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  blognorg

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1/08/12 10:07:14 AM#21
Originally posted by toddze
Originally posted by Dibdabs
Originally posted by Centhan
Originally posted by Dekarx12

lol yeh Hear*

 

And i think your getting at people wingeing about grinds? welcome to MMo forums and alot of those are asain type MMO's but alot of people know that so they dont get much attention?

 

its all about the TOR hate/Love arguments on this forum and thats getting old fast...

 

Next time OP with a more of a Conversation argumement instead of a fustration opener cause I'm still not 100% wtf your on about

I'm sorry, just can't let this one go...

How do you correct someone about their spelling, then go on to make grammatical errors yourself.

And what the hell is wingeing ?!?!  Still trying to figure that one out.

However, don't feel badly, YOU'RE not the only one in this thread (or countless others) who have done it.

I've highlighted a few more of his howlers in yellow.  A particularly funny part is his phrase "with a more of a", which is in dire need of some grammatical adjustment as well.  Using a conjunction to start a sentence is frowned on, but there's no actual rule about it, so I will let that stand uncorrected.  It's a shame forum access can't be restricted to those who can actually spell and write coherently.


Its a forum not an english class. Quite being grammer Nazi's. Not in every case but in some cases, English may not be someones first language.

You make a valid point, however there does need to be a line drawn somwhere. There is no need to be extremely pedantic in such a colloquial format, but eventually communication will begin to gap. Many of the errors can be overlooked because the intent can be derived through its context (such as using its instead of it's, despite meaing two completely different things). The original point was that it is most certainly not okay to correct someone when so many errors were made by the one correcting.

  blognorg

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1/08/12 10:17:20 AM#22
Originally posted by Loktofeit

On topic, I think the OP is trying to say that grind (by definition, laborious tasks) is a time sink and that since we play games to waste time we should like laborious tasks... or something.  I'm not sure, though. When he's done banging his head on his desk maybe he'll come back and clarify.

That's pretty funny.

 

I think the OP's point it this: people complain about the 'grinding' aspects of games being a time sinc, and that gaming in general is a time sinc. So, why complain about something that's wasting your time when that's why you're there in the first place.

 

Assuming that's correct, I think the issue has more to do with the quality of their time spent. If someone is having fun, he usually doesn't consider it a waste of time.

  Swollen_Beef

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1/08/12 10:37:03 AM#23
Originally posted by toddze
Originally posted by Dibdabs
Originally posted by Centhan
Originally posted by Dekarx12

lol yeh Hear*

 

And i think your getting at people wingeing about grinds? welcome to MMo forums and alot of those are asain type MMO's but alot of people know that so they dont get much attention?

 

its all about the TOR hate/Love arguments on this forum and thats getting old fast...

 

Next time OP with a more of a Conversation argumement instead of a fustration opener cause I'm still not 100% wtf your on about

I'm sorry, just can't let this one go...

How do you correct someone about their spelling, then go on to make grammatical errors yourself.

And what the hell is wingeing ?!?!  Still trying to figure that one out.

However, don't feel badly, YOU'RE not the only one in this thread (or countless others) who have done it.

I've highlighted a few more of his howlers in yellow.  A particularly funny part is his phrase "with a more of a", which is in dire need of some grammatical adjustment as well.  Using a conjunction to start a sentence is frowned on, but there's no actual rule about it, so I will let that stand uncorrected.  It's a shame forum access can't be restricted to those who can actually spell and write coherently.


Its a forum not an english class. Quite being grammer Nazi's. Not in every case but in some cases, English may not be someones first language.

That old gag...

Correct someone's horrid spelling and grammatical errors and you are a spelling Nazi and then the "not my first language" card gets thrown around. 

I guess spelling mistakes on a Resume are okay too. It JUST a resume. 

 

There are spelling mistakes, and there are spelling mistakes that make you look like an uneducated 'tard, Nazis or no. 

  Bladestrom

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1/08/12 10:45:16 AM#24
Originally posted by Dewm

 

90% of this forums:

Grind = time sink

 

.....YOUR PLAYING A GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

*goes and bangs head against wall*

/thread

gameplay = timesink = grind = gameplay = grind = timesink = gamplay.  

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Now playing GW2/vanilla wow

  Centhan

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1/08/12 11:08:50 AM#25
Originally posted by blognorg

... The original point was that it is most certainly not okay to correct someone when so many errors were made by the one correcting.

Exactly, thank you for putting it more succinctly than I.

 

Originally posted by Swollen_Beef

...There are spelling mistakes, and there are spelling mistakes that make you look like an uneducated 'tard, Nazis or no. 

Again, exactly.  I don't consider myself a "spelling nazi" (hate that phrase), but when one writes mistake after mistake, I instantly stop reading what they have to say.  Heck, even in my first post in this thread, I forgot a question mark.  OK, big deal.  However, you can always tell a simple mistake from a habitual mangling of the language when one writes.

The one that cracks me up the most is when people write "Your an idiot" as their intelligent retort.  The irony is just too much to bear.

  Axehilt

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1/08/12 11:26:23 AM#26

An important logical distinction:

  • All grind is a timesink.
  • Not all timesinks are grinds.
Remember when we never used the term grind, back before MMORPGs?  Yeah, that's because the games didn't ask you to repetitively do the same thing until it felt like a grind.
 
Gameplay which takes time is fine.
Gameplay which requires excessive time or repetition isn't fine -- it's a grind.
  Cuathon

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Posts: 2254

Draw Something is now an MMO. God has forsaken us.

1/08/12 11:28:55 AM#27
Originally posted by Axehilt

An important logical distinction:

  • All grind is a timesink.
  • Not all timesinks are grinds.
Remember when we never used the term grind, back before MMORPGs?  Yeah, that's because the games didn't ask you to repetitively do the same thing until it felt like a grind.
 
Gameplay which takes time is fine.
Gameplay which requires excessive time or repetition isn't fine -- it's a grind.

Um, no, I remember grind in FF and DW and all sorts of single player games. I do not remember grind in non rpgs though :)

  blognorg

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1/08/12 11:47:05 AM#28
Originally posted by Kyleran

MMORPG's are defined by their grind, it can range from very little (GW1) to extreme (old school Lineage 2 or EQ1)

Modern MMORPG's employ several mechanics to disguise it including quest based level progression and in some cases story driven content (AOC, SWTOR) which we'll probably see more of.

The reason it feels like a grind at all is because it delays players from participating in end game content instead of actually being the game content.

EVE did not feel like a grind no matter what I did, it really doesn't have one in the traditional sense.  (I consider earning ISK playing the game, not grinding)

We need some new game designs I think.

 

I totally agree. I've been bitching about the endgame division for some time. The genre needs an overhaul. If TOR is any indicator of a trend, then I'm going be very sad.

  blognorg

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1/08/12 11:53:26 AM#29
Originally posted by Cuathon
Originally posted by Axehilt

An important logical distinction:

  • All grind is a timesink.
  • Not all timesinks are grinds.
Remember when we never used the term grind, back before MMORPGs?  Yeah, that's because the games didn't ask you to repetitively do the same thing until it felt like a grind.
 
Gameplay which takes time is fine.
Gameplay which requires excessive time or repetition isn't fine -- it's a grind.

Um, no, I remember grind in FF and DW and all sorts of single player games. I do not remember grind in non rpgs though :)

I'm not sure Iike the term grind being applied to games anymore. It's getting too ambiguous, with everyone seemly defining it differently. If someone defines it as repitition, then everything can be classified as a grind to some extend. Look at any old-school Nintendo game; they were hard as balls. I would have to repeat levels dozens of times to get through it. Can't that be considered a grind, as well? If it's defined as an activiy that's not enjoyable, then that's completely subjective. The grind argument needs to die. It's getting repetitious:-P

  Ceridith

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1/08/12 12:03:39 PM#30

On one side you have gamers who want MMOs to be something they can play casually. They want to be able to jump in and out of the game without much commitment, and participate on an 'end game' level with minimal work.

On the other side you have players who treat MMOs like a hobby. Something they don't mind putting in some effort to advance in. In fact, it's that effort that makes reaching the end goals much more enjoyable. If things are too quick or easy, they quickly get bored.

The only people who sound ridiculous in this discussion, are the ones who say that those who disagree with them are wrong. Pick a game that better aligns with your playstyle. If you want to play casually, play a casual friendly game.

  Sonictempal

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1/08/12 12:04:26 PM#31
Originally posted by Centhan
Originally posted by Dekarx12

lol yeh Hear*

 

And i think your getting at people wingeing about grinds? welcome to MMo forums and alot of those are asain type MMO's but alot of people know that so they dont get much attention?

 

its all about the TOR hate/Love arguments on this forum and thats getting old fast...

 

Next time OP with a more of a Conversation argumement instead of a fustration opener cause I'm still not 100% wtf your on about

I'm sorry, just can't let this one go...

How do you correct someone about their spelling, then go on to make grammatical errors yourself.

And what the hell is wingeing ?!?!  Still trying to figure that one out.

However, don't feel badly, YOU'RE not the only one in this thread (or countless others) who have done it.

 

lol

  melton80

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1/08/12 12:10:49 PM#32

 I'm not a grammar nazi so i won't criticise you for using here instead of hear, but you can't HEAR yourself on this forum unless you make a video, you can READ your own posts, but hearing it totally different =P

  Golelorn

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1/08/12 12:11:55 PM#33
Originally posted by Gamer54321

One could argue that ones real life job is a GRIND, but few if any find that topic particulary interesting to complain about I am sure.

I'm guessing you've never had a job...

 

Unless you mean people don't complain about it here, which make sense being a gaming forum and all.

  Axehilt

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1/08/12 12:13:01 PM#34
Originally posted by blognorg

I'm not sure Iike the term grind being applied to games anymore. It's getting too ambiguous, with everyone seemly defining it differently. If someone defines it as repitition, then everything can be classified as a grind to some extend. Look at any old-school Nintendo game; they were hard as balls. I would have to repeat levels dozens of times to get through it. Can't that be considered a grind, as well? If it's defined as an activiy that's not enjoyable, then that's completely subjective. The grind argument needs to die. It's getting repetitious:-P

Grind means excessive repetition.

I can't remember ever hearing it used in a way where that definition failed.

Grind is subjective, because what's "excessive" is subjective.

Also, repeating a level due to failing a skill-check (NES games) is much different from the game requiring you to repetitively repeat that level.  If you had to repeat Super Mario Bros World 1-1 fifteen times before you could reach World 1-2, that would be closer to representing the way MMORPGs (especially early ones) require repetition and thereby feel grindy.

  Teilo

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1/08/12 12:14:46 PM#35
Originally posted by toddze
Originally posted by Dibdabs
Originally posted by Centhan
Originally posted by Dekarx12

lol yeh Hear*

 

And i think your getting at people wingeing about grinds? welcome to MMo forums and alot of those are asain type MMO's but alot of people know that so they dont get much attention?

 

its all about the TOR hate/Love arguments on this forum and thats getting old fast...

 

Next time OP with a more of a Conversation argumement instead of a fustration opener cause I'm still not 100% wtf your on about

I'm sorry, just can't let this one go...

How do you correct someone about their spelling, then go on to make grammatical errors yourself.

And what the hell is wingeing ?!?!  Still trying to figure that one out.

However, don't feel badly, YOU'RE not the only one in this thread (or countless others) who have done it.

I've highlighted a few more of his howlers in yellow.  A particularly funny part is his phrase "with a more of a", which is in dire need of some grammatical adjustment as well.  Using a conjunction to start a sentence is frowned on, but there's no actual rule about it, so I will let that stand uncorrected.  It's a shame forum access can't be restricted to those who can actually spell and write coherently.


Its a forum not an english class. Quite being grammer Nazi's. Not in every case but in some cases, English may not be someones first language.

Given that "wingeing" (or "whinging") is a bit of english dialect, I doubt that. ;)

  toddze

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I am not a hater, I call it like I see it.

1/08/12 12:17:40 PM#36
Originally posted by Swollen_Beef
Originally posted by toddze
 


Its a forum not an english class. Quit being grammer Nazi's. Not in every case but in some cases, English may not be someones first language.

That old gag...

Correct someone's horrid spelling and grammatical errors and you are a spelling Nazi and then the "not my first language" card gets thrown around. 

I guess spelling mistakes on a Resume are okay too. It JUST a resume. 

 

There are spelling mistakes, and there are spelling mistakes that make you look like an uneducated 'tard, Nazis or no. 

No, its a forum for discussing games its not an english class, this is a far cry from a resume, no one is applying for a job. The only reason to correct grammer and spelling errors is to belittle and downgrade the poster to make you guys feel better.

 

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  blognorg

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1/08/12 12:23:48 PM#37
Originally posted by Axehilt
Originally posted by blognorg

I'm not sure Iike the term grind being applied to games anymore. It's getting too ambiguous, with everyone seemly defining it differently. If someone defines it as repitition, then everything can be classified as a grind to some extend. Look at any old-school Nintendo game; they were hard as balls. I would have to repeat levels dozens of times to get through it. Can't that be considered a grind, as well? If it's defined as an activiy that's not enjoyable, then that's completely subjective. The grind argument needs to die. It's getting repetitious:-P

Grind means excessive repetition.

I can't remember ever hearing it used in a way where that definition failed.

Grind is subjective, because what's "excessive" is subjective.

Also, repeating a level due to failing a skill-check (NES games) is much different from the game requiring you to repetitively repeat that level.  If you had to repeat Super Mario Bros World 1-1 fifteen times before you could reach World 1-2, that would be closer to representing the way MMORPGs (especially early ones) require repetition and thereby feel grindy.

If part of the definition is subjective, then it, by proxy, is subjective. I feel that my analogy still holds. In MMOs, you're repeating a process to make some form of progress, which is the same as any other game. Instead of quantifiable progress, you get better at going through the motions, so to speak. It's the same, regardless. An activity that is being repeated until a certain amount of progress is made. 

  Saorlan

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1/08/12 12:41:10 PM#38

This thread is a perfect example of utter pointlessness.

Someone posted a half formed idea that made no sense and showed the appalling state of US or British education, then people actually responded by posting more mindless drivel.

I am adding further pointlessness with my post.

  AlBQuirky

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1/08/12 12:51:24 PM#39


Originally posted by toddze
No, its a forum for discussing games its not an english class, this is a far cry from a resume, no one is applying for a job. The only reason to correct grammer and spelling errors is to belittle and downgrade the poster to make you guys feel better.


This is a forum about games, but a forum none-the-less. It is about communicating one's ideas to others. If readers have to work too hard to make sense of another's postings, they give up and what that poster tried to communicate is lost. Remember, this is not a text chat. A poster has all the time in the world to write (type) their thoughts before hitting that "post" button.

I try to read through posts with bad grammar, misspellings, typos and/or dropped words. Sometimes, though, it is just too hard and not worth my time to decipher. Like it or not, it does reflect upon one's perceived intelligence.

*HINT*
Use the "preview" button before posting. Read through the post you just wrote before hitting that "post" button.

- Al

Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
- FARGIN_WAR

  Dibdabs

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1/08/12 1:22:25 PM#40
Originally posted by toddze
Originally posted by Dibdabs
Originally posted by Centhan
Originally posted by Dekarx12

lol yeh Hear*

 

And i think your getting at people wingeing about grinds? welcome to MMo forums and alot of those are asain type MMO's but alot of people know that so they dont get much attention?

 

its all about the TOR hate/Love arguments on this forum and thats getting old fast...

 

Next time OP with a more of a Conversation argumement instead of a fustration opener cause I'm still not 100% wtf your on about

I'm sorry, just can't let this one go...

How do you correct someone about their spelling, then go on to make grammatical errors yourself.

And what the hell is wingeing ?!?!  Still trying to figure that one out.

However, don't feel badly, YOU'RE not the only one in this thread (or countless others) who have done it.

I've highlighted a few more of his howlers in yellow.  A particularly funny part is his phrase "with a more of a", which is in dire need of some grammatical adjustment as well.  Using a conjunction to start a sentence is frowned on, but there's no actual rule about it, so I will let that stand uncorrected.  It's a shame forum access can't be restricted to those who can actually spell and write coherently.


Its a forum not an english class. Quite being grammer Nazi's. Not in every case but in some cases, English may not be someones first language.

I'm actually correcting someone who laughed at someone else's spelling when they wrote "Lol yeh Hear*".  To those who think spelling and grammar aren't important in a purely written medium, try being that sloppy in a job application or college thesis and see where it gets you.  Then you can give me fries with my order and/or wash my car windows for loose change at the next set of traffic lights

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