...is the conclusion I came to when I read this thread over on the SW:ToR official forums.

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=142056

Any thoughts?

Looking at the thread it seems to me quite a few of the posts are possative about it too . So its not exactly overwhelmingly displeased . Just a tad sensationalist and inacurate a forum headline given that fact . I've also encounterd a bit of world pvp while I've been playing and I'm not at the endgame yet . Balance always is an issue in any game .

You also have to remember people go onto threads to have a whine so its more likly you ll get negative comment than negative . Those happy with the game are more likly to simply play it and not spend time in threads talking about it .

Thus far I've found combat and pvp to be similar to all mmo pvp not really any better not really any worse .

I think it sucks  *shrug*

Then again, I think PvP in all MMORPG's sucks.  I fully enjoy my League of Legends PvP (there is no PvE in this game)...

Leave PvP to the games where it belongs.

Originally posted by OkhamsRazor

Looking at the thread it seems to me quite a few of the posts are possative about it too . So its not exacly overwhelmingly displeased .

Yeah SWTORs pvp is perfectly fine

and the sky is purple. Whatever floats your boat.

And telling people, the pvp doesnt have to be good because its a PVE game....is ridiculous.

It is something the Devs promised would be good. Its terrible. You the SWTOR fan deserve better.

Dont cop out and expect less. If its a part of the game, it needs to be great. 

Originally posted by OkhamsRazor

Looking at the thread it seems to me quite a few of the posts are possative about it too . So its not exacly overwhelmingly displeased .

 Not exactly... for every two positive comments, there are like 6-7 negative ones; and more on some... To me that is overwhelming, my guild has a few 50s, all who hate end game PvP... They say it is almost non-existant on Illum, and the BGs are getting boring.

I read like 9-10 pages and it appeared that it was:  if the player is lvl 40-50ish then they liked pvp and if they were lower then they didn't like it as much.  I think the reasons are obvious as to why.  Endgame pvp is the focal point of this games pvp and anything less than endgame would probably get slaughtered more times than not.  This pvp system model is definitely the worst imo.  Anarchy Online is what i would call an idea pvp system for a mmorpg, pvp lvl ranges so pvp at all levels is needed, not just endgame.  Lvl range pvp for land.  This makes people want to do more than just endgame pvp.

But w/e, i don't play TOR so i really don't care much, have fun.

I like the pvp huttball is more fun than it needs to be but keep in mind I dont realy care about pvp so if its fun im in and its fun.

Originally posted by OkhamsRazor

Originally posted by caremuchless

Originally posted by OkhamsRazor

Looking at the thread it seems to me quite a few of the posts are possative about it too . So its not exacly overwhelmingly displeased .

Yeah SWTORs pvp is perfectly fine

 

and the sky is purple. Whatever floats your boat.

 

And a troll is a troll .

Aw good ol WoW comebacks. I can do that too, watch

/ahem   clears throat,   Fail reply is fail.

Btw I wrote more, you can copy and reply to that if you wish.

Originally posted by Zarynterk

Originally posted by OkhamsRazor

Looking at the thread it seems to me quite a few of the posts are possative about it too . So its not exacly overwhelmingly displeased .

 Not exactly... for every two positive comments, there are like 6-7 negative ones; and more on some... To me that is overwhelming, my guild has a few 50s, all who hate end game PvP... They say it is almost non-existant on Illum, and the BGs are getting boring.

Again not an accurate statement . I looked through several pages theres nothing like that many negative comments for possative ones . Also as I said earlier people are more likly to be negative in forums than possative . If your enjoying something you just simply play it and enjoy it .

If the game was as bad as some people would have you believe even though we are in the first month you would see masses rage quitting .

But most of the servers are heavy or very heavy loads at peak times . Perhaps that speaks better than a few negative posts in forums .

If anything player numbers seem to be increasing .

Originally posted by caremuchless

Originally posted by OkhamsRazor

Originally posted by caremuchless

Originally posted by OkhamsRazor

Looking at the thread it seems to me quite a few of the posts are possative about it too . So its not exacly overwhelmingly displeased .

Yeah SWTORs pvp is perfectly fine

 

and the sky is purple. Whatever floats your boat.

 

And a troll is a troll .

Aw good ol WoW comebacks. I can do that too, watch

 

/ahem   clears throat,   Fail reply is fail.

 

Btw I wrote more, you can copy and reply to that if you wish.

Fastest selling mmo of all times a fail ??? lol well done with that comeback . I bet most games would love to have the kind of faliure ToR is having .

Originally posted by OkhamsRazor

Originally posted by caremuchless

Originally posted by OkhamsRazor

Originally posted by caremuchless

Originally posted by OkhamsRazor

Looking at the thread it seems to me quite a few of the posts are possative about it too . So its not exacly overwhelmingly displeased .

Yeah SWTORs pvp is perfectly fine

 

and the sky is purple. Whatever floats your boat.

 

And a troll is a troll .

Aw good ol WoW comebacks. I can do that too, watch

 

/ahem   clears throat,   Fail reply is fail.

 

Btw I wrote more, you can copy and reply to that if you wish.

Fastest selling mmo of all times a fail ??? lol well done with that comeback . I bet most games would love to have the kind of faliure ToR is having .

love when ppl write in yellow, so ill dog this fool writing in white. google crossfire mmofps. ill wait.....you find it yet? oh whats that? 860 mil in china alone??? in one year?? get your facts straight before you sound like a dumass on a public forum. go team yellow. 

edit=oh and if you wanna get technical and be that panzy that tries to win this with grammar, "fastest selling mmo of all time" your wrong again, codmw3, 6.5 million units in 24h in 2 countries, us/uk. team yellow lives. 

Did people actually expect the PvP to be any good?

Bioware's central focus was never really about PvP, don't know why folks would need to fucking cry about it.

Originally posted by Slowdoves

Bioware's central focus was never really about PvP, don't know why folks would need to fucking cry about it.

your fairly narrow minded. for most typical mmo's there are two primary features, swtor is no exception, pve and oh, whats that yea you guessed it if your not "slow"doves, pvp. pvp sucks thats 50% of the game down the drain. if you buy a 5 dollar footlong and get a 6 inch yea ppl are gonna be pissed. your name says it all...slow.

Originally posted by Slowdoves

Bioware's central focus was never really about PvP, don't know why folks would need to fucking cry about it.

lol curious, but what was their central focus? =D voice overs? story? can't think of anything else so it must be just 1 of those 2

Epic pvp was the huge snow battle on Hoth in Empire Strikes Back.  IT WAS NEVER HUTTBALL...I mean what is wrong with developers these days?

You follow this epic quest line for like 15 levels, and then you realize pvp is just variations on American Football and Tag.  This crap needs to end, players need to start caring and be vocal.  Lord of the Rings Online never gave us the Battle For Helm's Deep, World of Warcraft never once made anyone feel like  a real war was going on, not when quests crossed over by level 20 and you could moonwalk on your elf next to an MC Hammer dancing orc, my Age of Conan Barbarian was in a guild with Aquilonian, Cimmerian, and Stygian players, and we fought against...you guessed it, Aquilonian, Cimmerian, and Stygian players lol. 

Lazy, lackluster developers who spent all their time in classes learning code instead of hanging out in a few liberal arts classes studying real history, or reading literature that brought the concept of epic to mind in the works of Homer, and Tacitus.

Nothing epic, no one is even attempting to consider it.  On top of all this, in SW:TOR, while a lot of the game is good, they just kill immersion when you see your exact mirror in front of you in every instanced BG.  Boring, vanilla, yawnfest cut and paste.  This crap has to stop.

It's MMORPG PVP, what do you expect?

If you want good PVP, you play pure PVP games (MOBAs, RTSes, FPSes, Fighting, etc)

If someone goes into SWTOR thinking its going to differ from WoW's PvP, then they were clearly didn't do any research.

SWTOR is going to do exactly what WoW did, sadly. They will offer arena play soon. Mark my words. We will never see SWTOR come up with its own ideas about PvP. Open world PvP ain't happening. Its BGs, Wintergrasp and soon it will be arenas.

Originally posted by Comaf

Epic pvp was the huge snow battle on Hoth in Empire Strikes Back.  IT WAS NEVER HUTTBALL...I mean what is wrong with developers these days?

 

You follow this epic quest line for like 15 levels, and then you realize pvp is just variations on American Football and Tag.  This crap needs to end, players need to start caring and be vocal.  Lord of the Rings Online never gave us the Battle For Helm's Deep, World of Warcraft never once made anyone feel like  a real war was going on, not when quests crossed over by level 20 and you could moonwalk on your elf next to an MC Hammer dancing orc, my Age of Conan Barbarian was in a guild with Aquilonian, Cimmerian, and Stygian players, and we fought against...you guessed it, Aquilonian, Cimmerian, and Stygian players lol. 

 

Lazy, lackluster developers who spent all their time in classes learning code instead of hanging out in a few liberal arts classes studying real history, or reading literature that brought the concept of epic to mind in the works of Homer, and Tacitus.

 

Nothing epic, no one is even attempting to consider it.  On top of all this, in SW:TOR, while a lot of the game is good, they just kill immersion when you see your exact mirror in front of you in every instanced BG.  Boring, vanilla, yawnfest cut and paste.  This crap has to stop.

No game that isn't built on pvp will ever put that kind of effort. Devs don't believe enough people care about pvp. It's sad, the examples you used would've been cool. Good vs evil, sith vs Rep for control of planets, resources, etc. add in a third-criminal/nuetral faction and I bet a lot more people would get into pvp.

Lack of PvP is why I never bought the game after beta. Too bad they didn't invest more time/money, because they have the perfect IP for faction-based world PvP. Ah well, too bad for me.