Originally posted by sanosukex

So many people have been defending how great it is this game has no LFD tool and how great it is to build the community and everything. Now I'm talking the game needs a SAME server LFD tool here not cross server.. anyway this is what chat has become and it's what I been saying all along and why these type of games really need a same server LFD tool. I can't even hold a useful conversation with people in general chat because of this crap is spammed non -stop

 

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/6750/swtor2012010919254110.png

That's awful! It hides all the useless drivel from the global chat. Shameful, really. Everybody just unsub now...

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Originally posted by fenistil

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Originally posted by lizardbones
 

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Originally posted by stealthbr
I acknowledge, sanosuke, that the constant spamming on General chat is far from ideal. Yet, going to extremes and implementing an LFD tool I believe is not the ideal solution. What I would suggest is that BioWare builds upon their current LFG system in order to make it more robust and reliable. Currently, you can flag yourself as Looking for Group , but you can't flag yourself as Looking for More. Being able to flag yourself or your semi-complete group as Looking for More is important because the people looking to join do not need to wait for an invite, they can simply apply to your group. This system is used quite successfully in a game called Dungeons and Dragons Online, and I think it strikes the perfect balance between convenience and sociality.
 
 

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Actually, that wouldn't be bad. Just have a system where you can flag yourself available, or apply to groups and labels for the content (quests or flash points) you're wanting to do. The content generally has a level associated with it so it should be pretty easy to filter what's available. You can even have it pick from your current mission log.

 

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Yeah if a game absolutely need lfg tool ,then DDO-like is way to go.
It is not automatic-cross-server-crap and does not agaik teleport but at same time is very useful, easy to use and eliminate spamming of chats.

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Originally posted by sanosukex

So many people have been defending how great it is this game has no LFD tool and how great it is to build the community and everything. Now I'm talking the game needs a SAME server LFD tool here not cross server.. anyway this is what chat has become and it's what I been saying all along and why these type of games really need a same server LFD tool. I can't even hold a useful conversation with people in general chat because of this crap is spammed non -stop

 

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/6750/swtor2012010919254110.png

 

 

 

This is proof to me that the wow comunity is still migrating away from wow and to this new game.

Which in and of itself is GOOD NEWS lol. I would be game for server lfd. but not a x-server lfd or x server pvp finder = no way.

You have to remember the fundamentals of a themepark. You will attract the phony tough , the internet brave. In a sandbox you run your mouth you better be able to back it up or you will get gank killed and your shoes hat and coat taken. In a themepark you will get a duel request lol. By now you should have made at least 3 freinds ...........(I would hope anyway) turn off chat and go run stuff with guild/freinds etc. Same old same old as in any game.

As far as usefull conversations in general chat....not going to go into what a waste of time that is in ANY GAME. Try whispering people that are flagged as LOOKING FOR GROUP with the type group needed in the message box  next to their name. Worked wonders for me.

This thread just shows that lazy people need an LFD tool.

Originally posted by Sovrath

There's a lot of groupign all the time. It's the heroics that are driving it. At least from what I see.

If I help out with one heroic I usually end up helping with several more. It's not hard to get a group in this game.

...and again for the umpteenth time it is relative to the server you play on. When are you folks going to get it through your head that just because you aren't personally experiencing the issue that it does not mean the issue does not exist?

Really now...

I mean seriously. Even if you aren't having the problem what possible harm is there in having more mechanics in place for others to group? Not everyone that is asking for some mechanics to be put into place is asking for an lfd.

I would love to see the explanation as to why this would be a bad thing or somehow affect your gameplay assuming we aren't referring to an lfd. Which is being blamed for the state of communities in mmorpgs at this point. Which on a side note is absolute bullshit but that's a discussion for another day. Probably in five minutes on the main forum when someone makes another topic about it.

Really makes no sense whatsoever regardless whether it is effecting you personally or not that some are so dead set against BW adding any grouping mechanics at all or revamping the little they currently have. There is no drawback to it.

...and not directed at the person I quoted but to those saying that those asking for it are being lazy? Really? Okay...well those against it are simply being ignorant and selfish.

Originally posted by Ambros123

Originally posted by sanosukex

So many people have been defending how great it is this game has no LFD tool and how great it is to build the community and everything. Now I'm talking the game needs a SAME server LFD tool here not cross server.. anyway this is what chat has become and it's what I been saying all along and why these type of games really need a same server LFD tool. I can't even hold a useful conversation with people in general chat because of this crap is spammed non -stop

 

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/6750/swtor2012010919254110.png

 

 

 

Peope are quick to blame the degregation of an MMO community on something like an LFD tool which is totally unsupported.  The tool did NOTHING to the degregation of the community, it was the community itself that did it.

 

Well to put it bluntly (and I know the MMO old timers will disagree due to rose colored glasses)..

The community was always terrible.  However, in the older games they had rougher mechanics so people had to beat around the bush a bit more while being shitty to eachother.  You couldn't just openly trash anyone who made you mad because you NEEDED a group... or you NEEDED people to repair your gear... or people could kill you and take your gear....

But EQ1's community was a bit of a cesspool even back in 1999.

Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Originally posted by Sovrath

There's a lot of groupign all the time. It's the heroics that are driving it. At least from what I see.

If I help out with one heroic I usually end up helping with several more. It's not hard to get a group in this game.

...and again for the umpteenth time it is relative to the server you play on. When are you folks going to get it through your head that just because you aren't personally experiencing the issue that it does not mean the issue does not exist?

Really now...

I mean seriously. Even if you aren't having the problem what possible harm is there in having more mechanics in place for others to group? Not everyone that is asking for some mechanics to be put into place is asking for an lfd.

I would love to see the explanation as to why this would be a bad thing or somehow affect your gameplay assuming we aren't referring to an lfd. Which is being blamed for the state of communities in mmorpgs at this point. Which on a side note is absolute bullshit but that's a discussion for another day. Probably in five minutes on the main forum when someone makes another topic about it.

Really makes no sense whatsoever regardless whether it is effecting you personally or not that some are so dead set against BW adding any grouping mechanics at all or revamping the little they currently have. There is no drawback to it.

...and not directed at the person I quoted but to those saying that those asking for it are being lazy? Really? Okay...well those against it are simply being ignorant and selfish.

 

I find it hard to believe that my server is grouping heaven and everyone else on other servers are all standing around not knowing what to do.

So you are saying that no one is looking for group in chat? That no one is doing these heroics?

Ok I'll bite. What server are you on that this is not happening. I'll go check it out myself. edit: and what side?

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Originally posted by Wickedjelly

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Originally posted by Sovrath
There's a lot of groupign all the time. It's the heroics that are driving it. At least from what I see.
If I help out with one heroic I usually end up helping with several more. It's not hard to get a group in this game.

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...and again for the umpteenth time it is relative to the server you play on. When are you folks going to get it through your head that just because you aren't personally experiencing the issue that it does not mean the issue does not exist?
Really now...
 

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Originally posted by sanosukex

So many people have been defending how great it is this game has no LFD tool and how great it is to build the community and everything. Now I'm talking the game needs a SAME server LFD tool here not cross server.. anyway this is what chat has become and it's what I been saying all along and why these type of games really need a same server LFD tool. I can't even hold a useful conversation with people in general chat because of this crap is spammed non -stop

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/6750/swtor2012010919254110.png

Join a guild, ignore general chat.

Just think, if everyone were actually SOCIAL in these online massively multiplayer games, there would never be a need for LFG tools OR spamming chat channels.

You'd have FRIENDS and GUILDIES to run with!

At least with spamming chat channels you actually have to talk to people, perhaps even be NICE and COMPETENT to get invited to a group and succeed.

Certainly a step above the alternative:

Click a button, wait a bit, do some content in silence and/or rage quit without a word (or with lots of bad words) when things aren't 100% perfect because you have no social skills!

Originally posted by Angier2758

Originally posted by Ambros123

Originally posted by sanosukex

So many people have been defending how great it is this game has no LFD tool and how great it is to build the community and everything. Now I'm talking the game needs a SAME server LFD tool here not cross server.. anyway this is what chat has become and it's what I been saying all along and why these type of games really need a same server LFD tool. I can't even hold a useful conversation with people in general chat because of this crap is spammed non -stop

 

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/6750/swtor2012010919254110.png

 

 

 

Peope are quick to blame the degregation of an MMO community on something like an LFD tool which is totally unsupported.  The tool did NOTHING to the degregation of the community, it was the community itself that did it.

 

Well to put it bluntly (and I know the MMO old timers will disagree due to rose colored glasses)..

The community was always terrible.  However, in the older games they had rougher mechanics so people had to beat around the bush a bit more while being shitty to eachother.  You couldn't just openly trash anyone who made you mad because you NEEDED a group... or you NEEDED people to repair your gear... or people could kill you and take your gear....

But EQ1's community was a bit of a cesspool even back in 1999.

I never saw a cesspool in EQ. And I don't have "rose-tinted glasses on". I'm well aware that EQ was not perfect and had issues, but bad community wasn't one of them. Any time I saw someone getting assy, they would be denounced by so many on chat that they would slink away. I never found it difficult to get help on corpse-runs or answering a noob question. Most guilds would eject a plyer if they acted out or had complaints from other players, as it reflected badly against them. The idiotic chat or behavior I see as common in games now, were a rarity in EQ.

Originally posted by BadSpock

Join a guild, ignore general chat.

Wait a minute?

You are saying that one can actually join a guild with like minded people who probably have alts at different level ranges and who probably have regular weekly events or where one can create their own weekly events?

Where if one needs some help with some quests then they can arrange things with their guild mates?

The devil you say!

Originally posted by Sovrath

I find it hard to believe that my server is grouping heaven and everyone else on other servers are all standing around not knowing what to do.

So you are saying that no one is looking for group in chat? That no one is doing these heroics?

 

Ok I'll bite. What server are you on that this is not happening. I'll go check it out myself. edit: and what side?

Yes, clearly those having trouble finding groups simply don't know what they're doing. You Caught us. Busted. That explains everything.

>_>

Did I say people weren't using chat to find groups? Feel free to quote where I did.   Plenty are looking but seems no one is ever looking at the same time or looking to do the same heroics as others. I have also said in the past that I play a healer so while I have run into this it isn't near as bad for me as I have seen it for others playing dps. Unlike some around here though just because I'm not getting near as stonewalled as others I can actually see where they're coming from.

I'll have to let you know the server when I get home from work. I play on the Republic side. Feel free to do so if you wish. Problem doesn't really start coming to a head until you get to Nar Shaddar and beyond but whatever floats your boat.

I also love how you completely glossed over how having some refined group mechanics is a bad thing or would effect your gameplay. But hey...whatever works.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by BadSpock

Join a guild, ignore general chat.

Wait a minute?

You are saying that one can actually join a guild with like minded people who probably have alts at different level ranges and who probably have regular weekly events or where one can create their own weekly events?

Where if one needs some help with some quests then they can arrange things with their guild mates?

The devil you say!

Apparently I'm a bit of a radical these days.

But I come from a time where your reputation and social connections were the ONLY way to get groups.

If it takes time and effort to form a group, then people are more likely to "behave" themselves in the group because they're afraid of being kicked.

If you create a lounge type LFD tool, then it takes the personal time/investment out of it.  If you can quit a group and get into another one shortly after, there's no incentive to act unselfishly.  

LDF destroys the community.  I'm certain that WoW was a better game and a better community in Vanilla when people knew the best players on the server and where reputation mattered.

LFD is the first step towards getting things like paid name changes, paid server transfers, etc.  Why does this matter?  Because you can ninja loot, change your name and change server.  If you keep the game as is, it matters how you conduct yourself on the server.  Reputation matters.

Originally posted by Wickedjelly

I also love how you completely glossed over how having some refined group mechanics is a bad thing or would effect your gameplay. But hey...whatever works.

I didn't gloss over it I just didn't answer every point to your post. I'm in game at the moment.

As far as having refined mechanics, this is probably personal taste. I only believe in a lfg tool if it flags you for certain quests. I don't believe in a lfg tool that automatically puts together a group and then ports you to a particular spot.

and "yes" I know you didn't say that but I'm just being clear on my ideas about a lfg tool.

As far as your other point nar shaddar just isn't conducive for groups because I don't think anyone wants to be there. Pity that. It "looks" good but It's sort of a pain to be there so I think people are rushing through as quickly as possible.

Tatooine seems to be very heavy on groups.

So are you in a guild?

Originally posted by lizardbones

...and again for the umpteenth time it is relative to the server you play on. When are you folks going to get it through your head that just because you aren't personally experiencing the issue that it does not mean the issue does not exist?
Really now...
Why don't you understand that because it's happening to you it doesn't mean it's a wide spread issue? Just because people on forums claim it's happening to them doesn't mean it's a wide spread issue (or even an issue).

Bioware knows more about what's happening on all of their 217 or so servers than anyone here or on their forums. If people are unable to get groups, they know about it. If people are skipping or avoiding the group content, they know about it. If it's an issue, they'll do something to address it. Developers are real big about getting people to do all the available content. They want people to do all that group content. If it's an issue, they'll address it.
 

 

Really is astounding to me that you would want it to reach a point where it is effecting subs or retention beforehand. I'll say it again. Why is being reactive somehow better than proactive? What possible drawbacks are there to them refining their mechanics or adding additional ones now even if it is the minority at this point? Which for the record neither of us now how large or small it is at this point.

I mean really. How would them doing this outside of an lfd effect you or anyone elses gameplay that isn't having problems? So what is the real issue here? So what if you and Sovrath aren't experiencing this? Some are and why not add some features to assist them or less populated servers in general?

Rest be assured, there will probably be LFD tool added to the game in the future.  It makes sense to not have it during the first few months of launch.  But wait until the game loses the usual % of subscribers after the first month, and however many for whatever else reasons. 

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Originally posted by Wickedjelly

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Originally posted by lizardbones

...and again for the umpteenth time it is relative to the server you play on. When are you folks going to get it through your head that just because you aren't personally experiencing the issue that it does not mean the issue does not exist?
Really now...
Why don't you understand that because it's happening to you it doesn't mean it's a wide spread issue? Just because people on forums claim it's happening to them doesn't mean it's a wide spread issue (or even an issue).

Bioware knows more about what's happening on all of their 217 or so servers than anyone here or on their forums. If people are unable to get groups, they know about it. If people are skipping or avoiding the group content, they know about it. If it's an issue, they'll do something to address it. Developers are real big about getting people to do all the available content. They want people to do all that group content. If it's an issue, they'll address it.
 
 

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Really is astounding to me that you would want it to reach a point where it is effecting subs or retention beforehand. I'll say it again. Why is being reactive somehow better than proactive? What possible drawbacks are there to them refining their mechanics or adding additional ones now even if it is the minority at this point? Which for the record neither of us now how large or small it is at this point.
I mean really. How would them doing this outside of an lfd effect you or anyone elses gameplay that isn't having problems? So what is the real issue here? So what if you and Sovrath aren't experiencing this? Some are and why not add some features to assist them or less populated servers in general?
 

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Originally posted by Sovrath

I didn't gloss over it I just didn't answer every point to your post. I'm in game at the moment.

As far as having refined mechanics, this is probably personal taste. I only believe in a lfg tool if it flags you for certain quests. I don't believe in a lfg tool that automatically puts together a group and then ports you to a particular spot.

 

and "yes" I know you didn't say that but I'm just being clear on my ideas about a lfg tool.

As far as your other point nar shaddar just isn't conducive for groups because I don't think anyone wants to be there. Pity that. It "looks" good but It's sort of a pain to be there so I think people are rushing through as quickly as possible.

Tatooine seems to be very heavy on groups.

So are you in a guild?

I have already said several times in my posts that I am not referring to an lfd mechanic. Wouldn't be the end of the world to me if they were to add one, but I don't think they have to incorporate something so drastic. Something like DDO has would be nice. Or one that does a search that you queue up for and then notified you when you ahve a full group would be cool. Then give you an option to join and simply be grouped. No porting. No autoquesting. You would have to have the quest to queue for it and still travel to the locale. Or whatever other ideas they may come up with on their own.

I am not in a guild. I actually enjoy pugs personally.

...and again while this has been a problem for me I have seen it affecting others a lot more due to their class selection and in the forums in general. I would rather they remedy the situation now before it becomes worse and reaches a level that it has in other games and then have to run around madly trying to incorporate tools like these.

So far it has only caused me to drop one quest - Jawa's Concern - because I could not find a group for it after three days of trying. The rest have either been short waits or rather long ones but I have been able to accomplish it.

Far as planets go from Nar Shaddar on it appears to be getting gradually worse. Not sure if it is because people are becoming more spread out or what. You got me for the reason.

Frankly, even if this wasn't affecting me at all I would still be a proponent for this system seeing some love and revamping. I have always backed issues in a game even if it doesn't effect me personally if it is a game I plan on playing for any extended length of time because far as I'm concerned the more content players across the board then the healthier the game is overall. Which benefits me indirectly assuming the company will put that much more effort in supporting the game as a whole.

Originally posted by lizardbones

It doesn't have to affect the subs or retention for it to be an issue. All that has to happen is for a measurable number of people to stop doing the group content. Bioware wants people to do that group content, whether it affects subs or not. That's why they put the content in there. That's why Blizzard put their LFD tool in place. People weren't doing the group content.

I don't have anything in particular against a LFD tool. I don't have anything in particular against the LFG spam in general chat either. A LFG just doesn't appear to be something necessary for SWToR right now (to me).
 

 

...and you know what their solution will be at that point? They'll end up nerfing the uninstanced quests to either solo or 2 mans and adding an lfd feature which is the main thing those against this altogether don't want.

The same fucking thing they do in every other game when this becomes a widespread problem. Not sure why you guys would want it to reach that point either.

Not to mention it probably will effect retention and subs in the short term if people are trying to complete group quests and are simply unable to on a regular basis. Why put up with the frustration? These games are supposed to be for entertainment not to get frustrated.