor1911 have cracked/engineered a work-around.  Depending on popularity maybe a few more months after said crack for a Hamachi port to appear for lan play.

The sad part is if it were offline/lan-able out of the box, with no RMT AH they would most likely have a couple hundred thousand more sales instead of people waiting for above pirates.

This is both sad and true lol. 

Blizzards new approach to online Piracy is to force people to do it XD. 

This will likely go the way of Real ID, large ammount of protesting and etc. but the problem is this will likely be a little to late to stop it. Blizzard will be the one to lose in this though, not the players because yes... some are already getting prepped to give people offline mode. 

 Seriously what is going on here?  Steam comes to mind to combat piracy.  For crying out loud nearly all the big players are trying and successfully forcing online only type games or purchases.  I do not see a large section saying companies should changed and go back to boxed sales only, and as we all know all the money in gaming is through wannabe games on facebook and mobile apps.  Yet everyone is tearing at the few game companies that actually make video games.

I can't believe people still don't get why this is implemented.  Go install Diablo II and see the items for sale. and the websites for a now 11 1/2 year old game.  People will buy items from Diablo III with or without Blizzard.  Hackers will still hack and botters will still bot the same as they do now on cattle.net.  Hell probably half of the users on here have bought gold in a game at some point.  If we must bitch about something related to Diablo III, lets bitch about not getting our beta key even though we've been a blizzard supporter since Warcraft: Orcs and Humans as well as complain about the total lack of a release because hey its done when its done.

Something that really bothers me about the RMAH is where does it fall with respect to taxation? This is a grey area that I can see becoming a problem for the gamer.

What do I mean by this? Well, anything that makes a person money could in essence be taxable. How would a government tax something like D3 though? Would it just assume that every player who plays D3 uses the RMAH even if they don't? Does that mean you have to declare games like D3 in the future on one's tax forms even if you don't make a cent from the game?

Black market is black market: the revenues people make in the game don't affect me, but once something is made legitimate like this RMAH thing, it will affect me whether I use it or not. I don't like mixing entertainment with things like taxation, gambling, etc.

Perhaps my questions might seem strange, but in light of the economic crisis and governments taxing just about everything to try to nickle and dime their citizens and residents, I think the day that people will start making real money (not chump change) on something like this RMAH is the day we will attract the ugly attention of governments in our hobby. We are just speculating that things will sell for cheap, but I have this bad hunch that that might not be true in every case. It all depends on what Blizzard puts in for drop rates for certain items.

I will still be getting D3 and playing it, but am not going to be using the RMAH since I want to keep real life and virtual gaming separate as much as possible, but the day I have to declare I am a D3 player on my tax form is the day I quit gaming online.

Way I see it is "Single player game with cash shop".  Activision/Blizzard has become the most greedy company in the world. Now let's see how many other dev's use RMT in single player games all because these greedy aholes did it.

"It's to stop bots/exploiters/dupes". Give me a break it's a way to line their pockets even more.