Originally posted by Projectseph

But that also being said, GW2 claims to have an individualized experience for every player.

As in, I burn down a bridge, and the whole player-base is affected.<-- Although I wonder how it will work out since there will be hundreds of players and how many bridges? And what then happens? Do ALL the hypothetical bridges stay burned down for good? Until they run out? Or does somebody else start a quest to re-build the bridge, and make my little feat of "architectural arson" redundant.

I really don't want to derail this thread by turning it into a GW2 discussion.  If you post this question in the GW2 forum I'll be happy to answer it.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/forum/996

The thing I'm wary with about The Secret World is combat itself. Now, I love that the game seems to not be about *only combat*, seeing as it's my biggest peeves... But it seems like combat is still going to be the main form of gameplay here, and well, Funcom's not done too god in that department, in my opinion. Many people like AOC's combat, but to me it's gimmicky, unwieldy and not really fluid, I also find the animations disjointed. Even in AO, I was more into builds than combat itself. Other than that, The Secret World is definitely more my kind of MMO than GW2 or anything else in the near future, and this includes ArcheAge, which I have high hopes for.

On the other hand, just going on my experience with GW, I fully expect GW2 to play quite well, and I'm hoping I will enjoy playing it on and off for quite some time - especially the PVP.

Originally posted by Sector13

Are we really jumping on the hype train for another game already?  Wake me up when this train derails like all the others.

sry but, if anything, people are jumping in the funcon hate train.

Originally posted by page

Originally posted by cali59

Originally posted by Chivalry1978

For a completly dynamic involvement game like gw2 claims I can see this easily owning gw2 in all but pvp aspect still dont know enough about tsw to know how the pvp interaction will be...I know enough about gw2, but I think if the pvp is any where near decent then tsw is the gw2 killer....

This morning you posted

Originally posted by Chivalry1978

5.Dynamic events, If the game is anything like the first guild wars then to be honest its more of a single player game with a chat box, Sure you may need a group for the harder parts, but guess what YOU CAN ACTUALLY GET npc mercs to fill in for that...Im not really seeing that as a selling point.

This post is entirely incorrect.

• GW2 is absolutely nothing like GW1 except for the lore, and even that is set 250 years in the future of the first game.
• GW2 is a true MMORPG, not a CORPG like GW1.
• One of the major goals of GW2 is to encourage community and socialization.
• The whole point of DEs is to be able to play with other players in the open world without needing to group.
• There are no NPC mercs in GW2.

 

If you want to learn about GW2, by all means come to the GW2 forum, read the stickies, watch some video, ask some questions and I'm sure myself or someone else will be happy to help answer them.  But until you do, please stop bashing a game you clearly don't know the first thing about.

 

On topic: I'm cautiously optimistic about TSW.

For one thing, they haven't talked about the payment model, but it's supposed to be P2P and I just can't really get excited about it with GW2 going B2P.

I would worry that certain builds would be optimal and result in defacto classes, especially if the gameplay lends itself more towards a holy trinity style where you need to specialize towards healer, tank or dps archetypes.  If you need to be able to do multiple things well, then I think this system has great potential.  If you ever have to make maximizing dps your sole focus, there will be a best build to accomplish that.  There must be.

Also, it's Funcom.  I wasn't around for AO and didn't buy AoC, but I've heard enough.  Their TSW phase 1 countdown event broke the website.  They posted that it was delayed for 4 hours and then 28 hours after that they finally updated Facebook to let people know it was delayed indefinitely.  Then finally two days later they posted again saying it was running.  It's just not an auspicious beginning.  I'd wait for reviews on this one.

The Secret World will have the Tanks, DPS and Healers. In watching one of the prod cast, it talked about If your group needed one of the three, you can change around your seven active skills from your inventory to satisfy your group needs.  I'm not sure if its on the fly or before an event.

theres these things called anima well dotted about where you can change your 14 skills for free (providing you have earned spare skills).

some of these wells appear in dungeons, as its necessary to change spec within the dungeon for certain encounters.  For example one boss hits so hard you cant tank or heal through him, but there is cover in place that prevents damage, so its highly recommended that for that fight all players in the party switch to a rdps spec and make use of the environment for protection. (I won't spoil it by saying who the boss is).

Lower "level" PVE instances are very flexible though, you don't need the trinity to complete them, they just used the trinity in the presentation, because they were presenting to industry suits, to whom the terms "wow" and "mmo" are like "hoover" and "vacumn cleaner".

on a side note:

I don't get the GW2 vs TSW thing, I wan't both games to do well for trying to do something different and shake the genre up a bit.  All Kudos to Arenanet and Funcom for not churning out YAEQCs*

*Yet Another Everquest Clone

Is this "inovative" or has it already been done in other MMO?

Dynamic Lighting

Its FPS style gameplay with the camera pulled back a notch add RTS elements and multiplayer (which anything that has more than ten people in it these days is called an MMO)

Looks fun though.

Originally posted by snapfusion

Its FPS style gameplay with the camera pulled back a notch add RTS elements and multiplayer (which anything that has more than ten people in it these days is called an MMO)

 

Looks fun though.

yeah as if definition of what is MMO is marked in stone right? 

Originally posted by Lexin

Cash Shop in a sub game no thank you.

Doesn't this entirely depend on price of the sub, prices in the shop, and value of the product? Just Sayin'

I can imagine a hypothetical MMO where I would pay a sub and then occassionally buy things in the shop. As a complete tangent, I don't think this game exists. And probably won't for at least 10 years or until the MMO market completely crashes and then the industry recovers into something that's more about the "game" rather than the "business of making games."

I guess the problem is that in the current enviornment I think cash shop + sub carries a lot of risk -- exploiting the customer; lazy design, or worse - business-driven design; pyschological manipulation. We live in an industry where if you do it "right" you come up with the business model before you come up with the game. The first question that gets asked is "okay... how do we monetize this?" Not like... "what would be an awesome game we could make, that customers would pay for because they see value because there is no other game out there which delivers this experience"  Of course when you make any product you want to know how you are going to sell it, and deliver it. That's a huge part of a business.

But I feel when you are making entertainment, the most important thing is making something entertaining. Not making something that hits all the right bullets that your market-analyists and executives have identified as the features to maximize revenue, because "Well if we don't have X feature in our game, how can we ever expect to hit Y users and make Z profit?!." At anything above the indie / small company level, this is how games often get designed.

It's Funcom...and my past history with them (a long battle about how crafting should be a larger focus in AOC during the pre launch era...then them subsequently caving in to my point (not necessarily me, just my point) months/years after launch) which prevents me from pre-ordering TSW or really following it at all.

That said I wish it a ton of success and it may be a game I pick up a few months to a year after launch if it hasn't gone F2P. I wish it grand success if only to prove the folks who aren't capable of playing anything that isn't a level/class based, structured hand-holding progression system that classless, skill based systems do work...again.

Again, during their time, UO and SWG(pre CU/NGE) were very successful games subscription wise.

Originally posted by cali59

Originally posted by Projectseph

But that also being said, GW2 claims to have an individualized experience for every player.

As in, I burn down a bridge, and the whole player-base is affected.<-- Although I wonder how it will work out since there will be hundreds of players and how many bridges? And what then happens? Do ALL the hypothetical bridges stay burned down for good? Until they run out? Or does somebody else start a quest to re-build the bridge, and make my little feat of "architectural arson" redundant.

I really don't want to derail this thread by turning it into a GW2 discussion.  If you post this question in the GW2 forum I'll be happy to answer it.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/forum/996

Way to remove a small piece of my post and take it entirely out of context.

I was posting in RE to other posters about how "The Classless system"in TSW could be just another Pre-Game-Hype that every game seems to flaunt 1 or 2 of. (Such as Rift, or GW2, and still TSW)

In no way was I aiming at SPECIFICALLY targetting or bad mouthing GW2.

Please don't accuse me of derailing a thread because I used the name of another game as an example of current "Advertising Trends".

Originally posted by Projectseph

Originally posted by cali59

Originally posted by Projectseph

But that also being said, GW2 claims to have an individualized experience for every player.

As in, I burn down a bridge, and the whole player-base is affected.<-- Although I wonder how it will work out since there will be hundreds of players and how many bridges? And what then happens? Do ALL the hypothetical bridges stay burned down for good? Until they run out? Or does somebody else start a quest to re-build the bridge, and make my little feat of "architectural arson" redundant.

I really don't want to derail this thread by turning it into a GW2 discussion.  If you post this question in the GW2 forum I'll be happy to answer it.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/forum/996

Way to remove a small piece of my post and take it entirely out of context.

I was posting in RE to other posters about how "The Classless system"in TSW could be just another Pre-Game-Hype that every game seems to flaunt 1 or 2 of. (Such as Rift, or GW2, and still TSW)

In no way was I aiming at SPECIFICALLY targetting or bad mouthing GW2.

Please don't accuse me of derailing a thread because I used the name of another game as an example of current "Advertising Trends".

I was not accusing you of derailing a thread.  I was saying that my answering your questions on how GW2 works here in this thread instead of the GW2 forums would be derailing.

You claim you wrote that to talk about hype.  First you're saying that Rift did something but it didn't live up to the hype.  Had you followed it up with something like "GW2 is also promising something, will that live up to the hype?" then that would be one thing.  But instead of doing that, you're asking very specific questions about how GW2 works.  They're questions which, to be honest, show that you don't really understand how GW2 works at all.

I was trying to help you by suggesting that you post those questions in the appropriate forum where I'd be happy to help you again by answering them.  That offer still stands if you're interested.

Don't forget, AO is still alive and kicking. So they must have done something right.

Originally posted by Chivalry1978

As for my statement of society yes it is relevant as what we experience in life we tend to bring to all things. We tend to frown of racism thus its not allowed in mmo's, We tend to act like jerks in reality thus we act like jerks in forums. So it is not a far stretch for me to take the rather vindictive nature of humanity as a basis for why people will judge something off one mistake rather then look at the item as a whole and see all the things in brought. Pardon me for not focusing only on a negative aspect of something. If that was the case no new medications would ever come to light to save lives. Every thing in life is a trade off of one thing or another. Those who play chess will tell you this.

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Lol...try not to be so sensitive. There were no veiled insults. Your analogy is terrible. That's it. Nothing personal meant by it. Anyways, yes, TSW has a lot of potential. We'll see how it pans out. I'm watching it, but I can certainly understand why some would be wary about Funcom. Yes, mmo launches have had their issues but if you have been around as long as you say playing these games then you know well as I do that launches have come a long way compared to how they used to be. Some have actually been rather impressive. As they should...live and learn they say.

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Originally posted by Highttower
Don't forget, AO is still alive and kicking. So they must have done something right.

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Originally posted by lizardbones

 

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Originally posted by Highttower
Don't forget, AO is still alive and kicking. So they must have done something right.

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Not only that, a major percentage of their funding for TSW is coming from AoC. Their 'failure' with AoC is leading to the development of a whole new MMORPG. They are doing something right.

 

problem is this reminds me of Daoc to Warhammer, the ealier one was 100x better than the newer one.  Some ppl just dont ever learn from their mistakes.

oooOOOOOo zombies!!

I want to play just because it has zombies.

lol

That would be killer if the game had risk vs reward so I could actually get scared of dying.

ArenaNet > Funcom

GW2 > TSW

2 - 0

But that's just me. :)

Originally posted by Adamantine

Whats the obsession with classless ? I will never get it. Is it now getting so crazy that a simple "this game has no classes" will already earn you a big "oooh wonderful best game ever" now ???

Other than that, the OP said NOTHING which was ANYTHING unusual. Could have as well talked about Darkfall or Archeage or whatever. And in fact the later two have more appealing world settings.

And I'm not going to follow links to figure out what the OP *possibly* actually liked about the game to praise it that skyhigh. If he cant say it himself - meh.

Whats wrong with you ?....Do we need to dial 9-1-1 :)

Originally posted by page

The game is developed by Funcom.  Before you get all mad, I'm willing to give them another chance.  After all, they did put there hart into making Age Of Conan. I would guess they had learned their lesson.

They made the same mistake with AoC that they made with Anarchy Online, releasing it well before it was ready.  AO became a good game as did AoC but they effectively killed the game from a popularity standpoint due to the terrible launches.  Funcom has made some very good games and this could be good, so long as they don't release an what amounts to an alpha or early beta version of a game like they did with their two other MMOs.

The game itself, beyond Funcom's track record of releases does look very cool.