Bioware only included some aspect of PVP so they could put it on the box.

This game has no real PVP and never will.  It's a co-op game.  Also, it's Bioware, so I thought that was pretty much understood?  Just play it like an RPG and cancel after the first month.  Win the game, like you win any other RPG and that's that.

Easy.

Originally posted by dweetybyrd

Where is the rage! Make your voice heard or this will become a single player PvE game that is marketed as a MMORPG. If enough post maybe the investors ande managers will realze that the PvP community should not be blown off.

Fight the Power

Originally posted by Tarwater

Bioware only included some aspect of PVP so they could put it on the box.

 

 

This game has no real PVP and never will.  It's a co-op game.  Also, it's Bioware, so I thought that was pretty much understood?  Just play it like an RPG and cancel after the first month.  Win the game, like you win any other RPG and that's that.

 

Easy.

 

 

Bioware Defense Force UNITE!!!!!

I agree OP but............

After playing SWTOR,  did you expect an amazingly deep & balanced PvP?

I didn´t.

It is Bioware´s first MMO... And You can tell.

Even TRION did A LOT better in their first try with RIFT.

A shame.... :(

Originally posted by Zzad

I agree OP but............

After playing SWTOR,  did you expect an amazingly deep & balanced PvP?

I didn´t.

It is Bioware´s first MMO... And You can tell.

Even TRION did A LOT better in their first try with RIFT.

A shame.... :(

I found PVP in Rift to be pretty unbalanced and quite frankly - boring. I've had the most fun in PVP ever in SWTOR - and there's much room for additional PVP Warzones and content.

I know many of you think of PVP as a full corpse loot - noob gank fest but SWTOR's PVP is pretty balanced cpmpared to Rift's and especially Wow's - which is horrible atm.

Originally posted by Tarwater

Bioware only included some aspect of PVP so they could put it on the box.

 

 

This game has no real PVP and never will.  It's a co-op game.  Also, it's Bioware, so I thought that was pretty much understood?  Just play it like an RPG and cancel after the first month.  Win the game, like you win any other RPG and that's that.

 

Easy.

 

 

Very well put. I have been waiting so long for this game, with all the 'pvp' servers and faction warfare, etc.. hoped for more.. oh well :(

 

I have to admit, I laughed at this post. Most people make their voice heard with their wallets... Know what I mean?

Funny guy has a point.. I just cancelled my sub... hopefully one of many. If not, on the the next game!

Originally posted by echolynfan

Originally posted by Zzad

I agree OP but............

After playing SWTOR,  did you expect an amazingly deep & balanced PvP?

I didn´t.

It is Bioware´s first MMO... And You can tell.

Even TRION did A LOT better in their first try with RIFT.

A shame.... :(

I found PVP in Rift to be pretty unbalanced and quite frankly - boring. I've had the most fun in PVP ever in SWTOR - and there's much room for additional PVP Warzones and content.

I know many of you think of PVP as a full corpse loot - noob gank fest but SWTOR's PVP is pretty balanced cpmpared to Rift's and especially Wow's - which is horrible atm.

 

I respect & kudos your fun with the game!

I am also enjoying it a lot. I am not a hardcore PvP player... a lot more PvEr....

but swtor´s pvp setting atm is a joke compared to Rift´s....not just in balance.

As i said i am playing swtor atm  ..but still...

BW is a clueless developer and unfortunately, they have linked arms with Mythic whose catastrophic failure is the elephant in the MMORPG room. 

I don't see them having a plan. To think of solutions, one must be aware of problems... given the flat-out idiotic decisions BW has made so far, I doubt they are even aware of a problem. 

But by all means, I encourage them to do all their press releases, Times Square dance parties and stupidly, over-expensive, needlessly extravagent CEs. I'm sure things like those are great for the genre. 

Originally posted by pharazonic

BW is a clueless developer and unfortunately, they have linked arms with Mythic whose catastrophic failure is the elephant in the MMORPG room. 

I don't see them having a plan. To think of solutions, one must be aware of problems... given the flat-out idiotic decisions BW has made so far, I doubt they are even aware of a problem. 

But by all means, I encourage them to do all their press releases, Times Square dance parties and stupidly, over-expensive, needlessly extravagent CEs. I'm sure things like those are great for the genre. 

Ouch! hahahahah

+1

but i must dissagree with your BW perception.

wait for Mass Effect 3 & tell me BW sucks....

they did with their MMO though :/

Originally posted by Zzad

Originally posted by pharazonic

BW is a clueless developer and unfortunately, they have linked arms with Mythic whose catastrophic failure is the elephant in the MMORPG room. 

I don't see them having a plan. To think of solutions, one must be aware of problems... given the flat-out idiotic decisions BW has made so far, I doubt they are even aware of a problem. 

But by all means, I encourage them to do all their press releases, Times Square dance parties and stupidly, over-expensive, needlessly extravagent CEs. I'm sure things like those are great for the genre. 

Ouch! hahahahah

+1

but i must dissagree with your BW perception.

wait for Mass Effect 3 & tell me BW sucks....

they did with their MMO though :/

Sorry, I meant that. This is their first MMO after all, so I can cut them some slack.

But so much in the game was given extensive feedback over Beta and they did... nothing. Makes you wonder. 

Originally posted by dweetybyrd

What is BIOWARE doing about PvP!!!!!


Open world - seriously? 120 max people (double that for enemy - maybe) is that seriously a MMO? 120 people per planet instance is massive? wow - not in my world. Im lvl 45 - I have seen 6 people since pre lauch - well done.

1.  What game out there now has PvP zones with 240 people in them?

2.  When you level *much* faster than everyone else you have zero right to complain about not seeing other people

3.  SWTOR has an entire planet dedicated to PvP, wait a month and see how it plays out as people start getting to 50.  I have fears that it will be too imbalanced population wise, but its too early to tell when 95% of the population isnt into their upper 40s yet.

Originally posted by dweetybyrd

Originally posted by Tarwater

Bioware only included some aspect of PVP so they could put it on the box.

 

 

This game has no real PVP and never will.  It's a co-op game.  Also, it's Bioware, so I thought that was pretty much understood?  Just play it like an RPG and cancel after the first month.  Win the game, like you win any other RPG and that's that.

 

Easy.

 

 

Very well put. I have been waiting so long for this game, with all the 'pvp' servers and faction warfare, etc.. hoped for more.. oh well :(

Yes, I'd waited for years for this game, as well.  Every time I played a Bioware game during SWTOR's development, I hoped that the long string of hits would continue...

...but then DA2 came. 

I realized that Bioware could actually make a mistake.  What's worse, they could (and would willingly) release crap.  DA2 was an unfinished mess, and I remember distinctly thinking that this might be a problem for SWTOR.  With Mythic's failure and then the awful DA2 release -- I started to second-guess Bioware.  My fears were finally confirmed with SWTOR, because I don't even know what it is.  I don't think they even know what it is.

I don't think there's any definitive, creative vision for this game.  And I don't know if that's a result to a particular branch of the company that's involved or what.  It's just all over the map, with unfinished portions of the game left in -- and obvious additions that should be included, which were left out. 

It's a strange, strange game.

Not sure if it was the Austin folks that made this?  Or the Canadian branch?  I don't really know.  But there was a disconnect somewhere in the company, I imagine.

Originally posted by teakbois

Originally posted by dweetybyrd

What is BIOWARE doing about PvP!!!!!


Open world - seriously? 120 max people (double that for enemy - maybe) is that seriously a MMO? 120 people per planet instance is massive? wow - not in my world. Im lvl 45 - I have seen 6 people since pre lauch - well done.

1.  What game out there now has PvP zones with 240 people in them?

2.  When you level *much* faster than everyone else you have zero right to complain about not seeing other people

3.  SWTOR has an entire planet dedicated to PvP, wait a month and see how it plays out as people start getting to 50.  I have fears that it will be too imbalanced population wise, but its too early to tell when 95% of the population isnt into their upper 40s yet.

Dear Meatball:

1. I am a level 40.... Listened to every main and side quest.. not that far ahead of everyone else. I have seen 5 people in open world since pre-launch. FIVE!!!!!!!!!! 120 per WOLRD -  MAX - maybe double that for Republic.. but, since empire outnumbers republic 4 to 1 on our server... figure it out. (Please look at the guild list before you rage reply)

2. Im lvl 40 - crap load of 50s running around. Also, my 20 toon has the same issues with heavily instanced, no open world, joke of huttball issues. Carry on.

3. Should we really have to wait till endgame for PvP - on a PvP server? Need I say more?  -- BAM!

not everyone will rush to level cap OP granted the game is a cake walk to level up in i've seen plenty of people making alts experimenting PvP is Meh i've never been a pvp junkie ever since EQ (team servers) and DAoC i've had no true interest in PvP in MMO's it was little or less a side feature.

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Originally posted by dweetybyrd

^^ A run-on sentence is a sentence in which two or more independent clauses (i.e., complete sentences) are joined without appropriate punctuation or conjunction. :)

Originally posted by Tarwater

 

Not sure if it was the Austin folks that made this?  Or the Canadian branch?  I don't really know.  But there was a disconnect somewhere in the company, I imagine.

Austin folks. Which is why I always snorted in annoyance when anyone cited Dragon Age/Mass Effect's brilliance when talking about SWTOR pre-release. 

Off topic: I'm not sure who made DA2 but that was an appalling game in every sense possible.