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  MMOExposed

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1/02/12 8:34:19 AM#41
Originally posted by Jetrpg
Originally posted by cyress8

Cali59 pretty much answered your question OP. How you make it sound, you also do not think basketball, football, soccer, etc., are also not competitive. Normal, everyday people play those games in their own little areas. Also, they will have major tournies with players fighting for prizes and such. That pretty much defines something being competitive in my book.

So if i am outside playing some B with my bros downing a few brews its competitive?

That answer to this is obviously no.

See it could be competitive, but for vast majority of the "competitive pvp" matches will be pugs just doing w/e.

Thus competitive pvp is not really anything different than a BG system wow currently has.

Lots of things are competitive or can be. Heck you can be a competitive eater. Does that mean every night when you sit down you ask your family are you ready for the competition ? No, once again rhetorical, lets be honest this a re-branding of an long existing game structure.

To use another posters example

"

Well I must first ask have you played Gears of War 2-3? And if so do you think it's competitive?

If not, say so then I'll post you a link of some pvp in Gears of War 2 and then ask you do you think it's competitive."


 

What happens if the dev of Gears said their next gears game is now an Competitive person shooter  (CPS).

They changed nothing really from previous fps structures that allowed them to be competitive, just re-branded existing game-play/system with maybe more ladder display options.

Would you be like yeah we should call it CPS or .. yeah its just an FPS that is attempting to create hype / interest via marketing (it still can be competitve however)?

 

That's called marketing

  rpgalon

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1/02/12 9:35:32 AM#42

you need balance to be a sport / eSport, it took 10 years to evolve the metagame and balance starcraft 1 with only 3 races..., warcraft 3 with 4 races never got to the point of balance... sry but I don't see any MMO with 5+ races being an eSport...

 

it can be competitive, but I don't see it being an eSport

  RizelStar

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1/02/12 10:40:33 AM#43
Originally posted by rpgalon

you need balance to be a sport / eSport, it took 10 years to evolve the metagame and balance starcraft 1 with only 3 races..., warcraft 3 with 4 races never got to the point of balance... sry but I don't see any MMO with 5+ races being an eSport...

 

it can be competitive, but I don't see it being an eSport

Interesting bro eleborate more, I'm all for opinions and would like to know more about balancing?

I'm little off though because racial abilities aren't in the competive PVP? Just a little bit off on what races have to do with the mode we are talking about since everyon gets same stats for the mode we should be talking about.

I'd like to know more of what you are talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns-IIn-DG-c

Try to argue this please.

Oh also if you quote me and it's to argue my point, if I don't respond it means I haven't been corrected by you and/or I haven't seen it. Remember I don't mind admitting I am in the wrong. Take care :D

  MMOExposed

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1/02/12 12:49:49 PM#44
Originally posted by RizelStar
Originally posted by rpgalon

you need balance to be a sport / eSport, it took 10 years to evolve the metagame and balance starcraft 1 with only 3 races..., warcraft 3 with 4 races never got to the point of balance... sry but I don't see any MMO with 5+ races being an eSport...

 

it can be competitive, but I don't see it being an eSport

Interesting bro eleborate more, I'm all for opinions and would like to know more about balancing?

I'm little off though because racial abilities aren't in the competive PVP? Just a little bit off on what races have to do with the mode we are talking about since everyon gets same stats for the mode we should be talking about.

I'd like to know more of what you are talking about.

 

I believe that poster is confusing the term Race and Class.

  Granrey

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1/02/12 1:17:30 PM#45
In many real life sports, organizers do the same thing that Anet is planning to do with GW2
 
It is more common in sports like: Golf, Poker, Dominoes, Karate, Judo, etc.  in which there are open qualifiers for everybody that wants to participate to show up and you don’t know who are you competing against. Notice, these qualifiers are full of bad players that need to be screen out prior they can qualify to the Pro tournaments.
 
If you do good or gain enough points in those qualifiers then you move up and play people at your rank. Otherwise, you stay behind.
 
That’s exacly what Anet is doing
 
Is it perfect? No, but it is competitive.

 

  someforumguy

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1/02/12 1:26:29 PM#46
Originally posted by Jetrpg

Can we stop using the  term "competitive pvp" for "instanced pvp" or "group vs group pvp".

Most instanced pvp matchs are adhoc or pugs... i fail to see how that is competitve .

In Guild Wars 1  you have Guild vs Guild with a monthly tournament. You always compete with other guilds for a ranking (if you decide to take part that is, there is also nonranked GvG). And each month certain guilds qualify to take part in a monthly tournament. How is that not competitive pvp?

They already have announced that there will be structured pvp in GW2 too with monthly tournaments (and maybe other periods havent checked lately).

As for the word 'competitive', its already competitive if two teams (or players) compete for a win. I agree though that strictly speaking, calling pvp competitive is like calling water wet.

  cakelizard

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1/02/12 2:50:54 PM#47

im guessing youre just not on that level.

  User Deleted
1/02/12 2:57:36 PM#48

As interesting as this all is, I just want to point out again that its official name is Structured PVP, not Competitive PVP.

  SteeJanz

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1/02/12 3:36:17 PM#49

I fail to see the point of this thread.  It's hard to debate other peoples definition of what they want to see or call something.

The OP thinks that  "PUG"= not competitive.  Some will agree and some will disagree.  I am good with how the developer describes it. 

http://youtu.be/7r_oAx7zg98?t=10m51s

  Jetrpg

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1/02/12 6:48:55 PM#50
Originally posted by SteeJanz

I fail to see the point of this thread.  It's hard to debate other peoples definition of what they want to see or call something.

The OP thinks that  "PUG"= not competitive.  Some will agree and some will disagree.  I am good with how the developer describes it. 

http://youtu.be/7r_oAx7zg98?t=10m51s

Me too thast why the devs call that hot join not competitive....

The replies in the thread kinda prove my point.

 

I mean call it w/e but at this rate why change its name in the first place (other than marketing)

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  SteeJanz

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1/02/12 8:35:19 PM#51
Originally posted by Jetrpg
Originally posted by SteeJanz

I fail to see the point of this thread.  It's hard to debate other peoples definition of what they want to see or call something.

The OP thinks that  "PUG"= not competitive.  Some will agree and some will disagree.  I am good with how the developer describes it. 

http://youtu.be/7r_oAx7zg98?t=10m51s

Me too thast why the devs call that hot join not competitive....

The replies in the thread kinda prove my point.

 

I mean call it w/e but at this rate why change its name in the first place (other than marketing)

Did you click on the link.  Eric Flannum describes two kinds of PVP.  WvWvW and Competitive PVP.  Sorry but your not making any sense.  They are marketing their Structured PVP as an e-sport because it is competitive. 

  fony

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1/02/12 8:37:20 PM#52

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  Jetrpg

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1/03/12 7:26:39 PM#53
Originally posted by SteeJanz
Originally posted by Jetrpg
Originally posted by SteeJanz

I fail to see the point of this thread.  It's hard to debate other peoples definition of what they want to see or call something.

The OP thinks that  "PUG"= not competitive.  Some will agree and some will disagree.  I am good with how the developer describes it. 

http://youtu.be/7r_oAx7zg98?t=10m51s

Me too thast why the devs call that hot join not competitive....

The replies in the thread kinda prove my point.

 

I mean call it w/e but at this rate why change its name in the first place (other than marketing)

Did you click on the link.  Eric Flannum describes two kinds of PVP.  WvWvW and Competitive PVP.  Sorry but your not making any sense.  They are marketing their Structured PVP as an e-sport because it is competitive. 

I did but according to ANET pug = not competitve  and Pug = hot join.

What is there to confuse?

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