In the meanwhile the staggering and fading SWTOR 

made a growth by 17% of logged xfire user per day from last weeks wednesday.

reached a new record high of 11255 xfire user per day

reached a new record high against WoW with 57% of WoWs recorded xfireusernumbers

Which side was advocating the accuracy of xfire trends again?

Stay on topic please.

Originally posted by Sukiyaki

In the meanwhile the staggering and fading SWTOR 

made a growth by 17% of logged xfire user per day from last weeks wednesday.

reached a new record high of 11255 xfire user per day

reached a new record high against WoW with 57% of WoWs recorded xfireusernumbers

 

Which side was advocating the accuracy of xfire trends again?

I love how nobody wanted to comment after you posted this, as you basically put everyones foot in their mouths on both sides of the argument.  :-)  This thread should probably be closed too, there is some serious flaming going on, lol.

The funny thing is, I think most people here know that xfire does mean SOMETHING but it does not mean A LOT...  They've just let themselves become polarized by their like or dislike of the games direction.  I would argue that xfire players tend to move from game to game a lot.  So we are going to see a larger spike in initial players and a larger decline as well.  That doesn't really hurt SWTOR or help it; just something to keep in mind while interpreting xfire stats.

Originally posted by wormywyrm

Originally posted by Sukiyaki

In the meanwhile the staggering and fading SWTOR 

made a growth by 17% of logged xfire user per day from last weeks wednesday.

reached a new record high of 11255 xfire user per day

reached a new record high against WoW with 57% of WoWs recorded xfireusernumbers

 

Which side was advocating the accuracy of xfire trends again?

I love how nobody wanted to comment after you posted this, as you basically put everyones foot in their mouths on both sides of the argument.  :-)  This thread should probably be closed too, there is some serious flaming going on, lol.

The funny thing is, I think most people here know that xfire does mean SOMETHING but it does not mean A LOT...  They've just let themselves become polarized by their like or dislike of the games direction.  I would argue that xfire players tend to move from game to game a lot.  So we are going to see a larger spike in initial players and a larger decline as well.  That doesn't really hurt SWTOR or help it; just something to keep in mind while interpreting xfire stats.

If a few days barely qualified as a trend, a random spike certainly doesn't.  I thought maybe that was on a saturday, but on a teusday?  Who knows.  If it keeps going up, or even levels off at that higher point, that will be something to talk about - I"d have no explanation, but until we see if that even happens, there just isn't much to comment on.

We're not all just using statistics in an attempt to back up already made-up minds.  Some of us really are curious about the truth, and how it will play out.  IMHO, XFire helps with that, even if it doesn't "prove" anything..  I don't know why anyone's looking for scientific accuracy just to chat about gaming trends on a forum, but I'm not going to get into bickering about that.

Jan 4th 2012: 60875

Down from 3rd (71154) 10279.

I suppose this is just because of the maintenances?

You should probably compare to the same weekday the week before and not the day before. I find these sort of figures very fun to speculate about, but it will take a month or two, or even more before they really tell us anything.

Yes i think the last big maintenance day was the 27 with the lowest 53.400, so probably it's the maintenance.

who cares about xfire numbers?

If the person playing is haveing fun with the game, then the person will play the game.  Xfire numbers cant be counted on, because its 1 out 100000 that uses xfire!

Active guild member numbers at prime for me:

week 1: 80%
Week 2: 50%
Week 3: 10%

This is verified by the fact that their levels haven't budged, stopped at 15-25...all of them.

So i take that as a little snapshot.

Originally posted by Snikz

who cares about xfire numbers?

 

If the person playing is haveing fun with the game, then the person will play the game.  Xfire numbers cant be counted on, because its 1 out 100000 that uses xfire!

That would mean there are more than 1.1 Billion ppl playing SWTOR.

Exaggeration. Do it right.

Originally posted by Sukiyaki

In the meanwhile the staggering and fading SWTOR 

made a growth by 17% of logged xfire user per day from last weeks wednesday.

reached a new record high of 11255 xfire user per day

reached a new record high against WoW with 57% of WoWs recorded xfireusernumbers

Which side was advocating the accuracy of xfire trends again?

Lol, it is still far to unsure to say anything one way or another. We wont have any true clue one way or another until we see how large percantage of the players that start paying the monthly fees once the free month is up.

The only time X-fire stats are useful is when you have months of ratings, and only if it goes up or down a lot. Comparing to other game it gets really pointless.

Originally posted by Snikz

who cares about xfire numbers?

 

If the person playing is haveing fun with the game, then the person will play the game.  Xfire numbers cant be counted on, because its 1 out 100000 that uses xfire!

By that reasoning if the person playign is having fun then he would be playing the game rather being on the forums and we can close down this forum. Flawless logic there!

Originally posted by tom_gore

Originally posted by Snikz

who cares about xfire numbers?

 

If the person playing is haveing fun with the game, then the person will play the game.  Xfire numbers cant be counted on, because its 1 out 100000 that uses xfire!

That would mean there are more than 1.1 Billion ppl playing SWTOR.

Exaggeration. Do it right.

 

 Yes my lord!

Saw i added to many zero'es on it, i was just trying to make a point about that u cant use xfire numbers for ANYTHING!! So tom did I spell it right?

Originally posted by wormywyrm

Originally posted by Sukiyaki

In the meanwhile the staggering and fading SWTOR 

made a growth by 17% of logged xfire user per day from last weeks wednesday.

reached a new record high of 11255 xfire user per day

reached a new record high against WoW with 57% of WoWs recorded xfireusernumbers

 

Which side was advocating the accuracy of xfire trends again?

I love how nobody wanted to comment after you posted this, as you basically put everyones foot in their mouths on both sides of the argument.  :-)  This thread should probably be closed too, there is some serious flaming going on, lol.

The funny thing is, I think most people here know that xfire does mean SOMETHING but it does not mean A LOT...  They've just let themselves become polarized by their like or dislike of the games direction.  I would argue that xfire players tend to move from game to game a lot.  So we are going to see a larger spike in initial players and a larger decline as well.  That doesn't really hurt SWTOR or help it; just something to keep in mind while interpreting xfire stats.

Actually, no he didn't.

He was correct in representing that these are trends WITHIN X-fire.

If he tried to apply this outside of X-fire, then he'd be using completely invalid data.

Originally posted by Vhaln

 

If a few days barely qualified as a trend, a random spike certainly doesn't.  

This.

Again-- anything before the end of the first month is pointless. The game just launched. It's new and shiny. We need to wait until people actually start paying sub fees before we can really start to predict the state of the game or where it will go in the long term. And I say this as a fan of the game.

Originally posted by Pelaaja

Jan 4th 2012: 60875

Down from 3rd (71154) 10279.

I suppose this is just because of the maintenances?

The key statistic isn't how many hours played but rather how many unique players.  They are upto 11052 vs 19933 for wow.

Just last week they were only around 40% and now they have climbed to well over 50%...

Unlike most games swtor is still gradually climbing after the initial burp.  This kinda implies that viral forces of friends talking to friends is bringing in more people.

Considering how many people are playing swtor (1.5-2m) and the very small amount of people who actually use xfire...I doubt that this proves anything or has any relevance to anything population wise whatsoever.

Originally posted by Snikz

who cares about xfire numbers?

 

If the person playing is haveing fun with the game, then the person will play the game.  Xfire numbers cant be counted on, because its 1 out 100000 that uses xfire!

You know of course that when polling results for presidential elections they generate the numbers based on samplings of say 1000 people.  Yet they indicate polling accuracies in the +/- a few percent...  So a poll of 1000 people can fairly accurately assess the standings of 350M people.  or 1 in 350000

Seems to me that even 1 in 100000 can be indicative of the larger group and with even greater accuracy than polling.  :)

This is interesting to read http://www.financialwebring.org/gummy-stuff/polling.htm

Course xfire even through higher then a normal poll can have some skew in the results.  Since it is a self selecting group it might be that xfire users tend to all be a certain age group or perhaps all live in a certain part of the country so maybe a greater number of xfire users like to play wow then other games or some other oddball selection.  This might skew numbers between games but much less so for a specific game.

Originally posted by Vegetto

Active guild member numbers at prime for me:

week 1: 80%
Week 2: 50%
Week 3: 10%

This is verified by the fact that their levels haven't budged, stopped at 15-25...all of them.

So i take that as a little snapshot.

If Xfire numbers are meaningless, these numbers are below meaningless.  Sounds like a bad guild to me. My guild is still growing, and very few people have gone inactive. Less than 5%.  

Some people go inactive because they re-rolled. Or they were just parking an alt in your guild because they never had serious intentions of joining in the first place.

Originally posted by fony

yikes. same guys touting Xfire numbers the other day when their fav game was at 50% of WoW's users now say it don't matter.

HAHAHAHA LOL

Now thats funny.