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  BigMango

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1/02/12 4:16:57 PM#21
Originally posted by InFaVilla

You should maybe try waiting for Guild Wars 2 then. It is the game many who don't like the current cookie-cutter themeparks are waiting for and hoping will change the current market. 

 

LMAO, that's what people have been saying on these forums for the past 5 or 6 years.

 

- you should wait for Vanguard: result: doom and damnation on the forums.

- then, you should wait for AOC, new combat system, dx10, etc..etc... Result: doom and damnation all over the forums.

- then you should wait for the next messiah WAR, its Mythic, the developper of DAOC, the PVP gods! Result: doom and damnation.

- then, you should wait for Aion, by the company producing Guild wars and Lineage 2. Result: doom on the forums.

- then, you should wait for the next messiah Darkfall, its a sanbox, it's Ultima Online!, in developpment for 7-8 years! Result: doom and damnation.

- then, DF sucks, but Mortal Online is comming out! These guys know how to do it, look at the videos!!! Result: Facepalm.

- then, SWTOR will be the answer to our prayers!!!! Result: look at the forums - its the same as it has always been with every game.

- now: you should wait for Guild Wars 2!!!! This time it will be different! Yea, sure, as it always was, people will be complaining the same.

 

No, SWTOR is a very nice and polished game. I am playing it now (not next year), for what it is and not for what it is not. I am done with the waiting for the next messiah that will make everyone happy - it does not exist.

And if EA-Bioware can't do it with their 80-150m $ investment they pumped into this game, after what we have seen these past years, nobody can.

I hope GW2 will be great too and I will certainly be getting it. But I am not waiting for anything. I am playing today, now.

 

  David_Lopan

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Joined: 9/07/10
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1/02/12 4:22:31 PM#22
Originally posted by BigMango
Originally posted by InFaVilla

You should maybe try waiting for Guild Wars 2 then. It is the game many who don't like the current cookie-cutter themeparks are waiting for and hoping will change the current market. 

 

LMAO, that's what people have been saying on these forums for the past 5 or 6 years.

 

- you should wait for Vanguard: result: doom and damnation on the forums.

- then, you should wait for AOC, new combat system, dx10, etc..etc... Result: doom and damnation all over the forums.

- then you should wait for the next messiah WAR, its Mythic, the developper of DAOC, the PVP gods! Result: doom and damnation.

- then, you should wait for Aion, by the company producing Guild wars and Lineage 2. Result: doom on the forums.

- then, you should wait for the next messiah Darkfall, its a sanbox, it's Ultima Online!, in developpment for 7-8 years! Result: doom and damnation.

- then, DF sucks, but Mortal Online is comming out! These guys know how to do it, look at the videos!!! Result: Facepalm.

- then, SWTOR will be the answer to our prayers!!!! Result: look at the forums - its the same as it has always been with every game.

- now: you should wait for Guild Wars 2!!!! This time it will be different! Yea, sure, as it always was, people will be complaining the same.

 

No, SWTOR is a very nice and polished game. I am playing it now (not next year), for what it is and not for what it is not. I am done with the waiting for the next messiah that will make everyone happy - it does not exist.

And if EA-Bioware can't do it with their 80-150m $ investment they pumped into this game, after what we have seen these past years, nobody can.

I hope GW2 will be great too and I will certainly be getting it. But I am not waiting for anything. I am playing today, now.

 

   Well said, now back to SWTOR.....

  nikoliath

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1/02/12 4:23:59 PM#23
Originally posted by xm522
Originally posted by nikoliath

Im all for people forming their own opions on games, glad you tried it, rather than people who dismiss something based on what they have read here. What I always find annoying is when people claim to like a genre when in fact they don't.

 

It seems many people like the idea of mmorpgs but actually don't enjoy playing them. Saying an mmorpg was dissapointing because it played like another mmorpg is rather moronic. "I like pork pies, I bought a different brand of pork pie but was upset to find it was simply a pie, with pork meat in it".

 

All of these games are a variation on a theme, if you do not enjoy the underlying mechanics of the theme then you are bound to be apathetic toward every mmorpg to hit the market.

 

Why can't they make one with all the things you desire? It would be prohibitively expensive and time consuming to produce. SWTOR had a mind blowing budget, imagine how much more money and time required to add in all the other diversionary paths, effects, story branches not forgetting over coming the problem of different outcomes for different people in a over arching storyline for many people in a persistant world.

 

If you want that play Skyrim.  :)


your reasoning is flawed on so many levels it is ridiculous. sure they are both pork pies, but notr all pork pies are the same, some are great while others are shit. plz think a bit more before posting.

no your interpretation is flawed. I'm not saying all mmorpgs are good, I'm saying complaining about one game playing like another is silly.

  Loke666

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Joined: 10/29/07
Posts: 16024

1/02/12 4:24:00 PM#24
Originally posted by Joas

Acording to myself my expectations wasn't unreasonably high when it comes to swtor. I just thought that mmo's would evolve over time when it comes to diversion and freedom.

I was looking forward to see how the choices you made would affect the gameplay but became sad to discover that there was a very limited set of answers and outcome no matter what reply I chose. Actually in lot of cases only one outcome. Yes I know I have the choice to accept the quest or not or to kill or to let live but that is still very limited acording to what the developes talked about.

Race choice very limited: Why can't I play as a wooki?
Why does everyone of the same class get the exact same companion instead of being able to choose? This makes the game seems silly when everyone running around looking VERY similar and have the exact same companion. No diversion at all.

Gameplay is linear.

I have some good things to say about this game but my overall first impression which is the most important if you want to keep something going is not that intriguing.

I know there is other games out there that can give what I miss in swtor but they usually missing the polishness of a game like stwor.

Anyone who have an idea why big AAA games want to limit us like this?

I really agree about the companions, for a game that have "as much content as all previous Bioware games put together" are the number of companions rather sad and unimpressive. Like 3 companions for each class to choose from and a few faction based would help a lot.

Companions used to be Biowares strongest point since the first Baldurs gate (Mince is still a favorite).

As for choices I didn't expect more, it would be really complicated to make the choices matter as much as in a single player game.

But the companions would have been easy, and for that there really isn't any good reason.

  Loke666

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Joined: 10/29/07
Posts: 16024

1/02/12 4:28:25 PM#25
Originally posted by nikoliath

no your interpretation is flawed. I'm not saying all mmorpgs are good, I'm saying complaining about one game playing like another is silly.

That is true, but complaining that all (or almost all) playing like eachother isn'y silly at all.

Game genres need some diversity or they will lose many potential players.

In single player ROGs some people like Mass effect 2 while others like Skyrim and there are enough choice so that the genre can attract very different people (even if it is less diverse now than it was 10 years ago).

In MMO almost all games play the same and that isn't good. Some games will however always be very similar and there is no problem with that as long as other differs.

  sanosukex

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Joined: 4/08/05
Posts: 1857

1/02/12 4:33:58 PM#26
Originally posted by maskedweasel
Originally posted by sanosukex
Originally posted by trash656
Originally posted by sanosukex
Originally posted by trash656
Originally posted by sanosukex
Originally posted by trash656

tor is a themepark thats why you were dissapointed.

when i look up themepark nowhere do i read shallow, copycat, with decent story and good voice overs.. but it thats what themepark means.. then ok

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox_game

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_gameplay

 

Read, learn, educate...

has nothing to do with my comment.. try again

[mod edit]

guess I frogpt why I have stopped getting caght up in these discussions.. its honestly not even worth it anymore

If you don't like the game, why is it ever worth it?  Why do people spend hours on end raging over a game they say they don't like and (say) they won't play.   

 

 

why do I have to explain why I play this game over and over and over.. I'm an MMO addict who loves stars wars I'm tired with rift and have no niterest in playing WoW and right now there is nothing better to play.. But I just keep hearing the same garbage spewed on these forums day after day saying this is going to be the next big thing.. and sorry it is not. Its a decent game that will cater to casual players who will stop playing once they play through a couple story lines.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html

  Ambros123

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Joined: 12/04/11
Posts: 891

1/02/12 4:38:45 PM#27
Originally posted by BigMango
Originally posted by InFaVilla

You should maybe try waiting for Guild Wars 2 then. It is the game many who don't like the current cookie-cutter themeparks are waiting for and hoping will change the current market. 

 

LMAO, that's what people have been saying on these forums for the past 5 or 6 years.

 

- you should wait for Vanguard: result: doom and damnation on the forums.

- then, you should wait for AOC, new combat system, dx10, etc..etc... Result: doom and damnation all over the forums.

- then you should wait for the next messiah WAR, its Mythic, the developper of DAOC, the PVP gods! Result: doom and damnation.

- then, you should wait for Aion, by the company producing Guild wars and Lineage 2. Result: doom on the forums.

- then, you should wait for the next messiah Darkfall, its a sanbox, it's Ultima Online!, in developpment for 7-8 years! Result: doom and damnation.

- then, DF sucks, but Mortal Online is comming out! These guys know how to do it, look at the videos!!! Result: Facepalm.

- then, SWTOR will be the answer to our prayers!!!! Result: look at the forums - its the same as it has always been with every game.

- now: you should wait for Guild Wars 2!!!! This time it will be different! Yea, sure, as it always was, people will be complaining the same.

 

No, SWTOR is a very nice and polished game. I am playing it now (not next year), for what it is and not for what it is not. I am done with the waiting for the next messiah that will make everyone happy - it does not exist.

And if EA-Bioware can't do it with their 80-150m $ investment they pumped into this game, after what we have seen these past years, nobody can.

I hope GW2 will be great too and I will certainly be getting it. But I am not waiting for anything. I am playing today, now.

 

Actually the company the produced Guild Wars did not produce Aion.  Also BW/EA squandered all that money with VO.  One does not need a VO for every god damn convo, I see it a complete waste of resources which is evident in various aspects of the game.  Crafting, end-game gear (PvP being the best source even for PvE), horrendous UI, lackluster guild options, many more but thats to name a few aspects of the game that need serious revamps.

VO are nice for the story line and VO focused FP, but they went way overboard with every lil convo having one.

I', betting many companies are just flaberghasted in how much BW/EA squandered away.

  xm522

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Joined: 3/23/09
Posts: 114

1/02/12 4:43:51 PM#28
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by nikoliath

no your interpretation is flawed. I'm not saying all mmorpgs are good, I'm saying complaining about one game playing like another is silly.

That is true, but complaining that all (or almost all) playing like eachother isn'y silly at all.

Game genres need some diversity or they will lose many potential players.

In single player ROGs some people like Mass effect 2 while others like Skyrim and there are enough choice so that the genre can attract very different people (even if it is less diverse now than it was 10 years ago).

In MMO almost all games play the same and that isn't good. Some games will however always be very similar and there is no problem with that as long as other differs.

OP isnt comparing TOR btw, but let me continue this talk.

i see no problem in a game playing like another, i personally think WoW is a good game, it is what it is and it is good at it. TOR according a lot of players is also very good at what it is. but the game did advertise its pleathorta of 'choices' (maybe they didnt say that those choices would not have consequences). it seems that the game has delivered less than it hyped, which will result in dissapointed.

talking about themepark vs. sandbox (what many consider the major rift in style). just because a game is a themepark does not mean it needs to be linear. WoW (vanilla) was a good example of this, you could level 2 same faction toons w/o doing the same quests AT ALL. when a game such as TOR which was made using 80+mill yet we all follow the same stages as if we were in a Mario brothers game is a design flaw! A lot of MMO players are looking for a 2nd world, a world vastly different than their own, a world where they can go where ever they want, not be set in stages.

^ just my opinion though.

btw most sandbox gamers think it's all about FFA PvP... that's not remotely close to what a sandbox should be. a sandbox does not need full loot PvP or ALL TIME FFA pvp. sandbox games should be as non linear as the real world. but hey lol, we live in the ultimate sci-fi sandbox

  maskedweasel

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1/03/12 6:31:23 AM#29
Originally posted by sanosukex
Originally posted by maskedweasel
Originally posted by sanosukex
Originally posted by trash656
Originally posted by sanosukex
Originally posted by trash656
Originally posted by sanosukex
Originally posted by trash656

tor is a themepark thats why you were dissapointed.

when i look up themepark nowhere do i read shallow, copycat, with decent story and good voice overs.. but it thats what themepark means.. then ok

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox_game

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_gameplay

 

Read, learn, educate...

has nothing to do with my comment.. try again

[mod edit]

guess I frogpt why I have stopped getting caght up in these discussions.. its honestly not even worth it anymore

If you don't like the game, why is it ever worth it?  Why do people spend hours on end raging over a game they say they don't like and (say) they won't play.   

 

 

why do I have to explain why I play this game over and over and over.. I'm an MMO addict who loves stars wars I'm tired with rift and have no niterest in playing WoW and right now there is nothing better to play.. But I just keep hearing the same garbage spewed on these forums day after day saying this is going to be the next big thing.. and sorry it is not. Its a decent game that will cater to casual players who will stop playing once they play through a couple story lines.

Well apparently people disagree with you or you wouldn't have to explain "over and over".. nobody cares if you're an MMO "addict" if you have a problem and don't enjoy the game, move on..  find yourself something else,  you aren't changing anyones mind about this game.

 

 

 

 

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  moosecatlol

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1/03/12 6:40:56 AM#30

Dissawhated? You bought an EA game and you're disappointed... really?

 

That's like complaining about pvp on a pvp server.

  Yamota

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1/03/12 6:52:03 AM#31
Originally posted by maskedweasel
Originally posted by sanosukex
Originally posted by trash656
Originally posted by sanosukex
Originally posted by trash656
Originally posted by sanosukex
Originally posted by trash656

tor is a themepark thats why you were dissapointed.

when i look up themepark nowhere do i read shallow, copycat, with decent story and good voice overs.. but it thats what themepark means.. then ok

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox_game

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_gameplay

 

Read, learn, educate...

has nothing to do with my comment.. try again

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guess I frogpt why I have stopped getting caght up in these discussions.. its honestly not even worth it anymore

If you don't like the game, why is it ever worth it?  Why do people spend hours on end raging over a game they say they don't like and (say) they won't play.    

Because this is a gaming discussion forum and we are supposed to discuss games? And raging is your construct, I dont see any raging here. Sounds more like a hyberbole from you fanboys who cant tolerate any criticism towards "their" game.

  Shivam

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1/03/12 6:56:08 AM#32
Originally posted by vesavius
Originally posted by trash656

tor is a themepark thats why you were dissapointed. You should look into Sandbox MMO's instead.

 

You seem to have been fooled into thinking that themepark's are by definition linear, limited, and dictatorial .?...

They arn't. Only bad ones are.

 

 

SWTOR isn't linear or limited. Want to argue about that?.

You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty -- Mahatma Gandhi

  maskedweasel

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1/03/12 6:58:57 AM#33
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by maskedweasel
Originally posted by sanosukex
Originally posted by trash656
Originally posted by sanosukex
Originally posted by trash656
Originally posted by sanosukex
Originally posted by trash656

tor is a themepark thats why you were dissapointed.

when i look up themepark nowhere do i read shallow, copycat, with decent story and good voice overs.. but it thats what themepark means.. then ok

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox_game

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_gameplay

 

Read, learn, educate...

has nothing to do with my comment.. try again

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guess I frogpt why I have stopped getting caght up in these discussions.. its honestly not even worth it anymore

If you don't like the game, why is it ever worth it?  Why do people spend hours on end raging over a game they say they don't like and (say) they won't play.    

Because this is a gaming discussion forum and we are supposed to discuss games? And raging is your construct, I dont see any raging here. Sounds more like a hyberbole from you fanboys who cant tolerate any criticism towards "their" game.

 

So because this is a gaming discussion forum its completely worth it to spend hours criticising games you don't really like and won't ever play.    I see so many of  "you haters" scouring forums and "reviews" all over the internet to find any small piece of evidence, no matter how small and pointless, to justify -- what -- the "discussion" that your opinion is right.   

 

Sorry but I don't care what anyone says, other than BioWare and myself when it comes to games.  Not much of a discussion when the answer is simply, "I don't even know why I bother."  Nobody does... its pointless.. and gets you nowhere... you as well Yamota, won't be changing anyones mind.  

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  Sovrath

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1/03/12 6:59:24 AM#34
Originally posted by BigMango

I hope GW2 will be great too and I will certainly be getting it. But I am not waiting for anything. I am playing today, now.

 

That's pretty much it. The whole post really.

I I highly suspect that when GW2 comes out, and it will be polished and fun, etc, it will suddenly have all these detractors because it wasn't what they wanted. Or, more to the point, it was what they wanted but not quite as they imagined it would be.

And when they start releasing more content players will start yelling that it was a rip off because that content was "supposed to be in the game" and that they were being nickel and dimed on content.

There's just too much pressure on GW2 now. At least from a certain sector of player.

  Shivam

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1/03/12 7:01:35 AM#35
Originally posted by maskedweasel
 

Sorry but I don't care what anyone says, other than BioWare and myself when it comes to games.  Not much of a discussion when the answer is simply, "I don't even know why I bother."  Nobody does... its pointless.. and gets you nowhere... you as well Yamota, won't be changing anyones mind.  

Yamota won't be changing anyones mind but also isn't even a credible source for negativity when after weeks of trashing SWTOR and claiming how he will never touch it, he bought it and started playing just to trash it again. It is like a vicious cycle that never ends.

You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty -- Mahatma Gandhi

  Gdemami

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1/03/12 7:07:27 AM#36


Originally posted by Joas
Acording to myself my expectations wasn't unreasonably high when it comes to swtor. I just thought that mmo's would evolve over time when it comes to diversion and freedom.

I am really wondering what your expectations were.

The dialogue choices have more impact than in most single player RPGs.

  Gdemami

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1/03/12 7:08:53 AM#37


Originally posted by Shivam

Yamota won't be changing anyones mind but also isn't even a credible source for negativity when after weeks of trashing SWTOR and claiming how he will never touch it, he bought it and started playing just to trash it again. It is like a vicious cycle that never ends.

Yeah, he did the same on EVE forums while back... Lacking basic game knowledge and just bashing the game ignorantly.

  pharazonic

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1/03/12 9:37:28 AM#38

Sorry to hear that OP. 

As for your closing quetsion... it seems to be that companies are often after the buck in the shortest way possible. It shows with BW - cheap, banal MMO that is a derivative of a derivative. Kicker is that it is missing some quality of life features as well as some icing on the cake (the latter is a personal thing; different for everyone). 

 

It's unfortunate!

"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."

I need to take this advice more.

  Portiz

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1/03/12 9:43:19 AM#39

I stopped reading at:  Why can't I play as a wooki?


 

  Kaocan

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1/03/12 12:15:53 PM#40

Yeah I know, your choices have absolutely no effect on your game play. 

Like last night, I was doing a VO for just another quest, first time through I clicked the top response to every answer, came out with the quest and nothing more. Second time through I roleplayed my characters attitude when I chose my responses, came out with 100 Light points, 79 companion favor points for one companion and 60 for another. 

Sure I got the exact same quest either way...but my choices DID have an impact on my gameplay. Unless of course you're one who believes your companions favor does nothing to thier success on Crew Skills, or that Light and Dark faction don't open up gear choices to you later on. If you dont believe in that stuff, then sure, just space bar and #1 it on every VO, because there is no effect from your choices in this game. 

(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)

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