Not a month has past yet, but I would definitely consider myself a subscriber. I purchased a 60 day game card to activate my game with. To a publisher that should be considered gold. An even better stat to track than "traditional subscriptions" where the payment has been pre-authorized but can be cancelled any month by the "subscriber". They've already secured the payment from me. 

Just pointing out that there are subscription-like numbers that are definitely tracked and could be published. 

Basicaly they have about 1 million subscribers and more than 50% want to subscribe after the first month.

This leaves them about 600K subscribers right from the 2nd month? They might add 200K new subs through 2nd month brigning this to a total of 800K subscribers, far from WOW's 8 million SUBS.

They will bring around 12M dollars per month income with these subs however, which should quickly pay back their debt.

I guess it all depends how quickly the game evolves to something better.

I think most people were disapointed by the artistic choices the devs went for, sticking too much to the original drawings and concepts, which by the way is out dated and ugly, to please the die hard fans, but they forgot the 8 other million people who might have bought the game had it actually looked good or fun to play...

I won't buy SWTOR.

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Just reading through this thread is elucidating.  One person with a 48 and 44.  One of my sons friends has two 50's already and working on a third.

What are these people going to be doing in a few months.  Yep, looking for a new game.  While the game will garner it's fans, most will be bored within a couple months.

This game is designed just like Biowares single player games.

Who cares if the poopsockers get bored?  Let them.  They can deal with the stench of cat ass and murdered time in their homes while everyone else enjoys the content like normal human beings.

I remember RIFT doing one after launch too. Maybe all games do somewhere. Both SWTOR and RIFT numbers are just that, purely numbers... with millions of players in game arent they kind of expected..?

http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/115/1158889p1.html

Originally posted by Lobotomist

10 million  hours of voicover - skipped

:P

 

^This^

The voice over and "extensive" questing was fun.....the first time.

Now, for the first time, I DREAD rolling an alt. I hate that I 'have' to quest in order to get things: Ship, Companions, Advanced Class. Oh and crafting, since you can't craft unless you have at least one Companion, which you can't get unless you complete your Class Quest on the "Starter World" (Tython for Jedi).

Unless they allow ALTs to skip all that crap and quest because they 'feel' like it this game will die.

And yes, I would have complained about RIFT doing the same if I had to roll two of the SAME class just to play the 'other' half of that class's..erm..calling.

If that doesn't make sense here, I'll spell it out. As a Jedi Knight I must roll at least two Knights: One for Guardian Class, one for Sentinel Class. This means I have to go through the SAME GOD DAMN STORY TWICE. I'm pretty sure the class quest is the same per Class (Jedi Knight, Jedi Consular, Tropper, and Smuggler).

I should mention that "Class Quests" are fine if they are short; SWTOR's are not.

Sum Up: I should work for my rewards; my alts shouldn't.

Weird. I read the game sold over 1 million copies. And a lot of people have alts.

How is it possible there are only 1.65 million characters created.

By the way; ANOTHER news post about Star Wars, really?

And this one just reads like an advertisement, you're not even trying to hide it anymore are you.

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Originally posted by thekid1
How is it possible there are only 1.65 million characters created.

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That goes towards Jedi Kinght and Sith Warriors only, not characters total.

Originally posted by thekid1

Weird. I read the game sold over 1 million copies. And a lot of people have alts.

How is it possible there are only 1.65 million characters created.

 

By the way; ANOTHER news post about Star Wars, really?

And this one just reads like an advertisement, you're not even trying to hide it anymore are you.

Reading is fundamental. 

"Over 850,000 Sith Warriors and over 810,000 Jedi Knights created"

That's only 2 of the 8 starter classes in the game.

Originally posted by Dyner

If that doesn't make sense here, I'll spell it out. As a Jedi Knight I must roll at least two Knights: One for Guardian Class, one for Sentinel Class. This means I have to go through the SAME GOD DAMN STORY TWICE. I'm pretty sure the class quest is the same per Class (Jedi Knight, Jedi Consular, Tropper, and Smuggler).

You could roll the first all light-side and the second all dark-side? Supposedly that gives you two different stories?

Minutes waited in queues: 87.566.999.454

Average frame rate in warzones: 15 fps

Days gone by with broken raid frames: 6months and counting

Originally posted by Malir

Originally posted by thekid1

Weird. I read the game sold over 1 million copies. And a lot of people have alts.

How is it possible there are only 1.65 million characters created.

 

By the way; ANOTHER news post about Star Wars, really?

And this one just reads like an advertisement, you're not even trying to hide it anymore are you.

Reading is fundamental. 

"Over 850,000 Sith Warriors and over 810,000 Jedi Knights created"

That's only 2 of the 8 starter classes in the game.

 

Right got it. Confused Jedi and Sith with Republic and Empire.

Originally posted by Dyner

Sum Up: I should work for my rewards; my alts shouldn't.

I respectfully disagree with the latter part.  In my opinion, one should work  for any reward, regardless of main or alt.

I suspect everyone in here shitting on the game is probably just a WoW gold farmer worried about losing work.

But seriously, the games only been live for what - 2 weeks? I remember tons of small stupid problems in pretty much every MMO that has ever been released. So far I'm really enjoying the game, they've done a great job actually adding the RPG elements back in. The speed grinders can bitch and complain all they want about making alts, but so far I've been really interested in just playing my main because I've been enjoying the story. Who the hell says I need to make both Sentinal and Gaurdian?

I've experienced a few bugs in game so far, but I've been having way to much fun to really give a shit about a raid bug or quest bug.

In the vanilla days of WoW I was a big time mmo gamer, but I dropped out after burning crusade, and most games failed to hold my attention from then on. This has been the first game in a long time that has made me eager to log back in and continue, so I'm just going to enjoy it.

And if you're not enjoying it, by all means go back to WoW for endless dungueon team rolls and enjoy your speed grinding.

Originally posted by Sketch

I suspect everyone in here shitting on the game is probably just a WoW gold farmer worried about losing work.

But seriously, the games only been live for what - 2 weeks? I remember tons of small stupid problems in pretty much every MMO that has ever been released. So far I'm really enjoying the game, they've done a great job actually adding the RPG elements back in. The speed grinders can bitch and complain all they want about making alts, but so far I've been really interested in just playing my main because I've been enjoying the story. Who the hell says I need to make both Sentinal and Gaurdian?

I've experienced a few bugs in game so far, but I've been having way to much fun to really give a shit about a raid bug or quest bug.

In the vanilla days of WoW I was a big time mmo gamer, but I dropped out after burning crusade, and most games failed to hold my attention from then on. This has been the first game in a long time that has made me eager to log back in and continue, so I'm just going to enjoy it.

And if you're not enjoying it, by all means go back to WoW for endless dungueon team rolls and enjoy your speed grinding.

 

 

And what are you going to do when you finished the story?

Originally posted by thekid1

And what are you going to do when you finished the story?

That is actually a good question and the weakest point of the MMO genre ('cept Eve).

You usually raid for gear until the next expansion comes out and I think TOR will be the same. Sure, they havn't added many raids yet but few newly released games do that, there will probably be some patched in within the next few months.

Will it be epic fun? Hardly but that never stopped any other MMOs and players seems to accept it in the genre as whole.

In fact much of the whine on GW2 is the lack of a raiding endgame.

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by thekid1



And what are you going to do when you finished the story?

That is actually a good question and the weakest point of the MMO genre ('cept Eve).

You usually raid for gear until the next expansion comes out and I think TOR will be the same. Sure, they havn't added many raids yet but few newly released games do that, there will probably be some patched in within the next few months.

Will it be epic fun? Hardly but that never stopped any other MMOs and players seems to accept it in the genre as whole.

In fact much of the whine on GW2 is the lack of a raiding endgame.

 

For me playing an mmorpg (which I haven't done in years) is about the journey to max level. The game stop at max level for me. I have no interest in raids or PVP. I will play a FPS for PVP. Unfortunatly the journey is never as good as a singleplayer RPG.

I think Bioware tries to remedy that somewhat with this game. But I read numerous threads about people already being max level and bored out of their mind. I think this game focusses to much on the story and there isn't much else to do. At max level and any other level.

Hmm okay, I made two sith warriors and - on the jedi knight side. My brother also made a sith warrior to test the game...

Other than that, I love it how there are certain "negative" members who come to any major SWTOR post just to show their face and bash something :D

Swtor is one hell of the game. Before starting playing it I could never immagine anything else could come even close to my love for wow. Until now. Still I see wow on throne, love it .... but close on right side sits already swtor. And also close on left another masterpice of gaming industry, Rift :-)). Now that I have 3 great games to alternate for the first time probably in decades, I'm not looking forward for any new release of other games.

Everything is great, voiced and fun quests where for the first time I actually follow closely what they say and what I will respond. Have not seen a lot of bugs, actually would say one of the most bug free releases so far. 

Despite all numbers mentioned above, responses from support (not that I needed a lot) are very fast.

Impressive number of fun quests. Have seen first movie of Star wars at release, still remember how deeply impressed I was as a kid at that time .... and every minute I play SWTOR have that feeling being actually part of Star wars. But I'm sure even without lore would love it for gameplay and rest. Every movement, every press on keyboard or mouse does exactly what it should.

Well ... I'm on vacation now so ... back to play. :-)

Originally posted by thekid1

And what are you going to do when you finished the story?

good question... but then... i didn't know what to do in wow from the start... and here i can play all classes at least once to hear the story. (but i won't skip all the voice dialogs)

no need to hurry for me, but to enjoy the quality....

(i'm playing a jedi and i suck at it... but still having fun...)

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