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  saker

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1/04/12 2:39:58 PM#21

I've (tried) to post the Destructoid page to Current.com hopefully it'l post and many more politically active people will go ahead and bombard these companies with emails!


  fenistil

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1/04/12 2:54:51 PM#22

There is second bill made up at same time ( hint : NOW!) called "Protect IP" - it is as bad as SOPA.


 


Hope "SOPA" is not used as smoke screen for "Protect IP"


 


Both of them are basically about same thing as both as bad.


  Ozmodan

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1/04/12 3:55:11 PM#23

Problem with SOPA it removes due process or at least severly limits it.  That process is guarenteed in out constitution.  I can understand it being limited when it comes to national security, but absolutely NOT for the copyright protection issue, that is ludicrous.  That just goes too far allowing someone in the government to make a decision that circumvents the current court system over an issue that deals strictly with money.

This law would make any website have to self police itself.  So no website would be able to allow anyone to post anything to it without at first a review process that would be outrageously expensive.  Basically it would immediately kill any social website.

Can't believe anyone in their right mind would support it.  Personally the way it is currently written, it would not survive a trip to the supreme court.

  Pilnkplonk

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1/04/12 3:58:06 PM#24
Originally posted by Gdemami

So you post it here in News but lock any thread actually discussing same topic?

Agree. My two threads were locked with a total banhammer then. My bum is still sore.

Maybe it was because SW:TOR was releasing then and SOPA is supported by EA?

 

On topic, SOPA is a NWO monstrosity that would make North Korea proud and, if passed, would pretty much end internet as we know it... or not. Maybe it would just totally destroy US information-based economy and make it the laughing-stock dunce of the world... "You had it all, and then you blew it! All on your own! Thank you, thank you!" and all for the sake of a few desperate corporate dinosaurs still clinging to their antiquated revenue models.

If I were any more paranoid, I'd say it's the chinese secret services pushing the bill as a form of covert economic warfare.

It's shameful that US congress is even considering such a thing.

  Gdemami

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1/04/12 4:22:51 PM#25


Originally posted by Pilnkplonk

Maybe it was because SW:TOR was releasing then and SOPA is supported by EA?


More like MMORPG.COM does not operate as mind hive. It got cleared out, no big deal.


I am leaning towards an opinion that it might actually pass but won't last long anyway. There are too many holes in the document.

  kalinis

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1/04/12 4:27:18 PM#26

sopa is a great rule. People who violate copyright laws who hack acconts and pirate games deserver to go to jail

Sorry companies put alot of money into making games, music, and movies and people who violate the law to pirate them deserver to go to jail

im in favor of sopa, pirateing of stuff has to stop, I cant wait till annonymous is all in jail for hacking. 

How anyone can deffend people who pirate , and hack stuff is byone me they are criminals people. 

  orsonstfu

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Joined: 2/12/08
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1/04/12 4:29:58 PM#27

SOPA is just another example of how the government is trying to police the country, America should resist teh urge to have government act as if it your mother and father.

 

It's just a long line of freedoms being taken away.

 

Just so you know SOPA isn't just about pirates. It has far more consequences than piracy not to mention the defination they use for piracy isn't what you think it is.

  Gdemami

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Posts: 6731

1/04/12 4:36:32 PM#28


Originally posted by kalinis
sopa is a great rule. People who violate copyright laws who hack acconts and pirate games deserver to go to jail
Sorry companies put alot of money into making games, music, and movies and people who violate the law to pirate them deserver to go to jail
im in favor of sopa, pirateing of stuff has to stop, I cant wait till annonymous is all in jail for hacking. 
How anyone can deffend people who pirate , and hack stuff is byone me they are criminals people. 

I do not think there are many people disputing copyright and intellectual property protection, problem is how they want to protect it.

Currently it reminds an attempt of killing a fly with M1 Abrams.


They want to make web services liable for their content and then mess up with internet protocols handling the website names.


Only more harm than good can come out from current form of SOPA.

  Jimmac

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Joined: 2/28/10
Posts: 1663

1/04/12 5:12:43 PM#29
Originally posted by kalinis

sopa is a great rule. People who violate copyright laws who hack acconts and pirate games deserver to go to jail

Sorry companies put alot of money into making games, music, and movies and people who violate the law to pirate them deserver to go to jail

im in favor of sopa, pirateing of stuff has to stop, I cant wait till annonymous is all in jail for hacking. 

How anyone can deffend people who pirate , and hack stuff is byone me they are criminals people. 

Regardless of how terrible copyright violations are, we shouldn't just grant the government and businesses unprecedented levels of authority and power to combat the violations. Even if you believe the stated cause of the bill is just (ie combating copyright violation), it does not automatically follow that the methods laid out in the bill for fulfilling that cause are constitutional or proper in a freedom-based society.

Sure, you hate the copyright violators. Okay, but this bill goes much farther than that. The damage this bill will do greatly outweighs any benefits that will come from it. If the bill passes, our society will be giving up a whole lot for very little.

If you want better laws concerning copyright violation, go for it. Find another way to go after copyright violations, a way that won't completely destroy the foundations of our society and the internet. There are many options when it comes to enforcing the law. SOPA is about the worst possible option. Go champion a better one.

  Jimmac

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1/04/12 5:16:08 PM#30

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I think it would be great for mmorpg.com to take a stance on the issue. If they are against SOPA, then they should join the rest of us. If they are for SOPA, then I'd like to see some good reasons for it by one of the talented writers on their staff.

  Pilnkplonk

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1/04/12 5:19:19 PM#31
Originally posted by kalinis

sopa is a great rule. People who violate copyright laws who hack acconts and pirate games deserver to go to jail

Sorry companies put alot of money into making games, music, and movies and people who violate the law to pirate them deserver to go to jail

im in favor of sopa, pirateing of stuff has to stop, I cant wait till annonymous is all in jail for hacking. 

How anyone can deffend people who pirate , and hack stuff is byone me they are criminals people. 

Hey man, I agree with you, believe it or not.

But the problem is that SOPA is not about stopping piracy. Yes, I know that it sounds incredible and outlandish but certain parties are using piracy concerns in order  to push their interests at the expense of everybody, including the people they purport to protect. Stop the press lol, a trojan horse bill is being passed through the congress! Who would have EVER thought of that?!

SOPA is all about a) old media trying to retain their primacy in the face of new technologies and b) corporate control where those with more money can directly dictate their interests without even giving a nod to the due process of law.

Most tech companies are dead-set against it. Apple is against it. Steam is totally against it. I love the statement that Steam owner dude gave, it goes something like this: "Piracy is not a theft problem. It is service problem. If we can compete with pirates in terms of service, we'll win." And you know what? He is totally right, as is Apple.

I pirated sh**loads of games but I don't pirate Steam games. Why? Because it's a good service and I know the $$ goes into the right hands and the same goes with iStore. I pirated mp3s until that came along. Compare this with UBI soft or EA where they go out of their way to screw up their products with DRM and insult the customers with constant threats. And the same goes with DVDs where I pay 20$ to be forced to watch commercials and get threatened by the FBI. Jeez I torrent movies THAT I OWN on DVD just so I don't have to go through that crap. Well FU, morons. I'm not paying good money to be insulted and picked upon.

Artists and developers are MASSIVELY against SOPA because they were being utterly screwed using the old models and they understand that SOPA is nothing more than an attempt by the greedy useless corporate pigs to turn back the clock and keep living off their honest work.

 

  fatboy21007

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1/04/12 5:24:48 PM#32

Hey, for those supporting SOPA, So ya want the gov to gain control over the net, alright, So you want them to do the same mess they did with are economy with the internet?. Btw, even if Anom is busted, theirs thousands like him out their, its a bug that well, weill never go away. So ask your selves this, Do you want the gov to control the net the same way they control their spening habits? . Personally i dont, and i like my gaming sites, and i pray steam doesnt get hurt by this. However, THis also means No posting pictures of any singers, no playing their songs, sticking them on profiles, technically you cant even talk about them. You all shoul go read EXactly wat SOPA does, instead of listening to websites giving 5% of the content and hiding the 95% that they dont want ya to know. Sites like Youtube will get hit hardest by this.  Then facebook,myspace all the social sites. THen ya got sites like this one, and other gaming sites that will get nailed for even posting ingame videos as thats copyright infringement according to SOPA. Welcome to the world those of u who want to vote for this, are helping create, Peace. (btw its the net, so dont care bout perfect typin skills, :-P )

  Pilnkplonk

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1/04/12 5:29:36 PM#33

As for the idea that mmorpg.com is somehow supporting SOPA... I don't buy it. Their site profile is basically a prime target for SOPA. I'd take them down with a well placed Justin Bieber pic. Jeez, my avatar alone would be enough for the whole site to be shut down.

And all in the name of "combating piracy." Do they take us for morons?!?!

  Gdemami

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Posts: 6731

1/04/12 5:32:30 PM#34


Originally posted by Pilnkplonk

Steam is totally against it. I love the statement that Steam owner dude gave, it goes something like this: "Piracy is not a theft problem. It is service problem. If we can compete with pirates in terms of service, we'll win." And you know what? He is totally right, as was Apple.
 


Yet, Bethesda, with their Skyrim being offered via Steam, is crying out loud about profits they lose to pirated copies...


The more titles will Steam offer, more money they will make but developers will be losing same money as ever.

Note:

Also, Steam uses their own DRM...

  kakasaki

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"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!"

1/04/12 5:37:24 PM#35
Originally posted by lizardbones

Personally, I plan on putting some effort into not purchasing anything from Sony, who is supporting SOPA. It may be hard to not purchase anything from anyone who supports SOPA, but I plan on putting some effort into doing that.

I agree. Heck, I will cancel my Vanguard sub over this and let them know my reason for cancelling. I know, I know, what do they care about one sub to an almost dead game anyways. But heck, it is the principle of the thing!

A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...

  Pilnkplonk

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1/04/12 5:48:01 PM#36
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by Pilnkplonk

Steam is totally against it. I love the statement that Steam owner dude gave, it goes something like this: "Piracy is not a theft problem. It is service problem. If we can compete with pirates in terms of service, we'll win." And you know what? He is totally right, as was Apple.
 


 

Yet, Bethesda, with their Skyrim being offered via Steam, is crying out loud about profits they lose to pirated copies...


The more titles will Steam offer, more money they will make but developers will be losing same money as ever.

Piracy will never go away. It's as old as there is entertainment lol.

It is an ongoing battle and will always be.

However, SOPA is not about piracy at all. SOPA is about EA being able to automatically take down a site like this because it does not like the reviews or even forum discussions on a pretext of me having an avatar depicting Woody Harrelson. That's what SOPA really is... Heck, under SOPA they don't even have to mention old Woody - they just need to say "Take it down," without having to give ANY REASON FOR IT. NONE. And if the court says that there is no reason for this, that they were wrong, they can just reply - "We don't care, it stays down."

It gives TOTAL POWER over the internet, without ANY safeguards, and I mean ANY SAFEGUARDS to anyone with enough money. It removes all protections for free speech, all of them.

And don't tell me I'm paranoid. It already started happening but it was stopped because of legal and constitutional provisions that protect freedom of speech and expression. Like that Uri Geller scandal where he used "copyright violation" to take down critic videos off youtube... and this awesome crap with UniversalMusic which took down a music video off youtube just because "it didn't like it".. and no ifs and buts. They just don't like it, have no claim over the content or the artists and the law can just shrug. Nice, innit? Thankfully there are still some safeguards against this total bullying but it is exactly what is to become commonplace if SOPA goes in effect.

It is not about piracy, AT ALL.

It is not about "making order" on the internet but exactly the opposite - it removes the laws safeguarding internet and replaces them with unbridled plutocratic anarchy, a blank check for anybody with a big enough stick.

It's like combatting parking violations in a city by giving everybody machine guns and abolishing all laws. It's just insane.

 

  redpins

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People simply can't create fun for themselves!

1/04/12 6:02:02 PM#37

Piracy comes from people who would never buy the game in the first place. It is wrong, horrible and has costed me dearly in times past. Most games today need to offer a demo, so atleast you can play before you commit $60 for a turd online game. To make matter worst, SOPA is disguised as a internet anti piracy bill. If you even READ SOPA, you will find out it is not a internet anti piracy bill, but rather the construction on the limitations that will allow big business to squash out any internet millionaires alongside the government powers. Read the bill, stop being ignorant, and start voting against it. Anyone in their right mind would be against this bill, it is in violation of our amendments to the constitution.


On the impact side, there are sites with over 1 million signatures AGAINST SOPA, with case being able to sue the US goverment and reverse the bill. I bet you all that agree with SOPA agree to be internet sales taxed like in California? Any transaction, including payments via PayPal are subject to internet sales tax begining summer of 2012 by Governor Brown. The dork killed his campaign with this motion, but such a law is however unconstitutional. Regardless of the red zone of a state or federal budget operation, such laws are harsh and violations of freedom.


I am against SOPA and against Piracy. Good luck with trying to justify the government telling you what you can do at certain times of day. This is the start, the more pushes and laws that they get away with, and it will only get worst. No problem for those who don't care, they like being controled like cattle only guided from food the bed with the help of the government.


I struggle not with life, money, emotions, and world, but against old mindsets and selves to be proven obsolete in a age and time of rapid changes. Go create fun, so you can have fun.

  Ozmodan

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1/04/12 6:44:22 PM#38
Originally posted by kalinis

sopa is a great rule. People who violate copyright laws who hack acconts and pirate games deserver to go to jail

Sorry companies put alot of money into making games, music, and movies and people who violate the law to pirate them deserver to go to jail

im in favor of sopa, pirateing of stuff has to stop, I cant wait till annonymous is all in jail for hacking. 

How anyone can deffend people who pirate , and hack stuff is byone me they are criminals people. 

So you support the removal of all social networks?  Like Facebook, UTube, etc.  None can operate under SOPA because they cannot afford to monitor content added by people.

I hate pirates.  I don't pirate software, download unpurchased music or violate copyright rules and don't approve of those that do.  The idea thing that this law will fix that activity is ludicrous.  

You really should read up on what the law does before you support it because you look foolish doing so.

  grimm6th

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1/04/12 7:11:19 PM#39
Originally posted by Ozmodan
Originally posted by kalinis

sopa is a great rule. People who violate copyright laws who hack acconts and pirate games deserver to go to jail

Sorry companies put alot of money into making games, music, and movies and people who violate the law to pirate them deserver to go to jail

im in favor of sopa, pirateing of stuff has to stop, I cant wait till annonymous is all in jail for hacking. 

How anyone can deffend people who pirate , and hack stuff is byone me they are criminals people. 

So you support the removal of all social networks?  Like Facebook, UTube, etc.  None can operate under SOPA because they cannot afford to monitor content added by people.

I hate pirates.  I don't pirate software, download unpurchased music or violate copyright rules and don't approve of those that do.  The idea thing that this law will fix that activity is ludicrous.  

You really should read up on what the law does before you support it because you look foolish doing so.

The same goes to any large forum site (like this).  Heck, after reading the actual bill, I was half considering the possibilty of somebody trolling through the internet posting things that would get sites blacklisted, and I realized that it is just too easy (if SOPA was passed, I'm sure there would be somebody who sould do this).

On a side note, if SOPA were to actually pass, the internet would probably just adapt to circumvent it, the consequence being that the companies that we all depend on these days would no longer be paying US taxes...you can't fight the internet and win.

I used to TL;DR, but then I took a bullet point to the footnote.

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1/04/12 7:18:48 PM#40
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by Pilnkplonk

 

Steam is totally against it. I love the statement that Steam owner dude gave, it goes something like this: "Piracy is not a theft problem. It is service problem. If we can compete with pirates in terms of service, we'll win." And you know what? He is totally right, as was Apple.
 


 

Yet, Bethesda, with their Skyrim being offered via Steam, is crying out loud about profits they lose to pirated copies...


The more titles will Steam offer, more money they will make but developers will be losing same money as ever.

Note:

Also, Steam uses their own DRM...

Piracy isn't what people are worried about with regards to SOPA and it's sister bill PIPA being passed. It's the disasterously dangerous way these bills are worded that allows them to be used to squelch free speech and innovation from start up companies.

These bills are like trying to kill cockroaches with a nuclear bomb. You might kill the ones in the direct blast area, but it will just drive the others into hiding as everything else burns.

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