Star Wars the Old Republic

Metacritic anonymous user score: 5.9/10

Sound bad out of context eh... ?

World of Warcraft Cataclysm:

Metacritic anonymous user score: 5.2/10

Wait is that the most overhyped and overpraised game on the market with a worse rating than 2nd, 3rd and 4th place on the MMORPG market?

Yet both together happen to be with large margin the two most popular games on the market at this moment.

Metacritic user rating have been horrible since ever. Even their "critic scores" are disputeable with lots of black sheep like paid reviews directly or indirectly trough ad space purchases or "presents" for bootlicking reviewer like exclusive interviews, info or invites to conventions or closed betas or websites pending biasedly towards populars games playerbase by offering the "deserved" high/higher ratings to their favorite game.

The fanatics are currently in the TOR forums trying to convice people that being put on a payment plan to even play your free first month is normal. I dont remeber having to do that since maybe the early early days. 

There is no doubt that Blizzard have screwed up, you only have to look at the amount of subscriptions they have lost per quarter (currently around 900k for this quarter).  If wow was released today it would be a massive fail because it would not hold on to it's player base.

Blizzard were counting on people staying with wow and then moving to their new MMO when that is released.  But Bioware has thrown a spanner in the works, TOR is a very good game and Blizzard assumed it wouldn't be because past competition wasn't.  Now Blizzard are panicing, which is why they are offering stuff like Diablo 3 for "free" with a year subscription, they are desparate to hang on to subscriptions for the kung-fu panda expansion and until their next game.

Originally posted by Sukiyaki

Star Wars the Old Republic

Metacritic anonymous user score: 5.9/10

Sound bad out of context eh... ?

 

World of Warcraft Cataclysm:

Metacritic anonymous user score: 5.2/10

Wait is that the most overhyped and overpraised game on the market with a worse rating than 2nd, 3rd and 4th place on the MMORPG market?

 

Yet both together happen to be with large margin the two most popular games on the market at this moment.

 

Metacritic user rating have been horrible since ever. Even their "critic scores" are disputeable with lots of black sheep like paid reviews directly or indirectly trough ad space purchases or "presents" for bootlicking reviewer like exclusive interviews, info or invites to conventions or closed betas or websites pending biasedly towards populars games playerbase by offering the "deserved" high/higher ratings to their favorite game.

so a whole brand new game is barely doing better then an x-pac, pretty sad ..

Originally posted by Azaria

The fanatics are currently in the TOR forums trying to convice people that being put on a payment plan to even play your free first month is normal. I dont remeber having to do that since maybe the early early days. 

That's been true with most MMOs I've played, only Free2Play MMO's don't have that.

Originally posted by Magter

Originally posted by Azaria

The fanatics are currently in the TOR forums trying to convice people that being put on a payment plan to even play your free first month is normal. I dont remeber having to do that since maybe the early early days. 

That's been true with most MMOs I've played, only Free2Play MMO's don't have that.

Thats been my experience as well but yet I read where its not so time and again. Maybe its different across the pond?

Originally posted by Razeron
They had about 240k~ online lastnight. Not very good for 48h out of the gates. (52-53 servers at about 4.5k a pop)

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Originally posted by ActionMMORPG
This is just the first round.  If I remember correctly the Deathwing grand-finale raids for Cata start December.  The die-hard raiders won't budge if that happens.  However, overall I agree.  I was expecting something far more serious from WoW than one race and a couple zones, especially pandas.

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It started and it ended, the hardcore raiders i know are now unsubbing and trying other stuff, mostly TOR.

Blizzard is still stuck in the mindset of it's other games. Competitive gaming is in their blood since Warcraft 2, but it just doesn't work in an MMO like WoW, especially if you also want to make it accessible to casual players. They skimp on customization features and other tools for individual expression and immersion like housing because they think "it doesn't fit" - They don't care about lore continuity because gameplay comes at #1, gameplay that has to remain accessible.

This muddled the core design of the game over the years and is now finally beginning to show the cracks.

A game like TOR just knows what it tries to be right from the getgo, though Bioware isn't a competitive game developer to begin with. They actually got the RPG in MMORPG, though i admit the MMO part falls a little short. Still, the game feels far more cohesive now than woW ever did.

Blizzard originally won people over with it's simple game design where casual players could get into MMO's, but they failed to understand the concept properly and rather than didn't, refused to build on it.

MoP will be a product from the content factory, not an expansion that actually tries to expand the game, if you know what i mean.

Originally posted by NasherUK

[...] they are desparate to hang on to subscriptions for the kung-fu panda expansion and until their next game.

$15 a month.. hmmm. no thanks.

lololololololol

Originally posted by NasherUK

There is no doubt that Blizzard have screwed up, you only have to look at the amount of subscriptions they have lost per quarter (currently around 900k for this quarter).  If wow was released today it would be a massive fail because it would not hold on to it's player base.

 

Blizzard were counting on people staying with wow and then moving to their new MMO when that is released.  But Bioware has thrown a spanner in the works, TOR is a very good game and Blizzard assumed it wouldn't be because past competition wasn't.  Now Blizzard are panicing, which is why they are offering stuff like Diablo 3 for "free" with a year subscription, they are desparate to hang on to subscriptions for the kung-fu panda expansion and until their next game.

OK but WoW wasn't released today it was released in 2004 so it's a silly argument really. They're hoping giving people incentive to stay will keep the playerbase up. Really not a novel or bad idea in business. Often businesses give incentives to keep customers.

Honestly,

Screw how long the game has been out. Screw all the non-sensical facts and those who haven't played both games.

Lets get right down to business.

What is the key difference between SWTOR and WoW? Well, one could say everything. While everything in WoW has a focus on swords, shields, and magic... SWTOR brings about the force and lightsabers. It's a futuristic game that will appeal to those who truely enjoy that style.

However, MMO's in many mindsets are that of the past. Games that involve swords and quests and battles against epic monsters.

Personally, I just can't find myself playing SWTOR. I personally enjoy raiding and game content and I lack that vision with SWTOR. With star-wards... to stay true to the fanboys... it's hard to escape the scope... to have fresher ideas and expand... while with games like WoW... it can only keep evolving... we joke about kung-fu panda but lets be honest, Blizzard has flashed pandas in the past... They are staying with what they have...

But I'm also not going to say don't play TOR; by all means if you love star-wars or futuristic styled games.... then it very well may be the game for you...

And to all those who are arguing that 10's and 0's and WHO ACTUALLY CARES... reviews and numbers are great... but just because someone gives a 10 to jumping off a bridge or a 0 to eating for 2 weeks doesn't mean you should make that your decision. If you have the money give it a shot. If you don't, find a friend that has it and use him (duh). Make a character and ask to play for 30 minutes (or kick him out of his own  house and play all night).

All for nothing its playstyle and expectations... WoW had a focus and set out to accomplish that. They didn't give in to all demands, but they do what allows the world to progress. Many don't like Cataclysm, but lets be honest the content was refreshing and fun. Personally, the questing in Uldum for me was most likely my favorite experience in WoW. It' had a touch of excitement that pressed you forward.

All in all, screw ratings and the little war that is going on between the two games. Take the time to decide for yourself. Don't stop eating because someone rated it a 0 or jump off a bridge because it got a 10... The numbers in the middle also are biased. Without a scale that breaks down every physical element, it will never be accurate or unbiased.

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Do your research, stay away from user-reviews, watch videos of gameplay, find friends that have either game, and find out first hand if its the game you want to play.

Best of luck and peace in the butt crease.

It's already starting to fade out of sight, after a week its user base is right there with EvE online so far a 50% drop since the holidays.  Unless they release some groundbreaking expansion or content patch in say, two weeks time, TOR is well on its way to a 300k player base or going FTP.

Originally posted by Azaria

It's already starting to fade out of sight, after a week its user base is right there with EvE online so far a 50% drop since the holidays.  Unless they release some groundbreaking expansion or content patch in say, two weeks time, TOR is well on its way to a 300k player base or going FTP.

I'm sorry but

what the fuck are you talking about?

Originally posted by Azaria

It's already starting to fade out of sight, after a week its user base is right there with EvE online so far a 50% drop since the holidays.  Unless they release some groundbreaking expansion or content patch in say, two weeks time, TOR is well on its way to a 300k player base or going FTP.

LOL

Originally posted by Azaria

It's already starting to fade out of sight, after a week its user base is right there with EvE online so far a 50% drop since the holidays.  Unless they release some groundbreaking expansion or content patch in say, two weeks time, TOR is well on its way to a 300k player base or going FTP.

Pretty much. TOR flopped HARD and personally I feel bad for anyone who wasted their money.

Originally posted by LordEric

What is the key difference between SWTOR and WoW? Well, one could say everything. While everything in WoW has a focus on swords, shields, and magic... SWTOR brings about the force and lightsabers. It's a futuristic game that will appeal to those who truely enjoy that style.

LOLOL

implying that lightsabers and "the force" is not the same thing as swords and magic!

Originally posted by Azaria

It's already starting to fade out of sight, after a week its user base is right there with EvE online so far a 50% drop since the holidays.  Unless they release some groundbreaking expansion or content patch in say, two weeks time, TOR is well on its way to a 300k player base or going FTP.

    Even if you were right, it's is more likely something like this would be due to people no longer having TIME OFF for the holidays than anything else.

Originally posted by Fearmeirl

Originally posted by Azaria

It's already starting to fade out of sight, after a week its user base is right there with EvE online so far a 50% drop since the holidays.  Unless they release some groundbreaking expansion or content patch in say, two weeks time, TOR is well on its way to a 300k player base or going FTP.

Pretty much. TOR flopped HARD and personally I feel bad for anyone who wasted their money.

Yet still the servers are full so theres plenty of people that must enjoy playing . This far into the first month if people hated it they would have rage quit .

And flopped ? Its the fastest selling mmo of all time . Hows that a flop .

Of course month two will be when it really tells but thus far apart from a little trolling in these forums nothing actually suggests it will be a flop .

So its a bit of a stupid comment to make because you have made it way too soon for it to be backed up with any kind of fact .

Originally posted by Azaria

It's already starting to fade out of sight, after a week its user base is right there with EvE online so far a 50% drop since the holidays.  Unless they release some groundbreaking expansion or content patch in say, two weeks time, TOR is well on its way to a 300k player base or going FTP.

I would like to see where you got these numbers perhaps you would like to post a link because if you cant it makes you look a bit of an idiot doesn't it ?

Originally posted by OkhamsRazor

Originally posted by Fearmeirl

Originally posted by Azaria

It's already starting to fade out of sight, after a week its user base is right there with EvE online so far a 50% drop since the holidays.  Unless they release some groundbreaking expansion or content patch in say, two weeks time, TOR is well on its way to a 300k player base or going FTP.

Pretty much. TOR flopped HARD and personally I feel bad for anyone who wasted their money.

Yet still the servers are full so theres plenty of people that must enjoy playing . This far into the first month if people hated it they would have rage quit .

And flopped ? Its the fastest selling mmo of all time . Hows that a flop .

Of course month two will be when it really tells but thus far apart from a little trolling in these forums nothing actually suggests it will be a flop .

So its a bit of a stupid comment to make because you have made it way too soon for it to be backed up with any kind of fact .

It flopped because he didn't buy it, and he's the only person that matters.