Originally posted by Shivam

Originally posted by sanman7890

Originally posted by Shivam

Originally posted by Toto020

It's called journalistic intergity.  And many of the reviewers and review sites seem to lack it lately.

Like i said in earlier post i only question journalistic integrity when they highly rate a game i dislike otherwise i have no problems as long as they give high scores to games i love.

Is this comment satirical?  

I'm genuinely curious.

If so then it is pretty funny.

If not...interesting.

*winks* ;)

 

Thank god! :)

World of Warcraft: Slain by the Sith?

Not really.

WoW is killing itself for quite a while actually, there is a game age issue as well.

Besides doubt that SWTOR will have long-term playerbase that even is half of WoW playerbase.

WoW players will leave for various games and not only to mmoprg's , not just SWTOR even if Swtor will get quite nice % of them.

Originally posted by Dracondis

SWTOR has as much chance of killing WoW as Lady Gaga has of winning Best Dressed.  Sure, they're both pretty enough in their own way, but it isn't like either one of them will ever care enough about winning to really put forth the effort it takes.

SWTOR has to worry about it's IP.  THey can't make it mainstream enough to kill WoW without sacrificing the established storyline.  And they can't invent new lore willy-nilly like Blizzard does because the stroy is well established, and we've already seen how badly it gets rejected by fans when someone, even the original author, creates new lore that doesn't jive with established lore.  Sure there are enough small points that can be expounded on for SWTOR to add things, but they already lost me with the Sith being playable ("Always two there are: one master and one apprentice"...  So what do we do with the other 3 million Sith Warriors over here that will kill the story between Chapters 3 and 4?)  Fortunately for BioWare, there are enough fanboys out there with self-insertion fantasies about Star Wars that they can get away with this hugely lore breaking oops, but it's still just the first step down a slippery slope in my book.

Blizzard isn't going to die to any newcomer to the arena, either.  GW2 has more chance of killing WoW than SWTOR does.  MoP looks like an awesome concept for an expansion, and the extra content aimed at the more casual player will certainly attract people interested in such things.  Their only stumblinb block there is the subscription fee itself.  Casual content is supposed to be free, and the players who would be interested in the content as new players to WoW aren't going to view the monthly fee with eager anticipation.  Still, I don't think its something Blizzard can't overcome.

I hope you read this, but it's not a lore oops...

That's actually established cannon...  In this time period there were a lot more jedi and sith... the sith had an entire empire and many more sith than jedi.. after they lost they told themselves it was because the darkside must be finite and that's why their numbers advantage of the jedi worked against them... thus the rule of 2 came about...

Also even in the movies there were never really just 2... just 2 with official titles ;)

You know blizzard is screwed when some of it's players ideas are better then the current lead devs ideas. you hear many people say stuff about greg street, but when you read his dev blog's you can't help think..oh man this guy's ego is massive

He taunts and angers Wow players with his blogs. he really has a massive ego and is a narcissistic nut job.

Blizzards fans are beyond loyal, but how long before the love turns to hate?

Who are these fantasy only lovers?  I've never met one of them.  I know infinitely more Star Wars fans as I've met fantasy only guy.

And honestly don't you get tired of elves and dwarves after a while?  I would be tired of sci fi if it was the only show on the block for so many years...shouldn't you get tired of fantasy after so many years?

Wait im confused, did SWTOR suddenly gain 5 million players? ( the actual size of the number of players in the US for WOW in 2011, 10 mil worldwide) did they post their numbers?

Originally posted by Mardukk

Who are these fantasy only lovers?  I've never met one of them.  I know infinitely more Star Wars fans as I've met fantasy only guy.

And honestly don't you get tired of elves and dwarves after a while?  I would be tired of sci fi if it was the only show on the block for so many years...shouldn't you get tired of fantasy after so many years?
 

I suppoase I'm the fantasy lover. Yup, that would be me. I'm the guy.

And no, I'm not tired of fantasy so much as tired of "bad" fantasy.

I sort of look at it as "aren't you tired of humans..." and the answer would be "no".

It doesn't matter if it's elf fest or dwarf fest but what matters are great worlds and

fun game play and lore that supports whatever races are present. If anything I usually tire of sci-fi games (even though star wars isn't "sci-fi") probably because technology isn't as "sexy" to me  as much as mysticism or fables or myths. The idea of an unseen world that exists for a reason despite man.

So "no".

Also my experience is mostly the opposite of yours as I've mostly met fantasy lovers. Next would be actual sci-fi and then star wars. But this is mostly in games and literature.

I don't know many people who are just average joes that don't like Star Wars movies

over fantasy movies. And probably wtih good reason as most fantasy movies (other than some obvious arguably great fantasy movies) aren't so much good as just entertaining B movie fare.

As far as SWToR goes I'm having a blast, much more than I ever had in WoW. But that's just my taste.

The rule of 2 didn't come out until after this time period. This game takes place roughly 3000 years before the events of A New Hope. The rule of 2 didn't come about until around 2500 years before A New Hope. The only confusion is with people who don't understand how the time line works.

It isn't a rewriting of the time line, this is how its been in canon since before the prequels. There is more to the Star Wars universe than just the movies.

TOR might not kill WOW, but its certainly putting the hurt on it. Although I think the two can conexist in today's market. One is fanatsy and the other is Space Opera. One is old school theme park and the other is cutting edge next-gen story-driven theme park.  Even if TOR does get to 11 million or so subs. It won't matter to the WOW fans cause there Fanatasy fans. Where as TOR fans will celebrate as  Star Wars fans and Sc-Fi Space Opera fans.

But even within just the Fanatsy genre, its all relative. WOW is popular, so what. I personally think LOTRO is a better fantasy game, but thats just because I like the books. I'm a media franchise junkie, that why I like TOR as well. To me a good MMO is something I'm familar with and something I would want to live in.

Never been a Warcraft or Blizzard fan, so when I did try WOW. It didn't appeal to me.I even gave it two trys within two 14 day trials. And for the life of me, I don't see how WOW is as popular as it is and that it has lasted this long. I guess its like movies, for some reason some people like paying for crap. Well I've gotten off-topic, so I'll stop here.

I said the same thing months ago;  The Old Republic will have less then 500k subscribers 6 months adfter release. It's not a real mmorpg and only a game you play for a few months.Almost all the eggs are in the story and voice acting basket.

And now after finding out only a small percentage is spend playing that story, the rest of the time you will be doing arbitrary boring side quests and finding out the main story is a lot the same for each class in the same faction I wouldn't be surprised if it tanks like WAR or AOC.

I am a Sith Inquisitor and the other day I saw a few Wow hunters come my way , how they got here i do not know but when they pointed their puny guns at me I electrocuted them,  Oh Well so much for wow

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One would assume that SWTOR slaying WoW would mean it's got more subs then Wow no?

And it doesn't.. and won't anytime soon.. soo...........

I haven't noticed any drop off on the WoW server I play on. My guild is up and running full swing. And we have members that play both games.

Of course there is a ton of talk in the trade channel about Star Wars but it is always the same people day after day. 

Originally posted by Dracondis

SWTOR has as much chance of killing WoW as Lady Gaga has of winning Best Dressed.  Sure, they're both pretty enough in their own way, but it isn't like either one of them will ever care enough about winning to really put forth the effort it takes.

SWTOR has to worry about it's IP.  THey can't make it mainstream enough to kill WoW without sacrificing the established storyline.  And they can't invent new lore willy-nilly like Blizzard does because the stroy is well established, and we've already seen how badly it gets rejected by fans when someone, even the original author, creates new lore that doesn't jive with established lore.  Sure there are enough small points that can be expounded on for SWTOR to add things, but they already lost me with the Sith being playable ("Always two there are: one master and one apprentice"...  So what do we do with the other 3 million Sith Warriors over here that will kill the story between Chapters 3 and 4?)  Fortunately for BioWare, there are enough fanboys out there with self-insertion fantasies about Star Wars that they can get away with this hugely lore breaking oops, but it's still just the first step down a slippery slope in my book.

Blizzard isn't going to die to any newcomer to the arena, either.  GW2 has more chance of killing WoW than SWTOR does.  MoP looks like an awesome concept for an expansion, and the extra content aimed at the more casual player will certainly attract people interested in such things.  Their only stumblinb block there is the subscription fee itself.  Casual content is supposed to be free, and the players who would be interested in the content as new players to WoW aren't going to view the monthly fee with eager anticipation.  Still, I don't think its something Blizzard can't overcome.

 

The game timeline pre-dates the movie series by a couple centuries. Around the time of Revans return from the Dark side to become Jedi again. In the extended universe lore, this is a time of an abundance of force users, both light and dark. It takes place prior to the great purge and systematic destruction of the Jedi (lukes time).

The entire premise of the "The Old Republic" is a time of rebirth for the Sith Empire. Thats like right on the box cover FFS. You don't need to be a Star Wars afficianado to know that. If you ever played any of the Knights of the Old Republic games, you would know this as well.

Originally posted by purewitz

TOR might not kill WOW, but its certainly putting the hurt on it. Although I think the two can conexist in today's market. One is fanatsy and the other is Space Opera. One is old school theme park and the other is cutting edge next-gen story-driven theme park.  Even if TOR does get to 11 million or so subs. It won't matter to the WOW fans cause there Fanatasy fans. Where as TOR fans will celebrate as  Star Wars fans and Sc-Fi Space Opera fans.

But even within just the Fanatsy genre, its all relative. WOW is popular, so what. I personally think LOTRO is a better fantasy game, but thats just because I like the books. I'm a media franchise junkie, that why I like TOR as well. To me a good MMO is something I'm familar with and something I would want to live in.

Never been a Warcraft or Blizzard fan, so when I did try WOW. It didn't appeal to me.I even gave it two trys within two 14 day trials. And for the life of me, I don't see how WOW is as popular as it is and that it has lasted this long. I guess its like movies, for some reason some people like paying for crap. Well I've gotten off-topic, so I'll stop here.

^^this

Originally posted by thekid1

I said the same thing months ago;  The Old Republic will have less then 500k subscribers 6 months adfter release. It's not a real mmorpg and only a game you play for a few months.Almost all the eggs are in the story and voice acting basket.

And now after finding out only a small percentage is spend playing that story, the rest of the time you will be doing arbitrary boring side quests and finding out the main story is a lot the same for each class in the same faction I wouldn't be surprised if it tanks like WAR or AOC.

Who exactly said ANY of what you just posted? Do tell. No one. You made it up.

I've seen this before, the game is still in its first month, it will take a while for the player base to level out but more than likely it will hover at 2 to 2.5 million players.  it still be profitable but not a WOW killer.

Originally posted by Moirae

Originally posted by thekid1

I said the same thing months ago;  The Old Republic will have less then 500k subscribers 6 months adfter release. It's not a real mmorpg and only a game you play for a few months.Almost all the eggs are in the story and voice acting basket.

And now after finding out only a small percentage is spend playing that story, the rest of the time you will be doing arbitrary boring side quests and finding out the main story is a lot the same for each class in the same faction I wouldn't be surprised if it tanks like WAR or AOC.

Who exactly said ANY of what you just posted? Do tell. No one. You made it up.

 

Made what up? The part about most of the questing you will be doing are side quests?

Or that part where main story quests are for the most part the same for all classes in the same faction?

Warcraft will always be Warcraft.   If you love the game, then it will always be #1.  Some of my best gaming memories involved Warcraft during the BC years.  I don't think any game that comes out will let me recapture that feeling.   

With Rift moving into Asia later on in the year, Aion going F2P in EU, SW:TOR selling like hot cakes, and people salivating over GW2 (I know it's b2p but some people won't have time to dedicate to 2 MMO's, so they may let one go). That is a lot of things to compete with.

I personally feel it is going to be downhill for Warcraft.  I can still see them still having 2-3 million NA/EU subs in 2 years with the release of MoP.  Warcraft couldn't kill EQ and I don't think anything will kill ever Warcraft.