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  Arawulf

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1/03/12 12:50:32 PM#41
http://www.askajedi.com/2012/01/03/venturebeat-tor-drops-28-spots-on-uk-sales-charts/

Posting from my phone so I can't make it a direct link but it talks about a supply problem.
  Gibbonici

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1/03/12 12:55:28 PM#42

Seems about right given the time of year and the games that have sold better than the only MMO in the list.

 

Kids games, casual games and console games - it's exactly what you'd expect over the Xmas period.

  BigMango

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1/03/12 1:02:04 PM#43
Originally posted by Qazaam
http://www.askajedi.com/2012/01/03/venturebeat-tor-drops-28-spots-on-uk-sales-charts/

Posting from my phone so I can't make it a direct link but it talks about a supply problem.

 

Of course, people from many countries in Europe (and elsewhere) are ordering online from the UK as everything is cheaper there. (Movies, PC games, console games, etc...).

So if they limited the boxes there's no wonder it's sold out in the UK.

 

[UPDATED] Leo Olebe, BioWare’s Director of Marketing posted a Tweet that may explain some of the drop in sales volume. Remember how supplies were limited to ensure a good launch of the service? Yep:

@LeoOlebe @askajedi We limited the supply upfront so the game is very hard to find right now.  We’re getting more out there for y’all ASAP!

 

  Scalebane

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1/03/12 1:13:20 PM#44
Originally posted by BigMango
Originally posted by Qazaam
http://www.askajedi.com/2012/01/03/venturebeat-tor-drops-28-spots-on-uk-sales-charts/

Posting from my phone so I can't make it a direct link but it talks about a supply problem.

 

Of course, people from many countries in Europe (and elsewhere) are ordering online from the UK as everything is cheaper there. (Movies, PC games, console games, etc...).

So if they limited the boxes there's no wonder it's sold out in the UK.

 

[UPDATED] Leo Olebe, BioWare’s Director of Marketing posted a Tweet that may explain some of the drop in sales volume. Remember how supplies were limited to ensure a good launch of the service? Yep:

@LeoOlebe @askajedi We limited the supply upfront so the game is very hard to find right now.  We’re getting more out there for y’all ASAP!

 

i don't know why he thinks its hard to find, the stores around my area still have lots of them on the shelves.  maybe he means just in certain areas.

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  IPolygon

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1/03/12 1:18:06 PM#45

So what? WoW and others grew over years too.

  BigMango

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1/03/12 1:18:14 PM#46
Originally posted by Scalebane
Originally posted by BigMango
Originally posted by Qazaam
http://www.askajedi.com/2012/01/03/venturebeat-tor-drops-28-spots-on-uk-sales-charts/

Posting from my phone so I can't make it a direct link but it talks about a supply problem.

 

Of course, people from many countries in Europe (and elsewhere) are ordering online from the UK as everything is cheaper there. (Movies, PC games, console games, etc...).

So if they limited the boxes there's no wonder it's sold out in the UK.

 

[UPDATED] Leo Olebe, BioWare’s Director of Marketing posted a Tweet that may explain some of the drop in sales volume. Remember how supplies were limited to ensure a good launch of the service? Yep:

@LeoOlebe @askajedi We limited the supply upfront so the game is very hard to find right now.  We’re getting more out there for y’all ASAP!

 

i don't know why he thinks its hard to find, the stores around my area still have lots of them on the shelves.  maybe he means just in certain areas.

 

Some of the big UK sites sending out international orders are out of stock.

For example, Amazon.co.uk is out of stock until January 10th.

But perhaps it isn't the answer to everything. We'll see...

  Nethermancer

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1/03/12 1:19:08 PM#47

I wonder how many digital copies they would have sold if they were on steam and put the game for 25% off during chistmas sale

hmmmmmmm

i dislike EA but luckily they shoot them selves in the foot a lot

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  Purutzil

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1/03/12 1:19:16 PM#48

Its to be expected the sales will drop after launch, but I must say that drop for box is pretty large, even taking that into consideration. 


  GrayGhost79

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1/03/12 1:33:04 PM#49
Originally posted by Scalebane
Originally posted by BigMango
Originally posted by Qazaam
http://www.askajedi.com/2012/01/03/venturebeat-tor-drops-28-spots-on-uk-sales-charts/

Posting from my phone so I can't make it a direct link but it talks about a supply problem.

 

Of course, people from many countries in Europe (and elsewhere) are ordering online from the UK as everything is cheaper there. (Movies, PC games, console games, etc...).

So if they limited the boxes there's no wonder it's sold out in the UK.

 

[UPDATED] Leo Olebe, BioWare’s Director of Marketing posted a Tweet that may explain some of the drop in sales volume. Remember how supplies were limited to ensure a good launch of the service? Yep:

@LeoOlebe @askajedi We limited the supply upfront so the game is very hard to find right now.  We’re getting more out there for y’all ASAP!

 

i don't know why he thinks its hard to find, the stores around my area still have lots of them on the shelves.  maybe he means just in certain areas.

I'll put it this way........

Some place like La Junta, CO should have plenty of copies left since the total population is less than 8k

Places like Atl, Ga. will not with a population of 400k+  or NY boasting around 8mil. 

Chain retailers tend to come up with a base number all stores should get then send extra to stores that seem to sale higher volume on video games in general. 

This is why you end up with plenty of copies on shelves in a place like La Junta and end up with 0 left in a place like NYC or ATL or even London. 

  Tymora

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1/03/12 1:33:08 PM#50

After getting my 1st copy, I looked for another boxed version of the game for my son, who has been playing more than I expected he would.  I could not find one in any of the Gamestop retail stores nor at the Best Buy near me.  I think boxes simple ran out . . .   I bought the digital version.  I would be interested to see total sales of the game, just to verify my theory.


  Vorthanion

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1/03/12 1:36:49 PM#51



Originally posted by itgrowls










Originally posted by pharazonic









It's downhill from here ;)















 








that's exactly what i was thinking HA. so much for the WoW killer. People are already at level 50 and crying for more end game content of which the devs haven't even started yet. Not gonna have a good first six months without longevity.











 




The game wasn't targeted at power gamers.  Their cries will fall on deaf ears and the rest of us will be more than happy to see them leave and darken someone else's digital door.  Gotta love power gamers whining about lack of content for their play style in a casual game.  If they're stupid enough to buy that kind of game, then they deserve all the unpleasantness they get.


P.S.  In the scheme of things, I don't think it really matters if this game dethrones WoW.  It's already a success and if it maintains that success, then the rest of it doesn't really matter at all.





 

  Zeblade

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1/03/12 1:53:25 PM#52

Well it will be a wow killer its just way to easy. As for sells lol duh they say they only put a short supply out there. Yet my best buy has them.

But if you been playing then you know people have left and again duh it just launched. Give it about 3-6 months will tell. They just droppled the ball with the amount of bugs.. no dont even its been over 7 years since wow and they should have learned. Also customer service.. is just awful.

 

  Ravensworth

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1/03/12 1:54:13 PM#53
Originally posted by Ethos86

A.I don't understand how some people always think that because these numbers only show retail boxes, the numbers would be that much better for the digital sales.

B. Most other games in that list also have digital sales and it's not because it's an MMO that the % retail vs digital is that much different. If anything, who would really want to buy SW:ToR digital when everybody hates Origin (SW:ToR is not available on Steam) and want to avoid it at all cost...

Battlefield 3, aslo an EA game who's also available on Origin digital download is still peaking in that sales list and it's released 25 October (and it had massive pre-orders which broke records). That's almost 2 months before SW:ToR. It's been out for 5x longer than SW:ToR and it's on the 3rd spot as opposed to SW:ToR's 38th spot.

C. Skyrim for example, who was released 1,5 months ago is still on the 8th place in the same list and that game is even available on Steam. As we all know, Steam is a much more popular platform for digital download than Origin thus if it would really be digital downloads hurting the retail sales... then Skyrim would have a bigger loss in retail numbers than SW:ToR has.

In other words, the arguments that SW:ToR is low in retail sales list because of digital sales or because of preorders, are nothing more than myths.

D. What should alarm people is the trend which clearly shows form charts like this. The SW:ToR hype is dying very very fast if you ask me. Unlike Skyrim who created several meme's since it's release and where you still hear things like "omg if you havn't played this game already, you must check it out for sure".

I still play SW:ToR btw, I had 90 days of sub and I started playing the 20th december. I enjoy it and played it for about 45 hours in less than 2 weeks. I played Skyrim too, something like 55 hours. While I think I'll eventually spend more time on SW:ToR I do think it won't leave such a mark on the Game scene as Skyrim did. Every minute I played Skyrim felt special and I had plenty of awesome moments where I was really impressed by the game. I couldn't stop talking about it to my friends like... GO AND PLAY THIS F*ING GAME OR I WILL NEVER EVER LISTEN TO YOU AGAIN IF YOU TALK ABOUT ANY GAME TO ME WITHOUT HAVING EXPERIENCED SKYRIM I'm not having that with SW:ToR bc while I enjoy the entertainment it gives me for my money, it's not leaving that mark on me...

E. What might hurt SW:ToR long term sales is the word of mouth positive feedback... or the lack thereof...

- Skyrim intrigued me in it's first hour... other people felt the same = mouth to mouth promotion = good continued sales

- SW:ToR entertains me but doesn't stunn me with awesomeness = big hype dying fast after release = faster sale drop after preorder and initial sales

 

Ow yeah, by the way. I bought SW:ToR for 39 euro in retail store (Saturn, Media Markt). Online digital download costs 50 euro. Do you guys really think they sell so much digital versions of this game? That's being very delusional if you ask me...

Digital download being 11 euro's more expensive than having a boxed retail version...

 

Edit:

Either the list isn't correct (like the guy below me suggests), or those numbers show a very bad future for SW:ToR and everyone believing that it's bc of digital sales should open their fanboy-eyes and realised other games in those charts also have digital sales.

A. I think that depends on where you live. In the US many people buy MMO's Digitally and some are only available that way.

B. Disagree here. I hate steam and have alot of friends that do as well. Battlefield 3 is a really bad comparison as it is a different type of game, is available on many different platforms, and has a MUCH larger marketing budget than SW: TOR.

C.See above. Console games have a longer shelf life than PC games and again Skyrim is not available for only the PC market. Console games also tend to attract a younger Demographic that includes Pre-teens and young Teens who often get those games as gifts. This leads to, as mentioned, a longer shelf life.

D. Predicting the death of a game that is less than 2 weeks old and has received rave reviews not only from the press but from players is a little short sighted. I make no prediction as it is too early to tell.

E. I think here we agree as word of mouth will influence people playing other MMO's. I do not play SW:TOR but many people in my guild have left the game I do play or are playing it part time. So far the only world of mouth I have heard sounds almost as if SW:TOR as turned it's players into raving Fanboys. This comes from players that usually trash other MMO's. I still won't play it as I am not a big fan of the Sci-Fi MMO's

Last I think it was INCREDIBLY poor judgement of the editors to Post the title of this thread as they have, as has been pointed, out not done their research. >.<

  someforumguy

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1/03/12 1:54:37 PM#54

Well I guess that all the ppl that were eagerly waiting for the release of SWTOR, now have their copy. Don't find it odd that sales drop after release.


  Astralglide

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1/03/12 1:55:58 PM#55

I have no idea why they even sell boxes anymore. If you play a MMO, you're obviously online and most likely have broadband. I haven't bought a box PC game since.....

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  maimeekrai

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1/03/12 1:59:24 PM#56
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  Astralglide

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1/03/12 2:00:41 PM#57
Originally posted by someforumguy

Well I guess that all the ppl that were eagerly waiting for the release of SWTOR, now have their copy. Don't find it odd that sales drop after release.

I think this game has somewhere in the neighborhood of 3 million pre-orders and MMOs still target a certain market. Why wouldn't new subs die off quickly after release? Everybody who was excited about it has bought it. Now they can expect some attrition as people get tired of it or don't like the game, etc. As long as they get more new subs than cancels, it's not "Dying" or even "winding down"

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  Eir_S

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1/03/12 2:02:59 PM#58
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by Marcelino

My friend buys everything boxed and I buy my games from steam. He says one day in the far future steam will go bust and i wont have access to my games lol Is it possible for a big company like steam to go bust which would make me to loose access to all my games? :/

A friend of mine got his Steam account hacked temporarily and for some reason all his games were inaccessable for a period of time, but he eventually got them back.  That's as far as worrying news about Steam went for me.

Anyway, I read on one forum that people in the UK don't have as easy access to credit cards that Americans do so many were forced to buy several months (via time cards) of a game they couldn't try first in order to play it, which makes EA's practices seem even more ridiculous, but I don't know how widespread that phenomenon is/was or if it affected sales to a large degree.

where did you hear that rubbish?

I don't remember where it was now, but I figured maybe someone from the UK would clear it up (I think I've read posts of yours declaring your UK citizenship?).  I found the thread and hastily scanned it while looking up info on another subject, but I DO remember that they also said that people in "their area" seemed to have less access to CC's, so I wasn't sure and it was probably localized at best.

(A total lie at worst)

  maimeekrai

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1/03/12 2:06:14 PM#59
Originally posted by Renko

I'm just surprised at the total lack of advertisement for SWTOR in the UK. It's no good copying the World of Warcraft strategy of waiting several years before having TV adverts, you need to hit the ground running now to make an impact and BioWare seem to be doing the opposite.

Some cable channel ( USA, FX, Spike? ) was showing some Star Wars movies a couple of weeks ago and I think I saw a SWTOR ad. It's hard to remember though, because the Chuck Norris WoW ads, that were also shown, were much more memorable.

 

 

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  Kaynos1972

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1/03/12 2:08:28 PM#60

Box sale means nothing in a MMO. It's all about retention.  Doesnt matter if you sell 10 millions boxes if in 6 months there is 25k players left.


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