Originally posted by kastrix

There are 12 million players in the world of warcraft. atleast thats what they say in the tv-comercials running in sweden atm.

Yea we have that here as well lol.  They supposedly (though unconfirmed) had around 12 million at the peak of cataclysm and have lost over 2 million since then (according to official figures), I think someone is telling porkies....

They also forgot to mention that something like 75% of their subscriptions come from Asia.  Which pay FAR less for their subscription and don't have a good alternative.  Most of their players are in China, where most other MMOs are banned.

Originally posted by TheHavok

Originally posted by GameOvr

According to data on WarcraftRealms, MMOData and using the Internet Archive...

7 months ago there were 4 US servers with less than 1000 characters observed by wow census in 30 days, now there are over 40 of these servers, EU is worse, with 60 of them. This is a tremendous downward momentum.

Servers support 25,000 accounts each, there are over 100 servers with less than 4% capacity (based on no characters are alts).

The high water mark of subscriptions, which includes cataclysm release was 12 million, 6 in NA/EU and 6 in Asia.

Total player population observed now  is 1.9 million characters in the US, the last time wow census saw those numbers was Aug 2005, and there were 3 million NA/EU subs back then. It looks like wow has lost 50% of subs in one year and one expansion.

 

This thread again...

When will people realize that warcraftrealms.com and MMOdata.net are very inaccurate websites?  I find it hilarious you mention both these sites, and I don't even know what you are referring to as "internet archive..". 

MMOdata.net: Relies on the data provided by public statements made by the publishers of these MMOs when stating their total sub numbers.  As many people know, MOST MMO publishers are very tight lip about their numbers, broadcasting them very rarely.  Thus, the numbers presented are extremely inconsistent and usually out of date due to publishers rarely disclosing their sub numbers and CCU.  The site hasn't been updated since October, and that was news on a new chat system.

Warcraftrealms.com: Relies on players of WoW to download a mod and use said mod while playing.  This mod takes a tally of everybody in every zone at that given time.  Sounds great, but people only use the mod once, if at all, then go about leveling, raiding, pvping, ect.  Not only that but hardly ANYBODY uses this mod anymore.  So unless this mod is constantly being used by BOTH factions 24/7 on ALL servers in the US, EU, and Asia, the results of this mod's use will not be accurate.  Warcraftrealms.com has also stated that they do not have enough submissions (people using the mod and uploading their data) on multiple realms, thus leaving out HUGE chunks of missing information which equates to missing sub and CCU numbers.

Dont believe me?  Look at all the 0% on the server realms.  That means nobody for that server's specific faction used the mod.  And why should they?  They are too busy actually having FUN.

http://www.warcraftrealms.com/realmstats.php

 

Why does every nub who stumbles upon these sites feel the need to act like they found the holy grail of WoW demise news?

Punks on this site need to understand that things don't have to be perfect before they have meaning.   If you have a better tool for the numbers that we can't access prove it.  Otherwise, this might be the best information out there.  Sampling is good enough AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PERFECT.

Yes, they've lost a huge chunk of NA/EU playerbases.

Do they care? No, they're going to hoover up the Asian market and forget about us.

due to some of us old timers getting bored    and seeing the future    almost a year till the next exp  and   who want to play a kids cartoon    so relistically    3 years  for a real new expansion

The population always goes up and down every year..People wanna try new games out so they unsub for a month or 2 than bam! Complain about the new game they are trying because its not WoW. Than go back to WoW.  Not saying any of the games are better than the other . WoW is a good game! It kept intrested for a long time. What i'm saying is old habits die hard.

WoW population will be fine..it always is..

What I kind of wonder and maybe someone has figured it out and I haven't heard.  How much money including box sales has WOW made so far?   That has to be an obscene #. 

Originally posted by Razeron

Yes, they've lost a huge chunk of NA/EU playerbases.

 

Do they care? No, they're going to hoover up the Asian market and forget about us.

 

Actually lol the majority of the subs lost are in Asia which is why this is so funny. 

When discussing the issue, Blizzard CEO Mike Morhaime said that one of the main issues was that players burned through Cataclysm content far faster than with Wrath of the Lich King. The majority of the subscriber decline comes from the East (where more than half the global subscriber base is located).

http://wow.joystiq.com/2011/11/08/wow-subscriber-numbers-down-to-10-3-million-players/

http://deltagamer.com/20033/wow-bleeding-subscribers-activision-blizzard-profits-almost-triple

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Originally posted by GrayGhost79

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Originally posted by Razeron
Yes, they've lost a huge chunk of NA/EU playerbases.
 
Do they care? No, they're going to hoover up the Asian market and forget about us.
 

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Actually lol the majority of the subs lost are in Asia which is why this is so funny. 
 
When discussing the issue, Blizzard CEO Mike Morhaime said that one of the main issues was that players burned through Cataclysm content far faster than with Wrath of the Lich King. The majority of the subscriber decline comes from the East (where more than half the global subscriber base is located).
http://wow.joystiq.com/2011/11/08/wow-subscriber-numbers-down-to-10-3-million-players/
http://deltagamer.com/20033/wow-bleeding-subscribers-activision-blizzard-profits-almost-triple
 
 

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Funniest part of all that is they released cata with harder than usual content to keep players from progressing at a rapid pace.

Then the community backlashes because "its to hard" so Activision-Blizzard rectifies this only to have players quit because they have consumed the content in record time lol.

Originally posted by Dragonantis

We have one of these threads at least once a week.

But if those numbers are correct it would show a turn for the worse for WoW.

BUT!

Blizzard has a record of always releasing a patch or expansion everytime this happens to recover their numbers.

BUT!

That last patch didnt see alot of thrills and player returns even though it gave WoW players what they asked for for 5 years. Heck even me, Ive been a WoW player since vanilla and I quit a few times a year and comeback for patches but this is the first one I didnt even bother to return for.

It will be interesting to see how the numbers pan out with the new games in 2012.

that was alot of buts...

 

Hehehe... these last two patches they made some interesting changes and added some neat stuff, and they buff hunters.

So I used that free 7day pass to log back in and play and must admit the Looking For Raid tool is nice and the server I play on is as busy as every... but it's no where near like it was during Burning Crusade.

Hopefully this Mist of the Panda's expansion thing brings more people back, I tell you thou the community is ruined and so is the economy. Just play WoW for what it is, a mIRC chat room with the ability to zerg instances and troll people.

censuswhat? Never used, never heard of it.

You said the original number is 6m in NA/EU and then you suddenly say that now there are 1.9m in US. Ok so what about the Eu the rest of NA?

What % of the population does this thing measure?

I played for 6 years before stopping, and never once talked to or played with a single person who used wow census.

A completly pointless addon that provides nothing usefull to the user.

Well i know on my pvp server horde is for the most part extinct. Alliance on the other hand are full of life. On my horde pve servers horde/alliance are equal and packed with players. Same with my other server for my alliance toons while not many 85+ it had the most lowbies i've ever seen. 49+ Sub 20s in elwynn forest during prime hours and thats something i haven't seen since release.

Most of the decline has been the pvp servers, i've noticed pve servers have remained unscathed or infact grown some.

Originally posted by waynejr2

Punks on this site need to understand that things don't have to be perfect before they have meaning.   If you have a better tool for the numbers that we can't access prove it.  Otherwise, this might be the best information out there.  Sampling is good enough AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PERFECT.

"Punks on this site" bit was a nice touch!

I would agree that the figures don't have to be 'Perfect' but only 4% of servers with figures that the site itself regards as even close to accurate?!? C'mon, common sense says that you wouldn't take a punt on anything with only a 4% chance of it being accurate, would you?

What's the chances of me surviving this jump across the roof top......about 4%.....sweet, let's go! Hmmmm!

To be honest, the vast majority of players could care less about these things because as long as the game is still running and they can play it, that is all that matters. It just gets annoying when you have seen post after post after post claiming the demise of the game based on the figures from these sites claiming they accurately show the current state of the player population when they clearly don't.

Originally posted by jason_webb

Originally posted by waynejr2

Punks on this site need to understand that things don't have to be perfect before they have meaning.   If you have a better tool for the numbers that we can't access prove it.  Otherwise, this might be the best information out there.  Sampling is good enough AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PERFECT.

"Punks on this site" bit was a nice touch!

I would agree that the figures don't have to be 'Perfect' but only 4% of servers with figures that the site itself regards as even close to accurate?!? C'mon, common sense says that you wouldn't take a punt on anything with only a 4% chance of it being accurate, would you?

What's the chances of me surviving this jump across the roof top......about 4%.....sweet, let's go! Hmmmm!

To be honest, the vast majority of players could care less about these things because as long as the game is still running and they can play it, that is all that matters. It just gets annoying when you have seen post after post after post claiming the demise of the game based on the figures from these sites claiming they accurately show the current state of the player population when they clearly don't.

Agreed. Sorry, a 4% sample isn't indicitive of anything really. That's why things like general statistics aren't meant to be taken as gospel, because in a game of numbers, they can be skewed.

From my personal observations, I would say WoW is still doing well. I don't see as many people as I used to while out leveling, but I still see plenty of folks participating in end game content. I still see the same faces trolling trade chat in org on a nightly basis.

I have no doubt that the sub numbers are down, because of the age of the game, but I doubt things are quite as bleak as folks seem to think they are. I'm sure we'll play this game when MoP releases, and sub numbers go up and then back down.

Originally posted by Kaneth

 

Agreed. Sorry, a 4% sample isn't indicitive of anything really. That's why things like general statistics aren't meant to be taken as gospel, because in a game of numbers, they can be skewed.

From my personal observations, I would say WoW is still doing well. I don't see as many people as I used to while out leveling, but I still see plenty of folks participating in end game content. I still see the same faces trolling trade chat in org on a nightly basis.

I have no doubt that the sub numbers are down, because of the age of the game, but I doubt things are quite as bleak as folks seem to think they are. I'm sure we'll play this game when MoP releases, and sub numbers go up and then back down.

Sorry. You need to go read a stat book. A 4% PROPER sample can tell a lot. Every political poll in the world has less than a 4% sample but many correlate very well with actual voting patterns.

There are LOTS of academic literature published on this. Go to scholar.google.com and search.

I just posted this in a similar thread, seems apt to post it here too.

WoW server status (For US and EU only) as of 20:00GMT (21:00 eu sever time) Jan 13th 2012 - towards the end of the EU peek time and no where near US peek time.

Source: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/status & http://us.battle.net/wow/en/status

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by Kaneth

 

Agreed. Sorry, a 4% sample isn't indicitive of anything really. That's why things like general statistics aren't meant to be taken as gospel, because in a game of numbers, they can be skewed.

From my personal observations, I would say WoW is still doing well. I don't see as many people as I used to while out leveling, but I still see plenty of folks participating in end game content. I still see the same faces trolling trade chat in org on a nightly basis.

I have no doubt that the sub numbers are down, because of the age of the game, but I doubt things are quite as bleak as folks seem to think they are. I'm sure we'll play this game when MoP releases, and sub numbers go up and then back down.

Sorry. You need to go read a stat book. A 4% PROPER sample can tell a lot. Every political poll in the world has less than a 4% sample but many correlate very well with actual voting patterns.

There are LOTS of academic literature published on this. Go to scholar.google.com and search.

A  4% sample has a lot of Margin of Error...

One thing you have to take into account is Swtor.. probably wow's biggest competition ever....   people will play Swtor for the first month or two  do what there is to do, think about how great wow use to be... and resub when the shiny wears off... it happens... look at rift

wow isn't dieing.. it's pop goes up.. it goes down.. Cata has been bad for numbers thats a fact.. Bliz knows it... MoP beta will be here in a month or two and wow will have its shiny back ... on the other hand if they take much longer than that for Mop beta,  they are going to have a lot of annoyed Annual pass holders. and selling pets and mounts wont make up for all the people leaving for guild wars 2...just to get away from wow out of spite.... Anyway, as for the other stuff.. Wowcensus isn't perfect esspecially because half the player base has never heard of it.. but it can give you a general idea...  I would take this all with a grain of salt though... The only way Wow will ever die is if Bliz kills it on purpose... 

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Originally posted by evilakurei
One thing you have to take into account is Swtor.. probably wow's biggest competition ever.... and you also  people will play Swtor for the first two months do what there is to do, think about how great wow use to be... and resub when the shiny wears off... it happens... look at rift
wow isn't dieing.. it's pop goes up.. it goes down.. Cata has been bad for numbers thats a fact.. Bliz knows it... MoP beta will be here in a month or two and wow will have its shiny back ... on the other hand if they take much longer than that for Mop beta,  they are going to have a lot of annoyed Annual pass holders. and selling pets and mounts wont make up for all the people leaving for guild wars 2...just to get away from wow out of spite.... Anyway, as for the other stuff.. Wowcensus isn't perfect esspecially because half the player base has never heard of it.. but it can give you a general idea...  I would take this all with a grain of salt though... The only way Wow will ever die is if Bliz kills it on purpose... 

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And passively trying to push for a MOP beta sooner and sooner won't help none. ;-)

I doubt there are many bliz devs trolling through these forums esspecially on page 6... I'm just sayin... lol