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  Ecoces

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1/03/12 12:42:34 PM#41

the game is called star WARS for god sake not star peace. the need to make PVP viable on both PVE and PVP servers.  make a whole planet RVR like (yeah i know there is Illum but thats more like wintergrasp than RVR).

  xDayx

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1/03/12 12:42:54 PM#42
Originally posted by Mesfenlir

The people that claims there are no bugs in this game need to play the game seriously.

Sometimes my weapon disappears without a reason.... that is no bug right?

You press the "g" key (guild) and sometimes you cant see nobody connected (and they are) or you can see them all.

Weapons sometimes keep firing all the time even when you are not in combat.

You kill a npc but last a sec before he fall to the ground.

Beasts floating in the air.

A bug in warzones that logs you out.

You really are playing same game right?

I never said swtor was a pvp game but as a pve game it is incomplete.

And yes both star wars galaxies and fallen earht had and has deeper crafting and many games too only game that i found with worse craft was war. Cyberteches patchs are the ultimate joke, whats the point of having like 100 recipes to upgrade your gear if each time you find an orange item its much much better than you can craft atm? I was  a cybertech btw.

So having ONLY 3 wf is ok? Sure, even rift that is a pve game had 4 at launch. 

Ironically people are saying that the game is new and it has a bright future so they are well aware if its lows I am not talking about the future, I am talking at the actual state of the game.

.

 

 Im playing the game atm and not a fanboy of star wars or even themeparks altogether. You are correct there are glitches/bugs. The thing SWTOR has going for it is the story, and the gameplay.  It is fun doing space combat one minute, Warzones the next minute, and doing class missions the next. 

How long that will last Im not sure as I think I will always long for a modern sandbox game that works.

  Kaocan

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1/03/12 12:48:50 PM#43

Few words is all I have on the topic of this one.

Level 27, Valor 27 character. Have been ranking in the top 3 on medals won in every WZ for the past 17 levels. Already have a Battelmaster Gear bag in the vault, almost have my 1000/1000 level 50 speeder paid for, and plan on being 1000/1000 on my commendations long before I hit level 50 and can start to use them (and thats also with buying the lvl 20 orange PvP gear for myself and all my companions as uniforms too).

Yes, if you're up against a level 50 who has Battlemaster gear on, you will get eaten. But you also have to remember how much work they have already put in to PvP to get that gear, they are by no means just another PvE once in a while player in PvP. They were good at it long before they got that gear, and they will beat your ass just beacuse they are better than you, so dont blame the setup of the game for you losing to them. 

Yes, we could use a few more Warzones, no they do not need to be split among levels, all you get from doing that is twinks...who by the way will still eat you because they are better than you and have better gear.

As for the need to pick the warzone you can go to, well it would be nice if people who keep saying that would wake up and figure out why it is the way it is first. 99% of the time these people complain because all they ever see is Huttball, but they have no idea why that is. My suggestion, learn what makes Huttball special and why they see so much of it before they keep biatching about it.

As for the other complaints from the OP, PvE complaints...in a thread he made titled PvP...all this does is further emphasize that he just sucks at the game entirely and should probably go back to whatever game he came from....you know, the one that is easier.

 

(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)

  Honeymoon69

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1/03/12 12:48:51 PM#44

its been stated many times its a pve game and their main focus will always be pve and voice over thats where the money is going to.  Why would they learn anything from WAR consider these guys are all BW with no mmo exp with few failed War left over joined later on.

  nerovipus32

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1/03/12 12:53:21 PM#45

pvp in swtor is what you expect from a themepark mmo, tacked on at the last minute. This games main focus will be raiding and dungeons and every content update will have a new raid added just like with wow. got to keep them chasing that carrot on a stick.

  Valgar1

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1/03/12 12:56:36 PM#46
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by Nazgol
Originally posted by Paragus1

Whether PvP is not the main focus, it needs to be given more focus for long-term viability of the game.   The other theme parks tacked it on as an afterthought, and many of them are collecting dust in the bargin bin right now with a free to play model.  The game is modeled around galactic war between the Jedi and the Sith, to shrug off the PvP aspect of your game and boil it down to something like Hutball is a mistake in my opinion.  I wouldn't hold previous theme parks up as the model to follow given their track record of long term viability, and I think what the OP is saying carries some merit.

 So that must be why Darkfall is doing gang busters right now.

Strawnman argument. The failure of Darkfall is not because it contains PvP but for a list of other issues randing from poor engine to UI to unrestricted FFA full loot PvP.

That does not mean that PvP in itself is not a major feauture of MMORPGs. There was a poll on this site not long ago and there over 75% said that they want some form of PvP in MMORPGs so it is definetely a very popular feature.

 

The problem with that statment is that the 75% of people who voted for PvP on these boards is about 5% of the SWTOR population..

  Havekk

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1/03/12 12:58:14 PM#47
Originally posted by Mesfenlir

First of all let me begin saying I am not a native speaking person so apologies for my low level.

Been a player of warhammer 2 years, I play mmos mostly for the pvp, I played conan , aion ,even darkfall.

The reasons I say swtor pvp is pathetic are:

1) Only 3 warfronts - I know they will add more later but still, war had 16 at the beginning of the game (2 more later)

2) They mix level 10 players against 50s. I dont know who was the genius that took this decision. I dont care if you are buffed to 50 level. If you are against 5 level 50 players and you have 3 under 20s well.... And things will get worse in the future when a lot of players will be pvp full geared.

3) You cant choose the wf you wish to join.

4) Too much cc - they never learned the lesson from war. 

5) Fighting is chaotic due to camera position - Its too big the view (I dont know if you can change that)

6) IU doesnt help much either.

7) Unbalanced (operative/smuggler) 

8) No rewards for killing players on open pvp.

9) Pvp servers are a joke.

10) Instanced zones.

And so.... If you have a strong pve game (like swtor is) its no big deal but:

1) Crafting sucks.

2) A lot of bugs.

3) Too linear.

4) Voice quests are great but 90% of them are useless.

5) Guilds are...... wait, guilds? Or a bunch of friends together? Not many options.

6) My personal opinion, music is not as great as I expected, I can say that one of the main songs its directly inspired in a roman movie, ben-hur maybe? Not bad at all but compared to conan´s......

7) Few classes and you cant change your spec after you chose it.

8) Only humanoids, no jawas, yodas etc.... as a class.

I am not a hater, rest assure. All in all I think the game has a lot of possibilities if improved correctly but it will take months and by the time it happens, guildwars2 will be released (hoping)

I think star wars galaxies was a thousand times better than this. I feel sorry for the veterans hearing the main reason they play this game its because there is no other star wars mmo and they can talk again with fellow gamers. :(

For me its a big dissapoint but if people enjoy it, good for them.

 

 

Ahhhh   My dear Mesfinlir.... a simple review of your previous post shows your true colors rather quickly. You have been complaining about the game as far back as I can see, well before it's release... On Dec. 20... the day the game came out.. you signed a post titled "who thinks this game will fail". 

 

When you have a past such as this, I can't take your post seriously. You say it's not as great as you expcted.. well, it's clear from your previous post that you went into the game wanting to hate it. It never stood a chance. But, as you say, it is your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it. 

 

Good luck in your future game endevours. 

  Valgar1

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1/03/12 1:00:00 PM#48
Originally posted by Praetalus
Originally posted by Mesfenlir

First of all let me begin saying I am not a native speaking person so apologies for my low level.

Been a player of warhammer 2 years, I play mmos mostly for the pvp, I played conan , aion ,even darkfall.

The reasons I say swtor pvp is pathetic are:

1) Only 3 warfronts - I know they will add more later but still, war had 16 at the beginning of the game (2 more later)

2) They mix level 10 players against 50s. I dont know who was the genius that took this decision. I dont care if you are buffed to 50 level. If you are against 5 level 50 players and you have 3 under 20s well.... And things will get worse in the future when a lot of players will be pvp full geared.

3) You cant choose the wf you wish to join.

4) Too much cc - they never learned the lesson from war. 

5) Fighting is chaotic due to camera position - Its too big the view (I dont know if you can change that)

6) IU doesnt help much either.

7) Unbalanced (operative/smuggler) 

8) No rewards for killing players on open pvp.

9) Pvp servers are a joke.

10) Instanced zones.

And so.... If you have a strong pve game (like swtor is) its no big deal but:

1) Crafting sucks.

2) A lot of bugs.

3) Too linear.

4) Voice quests are great but 90% of them are useless.

5) Guilds are...... wait, guilds? Or a bunch of friends together? Not many options.

6) My personal opinion, music is not as great as I expected, I can say that one of the main songs its directly inspired in a roman movie, ben-hur maybe? Not bad at all but compared to conan´s......

7) Few classes and you cant change your spec after you chose it.

8) Only humanoids, no jawas, yodas etc.... as a class.

I am not a hater, rest assure. All in all I think the game has a lot of possibilities if improved correctly but it will take months and by the time it happens, guildwars2 will be released (hoping)

I think star wars galaxies was a thousand times better than this. I feel sorry for the veterans hearing the main reason they play this game its because there is no other star wars mmo and they can talk again with fellow gamers. :(

For me its a big dissapoint but if people enjoy it, good for them.

 

 

Ahhhh   My dear Mesfinlir.... a simple review of your previous post shows your true colors rather quickly. You have been complaining about the game as far back as I can see, well before it's release... On Dec. 20... the day the game came out.. you signed a post titled "who thinks this game will fail". 

 

When you have a past such as this, I can't take your post seriously. You say it's not as great as you expcted.. well, it's clear from your previous post that you went into the game wanting to hate it. It never stood a chance. But, as you say, it is your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it. 

 

Good luck in your future game endevours. 

Haters gonna hate.

True story

  Mesfenlir

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OP  1/03/12 1:14:38 PM#49

So now I am a hater I guess...

Funny I am a hater that pre-ordered the game in september. And later upgraded to a digital edition. Yes cos I want to spend bucks on a game and later hate it so much!!!!!

I dont hate swtor by no means, I just dont like it I am expressing my thoughts about what I think is wrong with it.

You have not idea what are you talking about boys.

 

 

 

  kalinis

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1/03/12 1:20:05 PM#50

i did 2 of the warzones last nite. im not a pvp fan at all. i usually avoid it in wow and i had a blast, i got to do alderaan and hutball. 

Sure i suck at pvp and got my butt handed to me more then a few times on huttball. That said i had a blast. 

I have a 30 sith inquisitor but havent done pvp on him yet. i havent even gone and tried open world pvp yet.

pvp wasnt just added on to this game. They had a whole team in gabe armentelengo working on pvp, most of them past mythic employees. 

they just put most of there effort into there open world pvp zones which exist on 11 planets. i had no issues in pvp by the way my abilities seemed to all work just fine as long as i didnt get hit with an interrupt.

  MaGicBush

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1/03/12 1:22:22 PM#51
Originally posted by Nazgol
Originally posted by Omni1rbb

PvP in Swtor is balanced and fun.

 

The 10-50 warzones are a great idea.

 

Pvp is just the new bandwagon the haters and trolls are jumping on because they failed at hating everything else (they were proven wrong).

 This. I am actually suprised how good the bolster system is. I wouldn't pay them any attention, it's the same 3-4 people that apparently dislike the game but sure do find reason to visit it's forum. Kinda sad really.

No, I completely agree with this as well. I like the game, and don't post much here. But it's obvious at the moment the PvP is lackluster, I really hope they fix some things by the end of the month(add in the level 50 pvp bracked for starters). The bolster system is horrible, not sure how you could really think other-wise? Higher level players still have a huge advantage with gear and ability rotation.

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  tixylix

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1/03/12 1:27:38 PM#52
Originally posted by MaGicBush
Originally posted by Nazgol
Originally posted by Omni1rbb

PvP in Swtor is balanced and fun.

 

The 10-50 warzones are a great idea.

 

Pvp is just the new bandwagon the haters and trolls are jumping on because they failed at hating everything else (they were proven wrong).

 This. I am actually suprised how good the bolster system is. I wouldn't pay them any attention, it's the same 3-4 people that apparently dislike the game but sure do find reason to visit it's forum. Kinda sad really.

No, I completely agree with this as well. I like the game, and don't post much here. But it's obvious at the moment the PvP is lackluster, I really hope they fix some things by the end of the month(add in the level 50 pvp bracked for starters). The bolster system is horrible, not sure how you could really think other-wise? Higher level players still have a huge advantage with gear and ability rotation.

Not what I'm seeing at all.

Most of the top healers and damage dealers have been people from around the 30s. I saw one guy who got over 300k damage with a level 15 and he knew how to play the game. The problem lays with expertise at level 50 because they have such an advantage and even if they suck they take ages to kill compared to people at level 49.

  Baffa

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1/03/12 1:31:56 PM#53

The game is pretty good except for that really bad PvP. The bolster system doesn't work - at all, no point doing any PvP until level 50 unless you actually enjoy being the underdog all the time.

I also have some pretty hefty ability delay in war zones for some odd reason making the PvP even more terrible.

And lastly, Huttball, wtf?!1, worst idea ever...

  tixylix

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Joined: 12/02/11
Posts: 1144

1/03/12 1:35:03 PM#54
Originally posted by Baffa

The game is pretty good except for that really bad PvP. The bolster system doesn't work - at all, no point doing any PvP until level 50 unless you actually enjoy being the underdog all the time.

I also have some pretty hefty ability delay in war zones for some odd reason making the PvP even more terrible.

And lastly, Huttball, wtf?!1, worst idea ever...

Again Expertise, not Bolster.

 

Huttball is great if you have a good team, the problem is most people do not bother with the ball and if you face a premade while you're in a PUG you'll get owned. All you need is a Trooper to pull people off catwalks, good pasing of the ball, Sage to heal and to run the ball to the line.

Problem is everyone fights in places they don't need to be, losing the game for the team.

  Mari2k

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Joined: 9/18/07
Posts: 385

1/03/12 1:35:16 PM#55
Originally posted by Kaledus

Pvp is not the main focus? Well what about Bioware saying that endgamers would have nice pvp content to look forward to? Does that not account for something? >.> (Besides, it is Star Wars and was always a battle between good and evil.. How can that not make sense? Lol)

No it does not, BioWare advertising tell you everything you want, they want you to buy the f.. game !!!

SWTOR is a PvE heavy game, with focus on questing and story. Not PvP , not Raiding ...

  Havekk

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Posts: 1394

1/03/12 1:40:45 PM#56
Originally posted by Mesfenlir

So now I am a hater I guess...

Funny I am a hater that pre-ordered the game in september. And later upgraded to a digital edition. Yes cos I want to spend bucks on a game and later hate it so much!!!!!

I dont hate swtor by no means, I just dont like it I am expressing my thoughts about what I think is wrong with it.

You have not idea what are you talking about boys.

 

 

 

Pre-order or not, I've been reading your past post and have not seen one pro post yet. For someone who doesn't hate the game, you have a funny way of showing it. Again, you said it would fail on the 20th of December.. the day it came out...LOL

 

Anyway, I find pvp to be quite fun. But I also dig the crafting, so obviously, we don't agree on much, and that's cool. I'm not saying its the greatest game I've ever played, I'm just enoying it right now. If the time comes where I get bored or dislike it, I'll leave. But I'm loving it so far. You don't like it, so why make a post shitting on it, why not just quitely leave?

  MaGicBush

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Joined: 1/20/07
Posts: 692

Can't cut this bush.

1/03/12 1:41:21 PM#57
Originally posted by tixylix
Originally posted by MaGicBush
Originally posted by Nazgol
Originally posted by Omni1rbb

PvP in Swtor is balanced and fun.

 

The 10-50 warzones are a great idea.

 

Pvp is just the new bandwagon the haters and trolls are jumping on because they failed at hating everything else (they were proven wrong).

 This. I am actually suprised how good the bolster system is. I wouldn't pay them any attention, it's the same 3-4 people that apparently dislike the game but sure do find reason to visit it's forum. Kinda sad really.

No, I completely agree with this as well. I like the game, and don't post much here. But it's obvious at the moment the PvP is lackluster, I really hope they fix some things by the end of the month(add in the level 50 pvp bracked for starters). The bolster system is horrible, not sure how you could really think other-wise? Higher level players still have a huge advantage with gear and ability rotation.

Not what I'm seeing at all.

Most of the top healers and damage dealers have been people from around the 30s. I saw one guy who got over 300k damage with a level 15 and he knew how to play the game. The problem lays with expertise at level 50 because they have such an advantage and even if they suck they take ages to kill compared to people at level 49.

I am confused, you seem to not support what I said but change your mind by your last sentence agreeing with exactly what I said(level 50's need their own bracket).

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-Played SWTOR, UO, EQ, AoC, WOW, War, LoTRO, FFXI, Rift, DFO.

  treysmooth

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1/03/12 1:48:05 PM#58
Originally posted by MaGicBush
Originally posted by tixylix
Originally posted by MaGicBush
Originally posted by Nazgol
Originally posted by Omni1rbb

PvP in Swtor is balanced and fun.

 

The 10-50 warzones are a great idea.

 

Pvp is just the new bandwagon the haters and trolls are jumping on because they failed at hating everything else (they were proven wrong).

 This. I am actually suprised how good the bolster system is. I wouldn't pay them any attention, it's the same 3-4 people that apparently dislike the game but sure do find reason to visit it's forum. Kinda sad really.

No, I completely agree with this as well. I like the game, and don't post much here. But it's obvious at the moment the PvP is lackluster, I really hope they fix some things by the end of the month(add in the level 50 pvp bracked for starters). The bolster system is horrible, not sure how you could really think other-wise? Higher level players still have a huge advantage with gear and ability rotation.

Not what I'm seeing at all.

Most of the top healers and damage dealers have been people from around the 30s. I saw one guy who got over 300k damage with a level 15 and he knew how to play the game. The problem lays with expertise at level 50 because they have such an advantage and even if they suck they take ages to kill compared to people at level 49.

I am confused, you seem to not support what I said but change your mind by your last sentence agreeing with exactly what I said(level 50's need their own bracket).

I actually enjoy the pvp but this is one of the things that just drives me crazy, the 50's should be nowhere near lower lvl pvp. 

  Tarwater

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Joined: 1/18/05
Posts: 63

1/03/12 1:49:59 PM#59

I imagine most PVPers realize that the game will never delliver on the PVP front.

 

The majority of players I know who enjoy PVP have already made up their minds to cancel and wait for GW2.  Whether or not that game actually delivers too is anyone's guess.

  Mesfenlir

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Joined: 5/12/10
Posts: 213

La ignorancia es atrevida - Ignorance is bold.

 
OP  1/03/12 2:01:21 PM#60

Sir I never said that the game would fail on 20th december, thats simply stupid.

I made a post yes, but cos I was worried about the future of the game.

I wanted to be this game my new mmo after so many fiascos. I really wanted. I even formed a mini-guild with my friends.

Sadly was not my cup of tea. 

But I dont hate the game if people like it or love it I am glad for them.

My friends are still playing it nowadays and they like it so much (2 of them told me that pvp was bad too)

My mistake was to beleive that bw could make a great pve-pvp game, specially when the pvp was designed for ex-war devs. I was wrong.

Personally I think it is also a poor pve game.

if you eliminate the voiced- quest, what you got? 

Dungeons or flashpoints if you prefer are meh for me. Some of them are good , others simplistic with average bosses. 

Wow, aion, lotro, fallen earth, rift, they have stronger pve foundations than this game.

Can improve with time? yes, maybe.

But I think people will get tired soon of this mmo soap opera.

I can be wrong ofc. Only time will tell.

I gave and still do my reasons and this makes me a no hater.

Its like you say that T.T (broncos qb) sucks, that doesnt mean that you hate broncos.

People need to understand that sometimes you must critizice things ion order to improve them.

 

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