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  Icewhite

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12/31/11 7:13:12 AM#41

So, it's really similar to BGs in every other game, at any given time half of the people are standing around doing nothing?  Playing for rewards instead of for competition?

I think you've made a shocking discovery, that MMO players as a group will always seek and use the path of least resistance.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  SpeedMann

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12/31/11 7:18:36 AM#42
Originally posted by snapfusion

BATTLEGROUNDS  Launching with three is fine for now WOW launched with zero, oh you dont remember? Ya and classes have unique abilities giving them diferent advantages in different situations......so?

 

WORLD PVP  Would like to see more of it

 

PVP on ILLUM Sounds like everyones exploiting but there are not that many 50's yet so everyone knows everyone maybe it will change when the zerg arrives.

WOW was fun at launch. They are ruining it as they go along though.

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  nate1980

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12/31/11 7:29:45 AM#43

All I have to say to the OP is that "I Don't Care!"

PvP is not the focus of this game and IMO PvP ruins most games. The only two games I've played where I felt that PvP was done right was in SWG and DAoC. Also, I could care less about getting the best gear! That's all a mindset that WoW brought into the genre, and I don't care for it.

I only play this game to experience the story-based content.

I'm a Sith Marauder, a class that many considered underpowered, but I do fine in the warzones and I don't find lvl 50's to be that much of a nuisance. Hey, the got to level 50 and earned it. I never had a problem with Jedi being and alpha class in SWG, and I don't have a problem with PvPing with higher levels, since our health and dmg is boosted. Just think of this in RPing terms. You're not as "skilled" in the art of combat or the force as others you're fighting against, so it takes more to take down a more skilled oppenent. Anakin and Obi-wan had to double team a Sith Lord when they weren't as powerful and no one batted an eyelash towards that.

  User Deleted
12/31/11 7:54:04 AM#44
Originally posted by pharazonic
The fact that you would use evidence of the "Transformers" movies to debunk his argument makes me question your (awful) train of though. 

Here's a clue - the true people who watch movies as a hobbie and not as a throwaway event now and then do watch and typically hold the innovative movies in higher esteem.

the money of the masses is just as good as the money of the "true hardcorz!!11"

  drbaltazar

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12/31/11 7:56:40 AM#45

PVP on ILLUM Sounds like everyones exploiting 

this statement is exactly what is going on on illum

nothing more nothing less it is exploit,what tick me off is when they make change they wont remove pro gear and put everybody =term.it might annoy the end game first but it would equalise change cause when they make change the end game pvp guy will chime in a prevent the other following behind.all because bioware made another mistake by thinking pvp would happen by itself lol.

  Soki123

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12/31/11 8:05:05 AM#46

Illum has some of that, but the majority are about fighting each other. At least on my server. This site is so full of vocal minorities, whining because they cant win a pixelated fight. It s not that bad on Illum or in the warzones.

  drbaltazar

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12/31/11 8:18:56 AM#47

did you check the game braker video (start at the first dot or so!)you see them each side going their merry way why would they bother they get their max pvp geart without fighting (screw fighting)i would do the same,and then those guys once pvp geared will come and prevent lower level from doing the same.bw should for pvp by forcing each pvp a certain amount i dont mean win but i mean engage say 5 per time you kill one of your needed stuff want to loot it?got to engage 5 enemy!or such thing!i dont mean win but at least make a show of pvp gees

  Soki123

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12/31/11 8:25:30 AM#48
Originally posted by drbaltazar

did you check the game braker video (start at the first dot or so!)you see them each side going their merry way why would they bother they get their max pvp geart without fighting (screw fighting)i would do the same,and then those guys once pvp geared will come and prevent lower level from doing the same.bw should for pvp by forcing each pvp a certain amount i dont mean win but i mean engage say 5 per time you kill one of your needed stuff want to loot it?got to engage 5 enemy!or such thing!i dont mean win but at least make a show of pvp gees

I don t need a video, I play it instead. It s not as bad as people are saying, at least not on my server. I m sure I m not on the only server to be this way. Also the pvp gear does not make a huge difference, a difference sure, but not enough to make a good player beat a player who really has no idea how to play his char, except a few buttons. As I said, it s not as bad as people are saying at all, but then again I guess a video knows all.

  Zeus.CM

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12/31/11 8:32:02 AM#49

It's biowares first mmo, give them a break. Will be better next time.

  Gdemami

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12/31/11 8:53:51 AM#50

Imo, there should be no PVP rewards, at least for world PVP, in the first place.


It is a poor design choice.

  User Deleted
12/31/11 8:59:48 AM#51

Two problems with the themepark pvp crowd.

1. Most would be happier in some form of tab target FPS rather than a RPG

2. Most people who join the PVP server have no intent on open world PVP unless it proves to be better loot and faster leveling than questing...rather than pvp for the enjoyment of it

 

Im steadily becoming convinced that a large portion of mmorpg players would be far happier playing another multiplayer onine game type, rather than RPG...its seems everything RPG seems to be the enemy these days.  This is strange since there are so many other options out there.

SWTOR pvp sucks because its not FPS/CTF/Deathmatch enough is what i have gatherd here.

  kartana

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12/31/11 9:10:39 AM#52
Originally posted by Leucent
Originally posted by spizz

Yes 10-50 grouping is good.....says who, St. Claus ? Maybe get in and play lvl 15 toon and have more than half of your opponents as lvl 50. You could go afk and it would not change the gameplay round....it is irritating that people defend this .  Its not not understandable, since its natural that you would see the flaws here.

Theres nothing wrong with it at all. People make a big deal out of it, As a matter of fact when I was 15 ish I never even looked at the opponents levels. I was fighting. I won my fair share, and it s not hard to beat many higher then you.

The problem is not the level, it's the gear! There is now way you could win a fight against a top geared level 50 that knows what he is doing!

  echolynfan

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12/31/11 9:15:50 AM#53

Try playing a level 80 in the 80-85 bracket in Wow and see what happens: you get brutally savaged by level 85 players who have almost double the HP you do and top end gear to boot.

SWTOR PVP is more "fairly" balanced than most games and while I found it more diufficult to beat level 50's it wasn't impossible - at some point most people will be level 50 anyway so it won't matter.

The only advanatge I've seen are with Force users in Huttball - this is true. The ability to force run and jump gives you a clear advantage in this match no doubt.

PVP in SWTOR is the most fun I've had ever and eventually things will even out as people hit level cap. If you still think it's bad - roll a toon in Wow and give those BG's a try for a most "unbalanced" experience :)

Currently playing as Pete Puma on Excalibur. FF ARR - The best MMO I've played since SWG!

  echolynfan

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12/31/11 9:17:35 AM#54
Originally posted by pharazonic

The PvP in this game is downright awful from what I have heard. Balance issues aside, BW has been incredibly naive in their approach to PvP.

 

Blizzard learned in 2008 that servers will co-operate even in PvP and trade the zone back and forth to get the reward. Therefore, they intervened and fixed it by tweaking how the rewards worked. 

What you describe in SWTOR is similar in nature -- but BW has the inexpertise or lack of knowledge to not even think their PvP model is broken.

 

Let's not even touch the Warzone level thing. As I said earlier, some very "special" individual at BioWare head office must have been on something when they decided to lump all players for WZ. 

 

What a downright dumb idea. 

 

 

Maybe you should actually PLAY the game before making an uninformed and innacurate comment - you'll look smarter :)

Currently playing as Pete Puma on Excalibur. FF ARR - The best MMO I've played since SWG!

  Worstluck

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12/31/11 9:26:48 AM#55

Just started playing a few days so I can't comment on the PvP, I don't intend to bother with it really (I get my pvp in FPS/RTS games).  However I will say that Bioware should receive no 'break' for it being their first MMO.  From my understanding, some of the same people who designed/managed Warhammer Onlines RvR aspects helped design SWTOR's pvp, and WHO turned out great eh...If the pvp in SWTOR is lame now, I do however have some blind faith though they will fix it up eventually, unlike Warhammer, which never had a chance.

  gt4980b

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12/31/11 9:31:33 AM#56

I agree.  PvP sucks.  No one open world PvP's.  And if you do, prepare to be yelled at.  BY YOUR OWN FACTION!   Its insane.  That means everyone warzones and the level 50's just roll everyone.  You just can't win against them.  6 people beating on an Inquisitor and he just casually walks into the goal for huttball.  And if its a pre-made 50 team.  Just find a corner to hide in and just go afk.  Cause you aint winning. 

Please note that I did not mention the overpowered Inquisitor class, the way underpowered Jedi Juggernaut class, the wonky resolve system, the chain stuns that the resolve system was suppose to solve, the 1-2 second lag, and other nit picky things....most problems could be resolved by adding tiers but I have a feeling the servers don't hold enough players to support tiers.

I have just given up.  During one of these lvl 50 face rolls, I logged into swtor and canceled my account.  I'll be back when they fix the pvp.  I could care less aboout the story after 4 months of playing beta.  I can watch that on youtube.  And the flashpoints and operations(which are broken also) are all tank-and-spank which I can get in a f2p game. 

  snapfusion

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12/31/11 9:33:54 AM#57
Originally posted by Zlayer77
Originally posted by snapfusion

BATTLEGROUNDS  Launching with three is fine for now WOW launched with zero, oh you dont remember? Ya and classes have unique abilities giving them diferent advantages in different situations......so?

 

WORLD PVP  Would like to see more of it

 

PVP on ILLUM Sounds like everyones exploiting but there are not that many 50's yet so everyone knows everyone maybe it will change when the zerg arrives.

I dont think people want to play WoW2? do you? why even have battlegrounds? fucking boring crap. If developers tried to make some Inovation and try to Understand that people really dont want to watch the same movies OVER and Over and they sure dont want to play the same game Over and over, we might get us a smash hit in the MMO market. 

I bought Skyrim, One time cost, And Iv loged about 200 hours now, and Im having a blast, I had a shitload of fun with Read dead redemption before that.. If you dont count EvE online the last time I had alot of fun in an MMO was back in 2004-2005 when I played World of warcraft, and guess what I hated the Battlegounds they brought into that game, I quit it after Burning crusade came out.. havent looked back.. I had a little bit of fun playing age of conan also because that game actually tried some Inovation, with the combat etc, But FAIL COME droped the ball on that one... Could have been the next big thing if they held of a year or 2 before Releasing it.... 

But I guess its going to take a few more Massive FAILS to get the MMO industry back to its INDY ROTS.. and we can have some decent games again.. with death penelties and Hardcore feeling to them... People dont like dumb down content.. "Dark Souls" and "Ninja guiden" comes to mind, hardcore games Earn Respect.. Games build for avrage Joe dosent... 

Good MMOS

Linage2

vanilla WoW, what most of you little kiddies dont understand is that The pre burning crusade WoW was alot more hardcore then the dumb down shit it is today... Repair costs, atunments, having 40 man ready for a raid and the world pvp was alot of fun..

Dark age of Camelot

Ultima Online

EvE online

Bad MMOS

Most everything Relased after 2004.. WAR, champions online, AoC and Star Trek online being the real bottom feeders, but Lord of the rings and a few others arnt far behind..

I made the comparisn to Wow because its pretty clear thats their target market.  And wishing TOR to be some old school sandbox style game is well wishfull thinking.

  echolynfan

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12/31/11 10:06:03 AM#58
Originally posted by nerovipus32

Swtor will be just another themepark end game raiding mmo with new raids added every few months and nothing else. this is one mmo i wont be paying 15 bucks a month to play. if i wanted to play an mmo like this i would just play wow because wow does this kind of content the best. i cant believe that a star wars mmo end game is raiding, they must have some bright sparks at bioware to come up with this kind of original content. i was giving swtor the benefit of the doubt but now i'll say it...wow clone.

You REALLY need to invent the perfect MMO since you seem to know what it takes. Let me know how that goes :)

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  RizelStar

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12/31/11 10:14:29 AM#59
Originally posted by Crunchy221

Two problems with the themepark pvp crowd.

1. Most would be happier in some form of tab target FPS rather than a RPG

2. Most people who join the PVP server have no intent on open world PVP unless it proves to be better loot and faster leveling than questing...rather than pvp for the enjoyment of it

 

Im steadily becoming convinced that a large portion of mmorpg players would be far happier playing another multiplayer onine game type, rather than RPG...its seems everything RPG seems to be the enemy these days.  This is strange since there are so many other options out there.

SWTOR pvp sucks because its not FPS/CTF/Deathmatch enough is what i have gatherd here.

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  drbaltazar

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12/31/11 10:14:58 AM#60

on average most rpg are morpg when they re online game!not many can brag about the massive part,and their view of massive isnt ccp (eve online)view of massive multiplayer!so yes the other poster that said player should move out of rpg is right we all expect mmorpg nad always get morpg or corpg.wow was mmorpg in the vanilla era,swtor surprisingly has the mmorpg in it,world raid pvp ?i sure havent seen this in a while and loot on the boss is good enough that it will be popular,as for illum!very easy to fix instead of putting loot on monster there you kill monster then it give you the right to pvp to get loot of player ,this way it force pvp and no big mecanic change

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