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  truthhurts

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1/14/12 10:34:48 AM#21
Originally posted by WellzyC
 
 I really hope that its not that I’m losing interest in the genre and its more that the quality of the games are going down hill.
 
 
 

Its definitely the quality.  The last great MMORPGs were released in late 2004, although EQ2 didnt really become great until 2006ish.  Since then the best weve gotten is Rift and SWTOR, which are both steps backward from 2004 and very lacking in that ability to suck you into their world.

 

The magic is gone, because the developers dont know how to use it.  

  Cacophanist

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1/14/12 10:34:54 AM#22

If you are all complaining so much about the MMOs out at present why the hell do you play games like WOW, WAR, LOTR, SWTOR, RIFT(!) ???

You all complain about ow shit modern MMOs are but the vast majority of you have never played and supported Darkfall, Mortal Online or Xsyon.

Next time some new innovative game comes out buy it to support it, don't just keep playing the same old clones in new skin time and time again. I mean do really 11 million people still play WOW? That is 11 million people that have very low tastes and are probably mentally ill. I mean you would have to be mentally ill to play WOW.

Seriously less whining and more support of the alternatives. If Mortal Online or Dakfall had some more money behind them they could be truely great games.

  SpottyGekko

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1/14/12 11:40:18 AM#23
Originally posted by Cacophanist

If you are all complaining so much about the MMOs out at present why the hell do you play games like WOW, WAR, LOTR, SWTOR, RIFT(!) ???

You all complain about ow shit modern MMOs are but the vast majority of you have never played and supported Darkfall, Mortal Online or Xsyon.

Next time some new innovative game comes out buy it to support it, don't just keep playing the same old clones in new skin time and time again. I mean do really 11 million people still play WOW? That is 11 million people that have very low tastes and are probably mentally ill. I mean you would have to be mentally ill to play WOW.

Seriously less whining and more support of the alternatives. If Mortal Online or Dakfall had some more money behind them they could be truely great games.

That may well be true, but they didn't and therefore they aren't.

 

I bought and played Darkfall, MO (2 copies) and Xsyon (2 copies), in that order. Xsyon was such an appaling mess that I actually asked for (and received) a refund on both copies of the game.

 

Expecting your playerbase to fund your development is NEVER going to work. Nobody is going to pay a monthly AAA-level sub for a game that is riddled with bugs and exploits, no matter how much the developers promise that it will improve "in the future". Especially not when the pace of development indicates that "in the future" is actually 1 or 2 years from now, at BEST !

 

Small indie teams just don't have what it takes to produce a game that launches with a decent feature set, good gameplay and relatively minor bugs. They usually lack technical expertise and game design experience, and they always lack the capacity to produce results quickly.

 

I have lost all hope that some unknown indie startup is going to build a really good MMO. The bar on quality and content is just way too high for them.

  truthhurts

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1/14/12 11:47:53 AM#24
Originally posted by Cacophanist

 

You all complain about ow shit modern MMOs are but the vast majority of you have never played and supported Darkfall, Mortal Online or Xsyon.

 

People generally do not want FFA PvP, and Xyson was a colossal pile of turds

  Palladin

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1/14/12 4:45:06 PM#25
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by WellzyC
 
Yeah I played EQ, daoc, Asherons Call.. But I also had that feeling in Vanilla WoW and up to the first part of the Lich King. Considering that it wasn’t that long ago, I have to assume that mmos still have that power over me. Perhaps too many companies are trying to jump on the band wagon and are just Crapping out mmos to get a subscription fee.
 
 
Spending almost 200 bucks on new mmos in the past year and not playing them for more than 2 weeks. I really hope that  what I fear isn’t true.
 
 
I want a game that Makes me want to quit my job, lock my self into a closet with my computer and refuse to believe my real name isn’t my characters name.
 
Of course I would never admit that to anyone i actually know in real life.
 
Remember when you were playing an MMO and it was all you could think about at work? Looking at your watch itching to get home to defend your realm, or go on that awesome raid, or what ever it was. I really miss that feeling.
When you ACTULY had to decide to go to the irl party or goto the raid   =)  
 
 
Its been almost 2 years, I refuse to believe that the magic is gone. I really hope that its not that I’m losing interest in the genre and its more that the quality of the games are going down hill.
 
Here’s to 2012...  Hope it gets better!
 

 

Greed

 

The moment publishers realize that building a world around MONEY, rather than around QUALITY, is a failing prospect is the moment the MMO genre returns to a place of glory. Until that time, Greed will continue to destroy many publisher names until they are no longer operating. SOE itself has been FORCED to return to its roots (Planetside & EQ) in order to keep itself from ruin. If they ruin those two franchises their company is a bust.

:) i wouldn't cry over the loss.

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  Comaf

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Joined: 7/13/10
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I want an mmorpg where pvp matters, my enemies are not my race or class, and community matters.

1/14/12 4:54:51 PM#26
Originally posted by WellzyC
 
Yeah I played EQ, daoc, Asherons Call.. But I also had that feeling in Vanilla WoW and up to the first part of the Lich King. Considering that it wasn’t that long ago, I have to assume that mmos still have that power over me. Perhaps too many companies are trying to jump on the band wagon and are just Crapping out mmos to get a subscription fee.
 
 
Spending almost 200 bucks on new mmos in the past year and not playing them for more than 2 weeks. I really hope that  what I fear isn’t true.
 
 
I want a game that Makes me want to quit my job, lock my self into a closet with my computer and refuse to believe my real name isn’t my characters name.
 
Of course I would never admit that to anyone i actually know in real life.
 
Remember when you were playing an MMO and it was all you could think about at work? Looking at your watch itching to get home to defend your realm, or go on that awesome raid, or what ever it was. I really miss that feeling.
When you ACTULY had to decide to go to the irl party or goto the raid   =)  
 
 
Its been almost 2 years, I refuse to believe that the magic is gone. I really hope that its not that I’m losing interest in the genre and its more that the quality of the games are going down hill.
 
Here’s to 2012...  Hope it gets better!
 

Losing interest in the genre as it is today - is like saying you are losing interest in quality food because you hate McDonalds.  It is NOT your fault.  You are seeing the slippery slope of mediocrity at work in an industry that was once creative and expansive, immersive and brilliant (i.e., Dark Age of Camelot, EQ, AC 1 and 2)...and you are bored of it - your intellectual capacity expects more of the present state of the genre.

 

In time, I honestly believe, someone will create a great medieval fantasy mmorpg where unlike GW2, the classes will be different across multiple factions and pvp will have meaning in a persistant world, and unlike SW:TOR there will be a great amount of variation between factions, and thusly, pvp will not only be for something that matters (i.e., territory), it will be between forces that remind us of the great epics we all love to read:

 

Tolkien, Burroughs, Marting, Jordan, Williams, and so forth. 

 

Find a good RPG like Skyrim, dig up some old RPGs.  Get together with some friends and play a good pen and paper table top RPG like Dungeons and Dragons, or MERP, or Rolemaster, etc.  Get a feel of where the genre started. 

 

Eventually, the commercial cosmetic crap you see in today's mmorpgs of cash shops, cosmetic races, and mirrored classes, will move to the side for something truly great.  Might be 10 years, but I do believe it will happen (i.e., keeping an eye on 38 Studios, for example, to see if they get the concept of us vs them vs them and why variation is superior to mediocrity in the games that are supposed to take us from the real world and into something epic and believable.).

 

/salute

  User Deleted
1/14/12 4:58:59 PM#27

I'm just waiting for the current bubble to burst, taking us past this shitty plateau we're stranded on.

Wether that is players mass unsubbing in protest to the greediness (are you truly getting what you're paying for?) of these so-called "gaming" companies or whatever other reason.

 

I believe I can tell when I'm playing a game that wasn't made with love. Just pure out of greed and that's what I have experienced in certain recent games both online and offline.

This will end soon, don't worry. The magic is not gone!

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