Originally posted by nblitz

Danny, I was wondering what you'd say to what the following user asked before the thread got locked over on the official forums.

 

 

However I must ask you... Given what we've seen, and the fact that Bioware does seem to be trying to not only churn out new content at a good rate but also fix the games issues as fast as possible, do you see yourself growing to like it later on, if and when Bioware manages to deliver a few months from now? Or do you find it unenjoyable on a more fundamental level, preventing you from ever enjoying it despite future fixes?

 

-archifikoss

I actually enjoy the game even in its current state, and play it nearly every day. While I'm skeptical about Bioware's ability to fix many of the problems that I see with the game, I remain hopeful that they'll try their best. In short, I'll do what most MMORPG gamers do these days; I'll play it until I'm either tired of being level 50, or a new game comes along (Guildwars 2, Planetside 2, etc).

To be honest, I think it's too late for them to fix questing, zone mirroring or crafting, but I don't think it's too late for them to spice up their classes, improve PVP, add guild functionality, allow us to customize our UI, or make space combat more engrossing.

Great. Another SWTOR review. Just what we need. Think I'll do one myself, too...stay tuned.

Originally posted by nblitz

Most interesting to me out of that whole thread was

"Actually, I was let go from MMORPG.com indirectly because of this article."

What's going on here? Why? 

 

Maybe Danny should actually be honest about why this occurred.   He is being too vague.   Some of us actually know why, but maybe it would be better if he actually came forward to say why.

Originally posted by Kaledus

 

Nothing unprofessional about someone who obviously can make a good review. It is simple as that. I feel bad for you though, because you seem blinded by your own judgement. You are not very perceptive, creating assumptions out of thin air as if they make sense.

Did I state that everyone should see things the same way I wanted? No.. I was stating my own opinion on this whole ordeal, whether someone takes it one way or another, I could care less. I am just voicing how I feel about this decision, as it seems unfair. The guy is now just standing up for himself, and was wanting to reveal a sad truth about this website. Of course being professional as he is, he removed that statement about being taken off the staff. Can you not see that he was smart enough to behave himself, despite what he wanted to note to everyone?

Nope, obviously you didn't see the thread he posted on the darkfall forums stating,  "I'm awesome, look how I scored SWTOR" 

Seems much less like an unbiased opinion and more like an attention grab, which is where the unprofessional comment comes from.   

And as for me being "not very perceptive"  I'm not the one who stated "I can no longer trust what they review, cause I know it will probably be sugar coated".     That has an undertone of simply not liking something because they gave it a fair review when your opinion is poor, it has nothing to do with sugar coating.  You don't like that they gave it a fair score.

At the end of the day, if he was removed from the staff, it was for a specific reason, one at which is unlikely we'll ever know... and he isn't even a common reviewer so I doubt it would have anything to do with one specific review.  In my opinion it would be more along the lines of conduct.

I don't know about on the backend, but for the most part MMORPGs staff is pretty open and, especially on the community end, very understanding... so whatever the reason, just like with everything else,  we can only assume based on the half story we have.  

Fairest review of the game I've read so far.

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by Kaledus

 

Nothing unprofessional about someone who obviously can make a good review. It is simple as that. I feel bad for you though, because you seem blinded by your own judgement. You are not very perceptive, creating assumptions out of thin air as if they make sense.

Did I state that everyone should see things the same way I wanted? No.. I was stating my own opinion on this whole ordeal, whether someone takes it one way or another, I could care less. I am just voicing how I feel about this decision, as it seems unfair. The guy is now just standing up for himself, and was wanting to reveal a sad truth about this website. Of course being professional as he is, he removed that statement about being taken off the staff. Can you not see that he was smart enough to behave himself, despite what he wanted to note to everyone?

Nope, obviously you didn't see the thread he posted on the darkfall forums stating,  "I'm awesome, look how I scored SWTOR" 

 

Seems much less like an unbiased opinion and more like an attention grab, which is where the unprofessional comment comes from.   

 

And as for me being "not very perceptive"  I'm not the one who stated "I can no longer trust what they review, cause I know it will probably be sugar coated".     That has an undertone of simply not liking something because they gave it a fair review when your opinion is poor, it has nothing to do with sugar coating.  You don't like that they gave it a fair score.

 

At the end of the day, if he was removed from the staff, it was for a specific reason, one at which is unlikely we'll ever know... and he isn't even a common reviewer so I doubt it would have anything to do with one specific review.  In my opinion it would be more along the lines of conduct.

 

I don't know about on the backend, but for the most part MMORPGs staff is pretty open and, especially on the community end, very understanding... so whatever the reason, just like with everything else,  we can only assume based on the half story we have.  

I am going to have to agree with the Masked one on this...

...OMG hell just froze over...

when Danny went to the DF forums and made his post...he basically threw his integrity out the window.  For all we know he wrote his original little blurb as a means to gain attention.   Which for all we know, with his little blurb, "Actually, I was let go from MMORPG.com indirectly because of this article."    is just his way of getting attention.   Sorry Danny, but you blew it.  

I agree with everything said here. I could write 3 pages more on the bad things about this game.

But i like the game a lot because i actually have a character instead of a mindless drone that i kill stuff with.

I have 2500 light side points and 4000 dark side points because i actually created a personality for my character. Sure the three dialogue choices are stifling and due to biowares horrible implementation of rewards i am penalized for  making different choices in different situations but its still better then the normal mindless husk we usually get in MMO's.

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by Kaledus

 

Nothing unprofessional about someone who obviously can make a good review. It is simple as that. I feel bad for you though, because you seem blinded by your own judgement. You are not very perceptive, creating assumptions out of thin air as if they make sense.

Did I state that everyone should see things the same way I wanted? No.. I was stating my own opinion on this whole ordeal, whether someone takes it one way or another, I could care less. I am just voicing how I feel about this decision, as it seems unfair. The guy is now just standing up for himself, and was wanting to reveal a sad truth about this website. Of course being professional as he is, he removed that statement about being taken off the staff. Can you not see that he was smart enough to behave himself, despite what he wanted to note to everyone?

Nope, obviously you didn't see the thread he posted on the darkfall forums stating,  "I'm awesome, look how I scored SWTOR" 

 

Seems much less like an unbiased opinion and more like an attention grab, which is where the unprofessional comment comes from.   

 

And as for me being "not very perceptive"  I'm not the one who stated "I can no longer trust what they review, cause I know it will probably be sugar coated".     That has an undertone of simply not liking something because they gave it a fair review when your opinion is poor, it has nothing to do with sugar coating.  You don't like that they gave it a fair score.

 

At the end of the day, if he was removed from the staff, it was for a specific reason, one at which is unlikely we'll ever know... and he isn't even a common reviewer so I doubt it would have anything to do with one specific review.  In my opinion it would be more along the lines of conduct.

 

I don't know about on the backend, but for the most part MMORPGs staff is pretty open and, especially on the community end, very understanding... so whatever the reason, just like with everything else,  we can only assume based on the half story we have.  

I am going to have to agree with the Masked one on this...

...OMG hell just froze over...

when Danny went to the DF forums and made his post...he basically threw his integrity out the window.  For all we know he wrote his original little blurb as a means to gain attention.   Which for all we know, with his little blurb, "Actually, I was let go from MMORPG.com indirectly because of this article."    is just his way of getting attention.   Sorry Danny, but you blew it.  

You kinda described anyone who has ever posted anything on the internet ever. See, I'm after attention right now! Success! Hehehe. :P

Originally posted by Teala

I am going to have to agree with the Masked one on this...

...OMG hell just froze over...

when Danny went to the DF forums and made his post...he basically threw his integrity out the window.  For all we know he wrote his original little blurb as a means to gain attention.   Which for all we know, with his little blurb, "Actually, I was let go from MMORPG.com indirectly because of this article."    is just his way of getting attention.   Sorry Danny, but you blew it.  

I disagree. It's like a blogger posting a link to his blog on a forum he visits often. If more people view "x" article on said blog (or website like MMORPG.com) and agreed with it, then the author will gain more "followers" which in turn will help him to keep either the blog running or the job at websites like MMORPG.com.  I don't see this as a way of getting attention at all quite frankly.

MMORPG.com wanted a negative review to appeal to whatever crowd it is that may not agree with the rest of the article where several MMORPG.com staff practically demanded SWTOR's hand in marriage. It was basically like throwing him into a pack of wolves while they just stand there and watch just to keep that "fair and balance"  appearance that so many media seems to be hooked on. In turn, he (Danny) offered a fair review, and tried to get more members to view it (which most websites usually LOVES because it means more traffic). I think there's no doubt that being "fired" made him angry, which in turn pushed him to post this review, but nothing that I would classify as someone just wanting to get some attention. Besides, that part you quoted was removed about a minute later, had he really been trying to seek some attention, pretty sure that part would still be there.

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by maskedweasel

 

Nope, obviously you didn't see the thread he posted on the darkfall forums stating,  "I'm awesome, look how I scored SWTOR" 

 

Seems much less like an unbiased opinion and more like an attention grab, which is where the unprofessional comment comes from.   

 

And as for me being "not very perceptive"  I'm not the one who stated "I can no longer trust what they review, cause I know it will probably be sugar coated".     That has an undertone of simply not liking something because they gave it a fair review when your opinion is poor, it has nothing to do with sugar coating.  You don't like that they gave it a fair score.

 

At the end of the day, if he was removed from the staff, it was for a specific reason, one at which is unlikely we'll ever know... and he isn't even a common reviewer so I doubt it would have anything to do with one specific review.  In my opinion it would be more along the lines of conduct.

 

I don't know about on the backend, but for the most part MMORPGs staff is pretty open and, especially on the community end, very understanding... so whatever the reason, just like with everything else,  we can only assume based on the half story we have.  

I am going to have to agree with the Masked one on this...

...OMG hell just froze over...

when Danny went to the DF forums and made his post...he basically threw his integrity out the window.  For all we know he wrote his original little blurb as a means to gain attention.   Which for all we know, with his little blurb, "Actually, I was let go from MMORPG.com indirectly because of this article."    is just his way of getting attention.   Sorry Danny, but you blew it.  

So what? His review is still spot on and tons more honest than any other so called professional review.

Originally posted by MadnessRealm

Originally posted by Teala

I am going to have to agree with the Masked one on this...

...OMG hell just froze over...

when Danny went to the DF forums and made his post...he basically threw his integrity out the window.  For all we know he wrote his original little blurb as a means to gain attention.   Which for all we know, with his little blurb, "Actually, I was let go from MMORPG.com indirectly because of this article."    is just his way of getting attention.   Sorry Danny, but you blew it.  

I disagree. It's like a blogger posting a link to his blog on a forum he visits often. If more people view "x" article on said blog (or website like MMORPG.com) and agreed with it, then the author will gain more "followers" which in turn will help him to keep either the blog running or the job at websites like MMORPG.com.  I don't see this as a way of getting attention at all quite frankly.

MMORPG.com wanted a negative review to appeal to whatever crowd it is that may not agree with the rest of the article where several MMORPG.com staff practically demanded SWTOR's hand in marriage. It was basically like throwing him into a pack of wolves while they just stand there and watch just to keep that "fair and balance"  appearance that so many media seems to be hooked on. In turn, he (Danny) offered a fair review, and tried to get more members to view it (which most websites usually LOVES because it means more traffic). I think there's no doubt that being "fired" made him angry, which in turn pushed him to post this review, but nothing that I would classify as someone just wanting to get some attention. Besides, that part you quoted was removed about a minute later, had he really been trying to seek some attention, pretty sure that part would still be there.

Maybe it was how he did it that is more important.   If you followed the original story about his posting over on the DF forums some might say his integrity is in question.

spot on review .............bumped for Truth!!

Originally posted by Teala

Maybe it was how he did it that is more important.   If you followed the original story about his posting over on the DF forums some might say his integrity is in question.

He's been a long and active member of DarkFall, and several ex-DarkFall player still frequent that forum too. RipperX (who posts many videos on this site) often posts videos of his (MMORPG.com links) on DarkFall's forum as well. Haven't seen anyone get all butthurt about it  or claiming that he's just seeking attention/has no integrity.

Edit: Inb4 someones claims that I'm hating RipperX or whatever they can come up with, No. I'm not. He's a great guy, does very entertaining videos as well.

Originally posted by MadnessRealm

Originally posted by Teala

I am going to have to agree with the Masked one on this...

...OMG hell just froze over...

when Danny went to the DF forums and made his post...he basically threw his integrity out the window.  For all we know he wrote his original little blurb as a means to gain attention.   Which for all we know, with his little blurb, "Actually, I was let go from MMORPG.com indirectly because of this article."    is just his way of getting attention.   Sorry Danny, but you blew it.  

I disagree. It's like a blogger posting a link to his blog on a forum he visits often. If more people view "x" article on said blog (or website like MMORPG.com) and agreed with it, then the author will gain more "followers" which in turn will help him to keep either the blog running or the job at websites like MMORPG.com.  I don't see this as a way of getting attention at all quite frankly.

MMORPG.com wanted a negative review to appeal to whatever crowd it is that may not agree with the rest of the article where several MMORPG.com staff practically demanded SWTOR's hand in marriage. It was basically like throwing him into a pack of wolves while they just stand there and watch just to keep that "fair and balance"  appearance that so many media seems to be hooked on. In turn, he (Danny) offered a fair review, and tried to get more members to view it (which most websites usually LOVES because it means more traffic). I think there's no doubt that being "fired" made him angry, which in turn pushed him to post this review, but nothing that I would classify as someone just wanting to get some attention. Besides, that part you quoted was removed about a minute later, had he really been trying to seek some attention, pretty sure that part would still be there.

I beg to differ. The quality of his review wasn't in question, so "throwing him into a pack of wolves" is a moot point (and i agree with every score he gave and every criticism he put on the table in his review).

I honestly believe it was related to his conduct - boasting his review on a hardcore sandbox game forum smelled bad.  No way around it. That post hurt his credibility, even though the issues he raised in his review were, indeed, valid.

Originally posted by Teala

 

Maybe it was how he did it that is more important.   If you followed the original story about his posting over on the DF forums some might say his integrity is in question.

Again, so what? I don't care if he runs around naked on the Time Square to get attention. His review is still the only honest and accurate review of SW:TOR we have seen. For someone who have criticised SW:TOR I thought you would see that but then again your position on this game seems strange.

One one side you are giving it the legitimate criticism it deserves, on the other hand you are praising its box sale numbers or trying to delegitimise honest reviews of the game. Really dont understand what you are trying to achieve.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Teala

 

Maybe it was how he did it that is more important.   If you followed the original story about his posting over on the DF forums some might say his integrity is in question.

Again, so what? I don't care if he runs around naked on the Time Square to get attention. His review is still the only honest and accurate review of SW:TOR we have seen. For someone who have criticised SW:TOR I thought you would see that but then again your position on this game seems strange.

One one side you are giving it the legitimate criticism it deserves, on the other hand you are praising its box sale numbers or trying to delegitimise honest reviews of the game. Really dont understand what you are trying to achieve.

As for the OP's review, I agree with some points, disagree with some others and think he made some errors in observation in again other points. But his review was well thought out and written, and though I only partially agree I can respect that (my personal rating would be an 8-8.5)

Originally posted by forest-nl

So funny how so many of you keep writing bad things about this game but all play it bought it and now like little child cry your toy is no good while you asked about it for year nagging your mommy.

If you hate these games dont buy it then no harm done other wsie shut..... well you know what i mean:P

Btw ive not alot of respect for tene he exploited living daylights out of Darkfall from launch on EU-1.

Maybe you need to realize that the world is not black and white. It is possible to enjoy a game, or movie, not because it is awesome but rather because it is alright, which is what this review says.

Originally posted by smh_alot

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Teala

 

Maybe it was how he did it that is more important.   If you followed the original story about his posting over on the DF forums some might say his integrity is in question.

Again, so what? I don't care if he runs around naked on the Time Square to get attention. His review is still the only honest and accurate review of SW:TOR we have seen. For someone who have criticised SW:TOR I thought you would see that but then again your position on this game seems strange.

One one side you are giving it the legitimate criticism it deserves, on the other hand you are praising its box sale numbers or trying to delegitimise honest reviews of the game. Really dont understand what you are trying to achieve.

 

So, in your opinion someone should either bash a game to death or praise it into heaven, that kind of black & white thinking? No middle ground where someone has praises as well as criticisms for a game? Because to me that last one in general sounds more reasonable and objective, if someone can see both goods as well as bads about a subject/person/situation/game and not only onesided.

Heh, interesting that I am being accused of black and white thinking where it is the fans that is continually trying to put you in the hater section if you have any criticism of a game.

The issue here is that this review is a good review and it does not say the game is garbage but rather alright (=grey) which is what I have said all along. But the reviewer is being bashed, not because of the review, but rather because he boasted on some other forum about it which I find completely irrelevant because the review is still spot on.

Fair enough it's not your cup of tea.  Clearly you went to town on it and your entitled to your view.  I hope you find something you like soon.