Originally posted by zymurgeist

This should be funny. In this matchup the fight for the moral high ground will be waged in a septic tank.

Exactly what I was thinking lol

Originally posted by mcburly

someone needs to take these dumb hackers down. these companies have every right to not wanting people to pirate software. If someone doesnt feel the item is worth paying for then dont pay for it. pirating is theft no matter how you slice it. This group anonymous's cause is ridiculous and they are just trying to show how "powerful" they are because they are good with a computer.

The funny thing is this sopa act isnt going to stop pirating but it is going to seriously hamper if not destroy the internet as we know it.

Currently websites are not held responsible for user generated content that infringes as long as they take things down when they see it / its reported and do their best to self police.

With this new policy that will no longer be the case. Everyone will be liable for what their users do post, which means anything thats posted has to be screened first in advance.

So sites like youtube, twitter, facebook, internet forums like this one, web hosting companies, search engines etc etc are all targeted. This will pretty much kill social networking and any and all sites based on user generated content.

Imagine if someone at MMORPG.com had to authorize any and every post on the site.

So before you go throwing your support in for a bill you might want to see what exactly it is they are supporting. I'm not a pro-hacker but I definitely wont be doing business with sony anymore if I can help it.

Originally posted by mcburly

Originally posted by VowOfSilence

Originally posted by mcburly

Originally posted by Zadawn

Originally posted by mcburly

someone needs to take these dumb hackers down. these companies have every right to not wanting people to pirate software. If someone doesnt feel the item is worth paying for then dont pay for it. pirating is theft no matter how you slice it. This group anonymous's cause is ridiculous and they are just trying to show how "powerful" they are because they are good with a computer.

Then i must be the greatest thief there ever was/is.

thats just sad

 

unfortunate how common it is for people to believe this is ok.

so i take it that you believe that a maximum penalty of 5 years in prison for 10 pieces of music or movies is ok?

I'm afraid the world isn't as black-and-white as you'd like it to be.

so just cause the penalty is harsh its wrong? lol

In what way am i going to feel bad for someone who decides to steal a form of entertainment. I dont care if the penalty is death. Its not like they are stealing food to survive.

So just to be clear, you are fine with the death penalty for any and all copy right infringement?

Originally posted by Mundus

@mcburly The problem is not what SOPA is allegedly aimed at (stopping piracy), but what it actually does.

You might want to read this: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/toms-hardware-sopa-Stop-Online-Piracy-Act-PROTECT-IP-Senate,14393.html

yet if pirating hasnt gotten out of control like it has then its possible this act wouldnt be an issue. This can be argued many different ways and there are areas of that act I dont agree with. As someone who just wants to enjoy the games I play Im tired of these hacker groups pulling this crap. That last attack on sony effected me as I wasnt able to game. In no way was I blaming Sony on that, im blaming anon. plain and simple. If they really have a "righteous cause" then they better make sure it only targets the ones they intend it to.

im against pirating and thats all. As someone who works within this industry, I am the one who gets screwed over by products getting stolen, pirated instead of being purchased. Its definitely not the big wigs. All they do is cut payroll if business is getting slow. Most if not all are pretty well off so if they so happen to go out of business, they will be fine.

Originally posted by Pyrostasis

Originally posted by mcburly

Originally posted by VowOfSilence

Originally posted by mcburly

Originally posted by Zadawn

Originally posted by mcburly

someone needs to take these dumb hackers down. these companies have every right to not wanting people to pirate software. If someone doesnt feel the item is worth paying for then dont pay for it. pirating is theft no matter how you slice it. This group anonymous's cause is ridiculous and they are just trying to show how "powerful" they are because they are good with a computer.

Then i must be the greatest thief there ever was/is.

thats just sad

 

unfortunate how common it is for people to believe this is ok.

so i take it that you believe that a maximum penalty of 5 years in prison for 10 pieces of music or movies is ok?

I'm afraid the world isn't as black-and-white as you'd like it to be.

so just cause the penalty is harsh its wrong? lol

In what way am i going to feel bad for someone who decides to steal a form of entertainment. I dont care if the penalty is death. Its not like they are stealing food to survive.

So just to be clear, you are fine with the death penalty for any and all copy right infringement?

NO! thats not wat I said.. Rawwwrrrr

I love the law. I never stole anything.. or lied... or cheated.... or lusted...

/sarcasm

Originally posted by Puremallace

Originally posted by Pyrostasis

So sites like youtube, twitter, facebook, internet forums like this one, web hosting companies, search engines etc etc are all targeted. This will pretty much kill social networking and any and all sites based on user generated content.

Imagine if someone at MMORPG.com had to authorize any and every post on the site.

So before you go throwing your support in for a bill you might want to see what exactly it is they are supporting. I'm not a pro-hacker but I definitely wont be doing business with sony anymore if I can help it.

[Mod Edit]

I dont know there are a lot of rather large companies against it. Google, Twitter, Amazon, Microsoft, Ebay, Paypal, just to name a few.

I know they are talking about a national blackout of webservices prior to the vote to help get the word out. Imagine if all of those services shut down for even just a day....

For the story click here

Originally posted by mcburly

Originally posted by Mundus

@mcburly The problem is not what SOPA is allegedly aimed at (stopping piracy), but what it actually does.

You might want to read this: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/toms-hardware-sopa-Stop-Online-Piracy-Act-PROTECT-IP-Senate,14393.html

yet if pirating hasnt gotten out of control like it has then its possible this act wouldnt be an issue. This can be argued many different ways and there are areas of that act I dont agree with. As someone who just wants to enjoy the games I play Im tired of these hacker groups pulling this crap. That last attack on sony effected me as I wasnt able to game. In no way was I blaming Sony on that, im blaming anon. plain and simple. If they really have a "righteous cause" then they better make sure it only targets the ones they intend it to.

 

im against pirating and thats all. As someone who works within this industry, I am the one who gets screwed over by products getting stolen, pirated instead of being purchased. Its definitely not the big wigs. All they do is cut payroll if business is getting slow. Most if not all are pretty well off so if they so happen to go out of business, they will be fine.

Anonymous did you a favor by exposing the horrible security sony had.  Consider yourself lucky they caught it first and didn't exploit the information they gathered!

Nobody should have to explain this to you.

Originally posted by mcburly

Originally posted by Mundus

@mcburly The problem is not what SOPA is allegedly aimed at (stopping piracy), but what it actually does.

You might want to read this: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/toms-hardware-sopa-Stop-Online-Piracy-Act-PROTECT-IP-Senate,14393.html

yet if pirating hasnt gotten out of control like it has then its possible this act wouldnt be an issue. This can be argued many different ways and there are areas of that act I dont agree with. As someone who just wants to enjoy the games I play Im tired of these hacker groups pulling this crap. That last attack on sony effected me as I wasnt able to game. In no way was I blaming Sony on that, im blaming anon. plain and simple. If they really have a "righteous cause" then they better make sure it only targets the ones they intend it to.

 

im against pirating and thats all. As someone who works within this industry, I am the one who gets screwed over by products getting stolen, pirated instead of being purchased. Its definitely not the big wigs. All they do is cut payroll if business is getting slow. Most if not all are pretty well off so if they so happen to go out of business, they will be fine.

I think most people are anti piracy, but  this is like cutting off your nose to save your face. I'm all for going after the pirates, but this is NOT the way to do it.

Hell just look at your sig and icon, did you create those images? Do you own the rights? Thats infringement right there. Do you see how ridiculous this can get?

Originally posted by mcburly

Originally posted by VowOfSilence

Originally posted by mcburly

Originally posted by Zadawn

Originally posted by mcburly

someone needs to take these dumb hackers down. these companies have every right to not wanting people to pirate software. If someone doesnt feel the item is worth paying for then dont pay for it. pirating is theft no matter how you slice it. This group anonymous's cause is ridiculous and they are just trying to show how "powerful" they are because they are good with a computer.

Then i must be the greatest thief there ever was/is.

thats just sad

 

unfortunate how common it is for people to believe this is ok.

so i take it that you believe that a maximum penalty of 5 years in prison for 10 pieces of music or movies is ok?

I'm afraid the world isn't as black-and-white as you'd like it to be.

so just cause the penalty is harsh its wrong? lol

In what way am i going to feel bad for someone who decides to steal a form of entertainment. I dont care if the penalty is death. Its not like they are stealing food to survive.

some people dont even serve 5 years for murder, these corporations rule the world and all they want is our money..if they could have their way we would all be in jail for not buying their products.

and so begins the policing of the internet, the last bastion of freedom for mankind.

Originally posted by mcburly

someone needs to take these dumb hackers down. these companies have every right to not wanting people to pirate software. If someone doesnt feel the item is worth paying for then dont pay for it. pirating is theft no matter how you slice it. This group anonymous's cause is ridiculous and they are just trying to show how "powerful" they are because they are good with a computer.

again, this SOPA will hurt more to the honest people than the pirates, 

getting music/movies on the internet will be possible wether you have SOPA or not

and honestly, i think having the possibility to pirate music helps the industry more than it hurts it

 it will make artists release quality stuff instead of the junk the music industry is releasing left and right (bieber, gaga are 2 examples)

i downloaded from napster (back when it was pirating, then limewire back when it wasnt riddles with shit) and now from torrents, music. and its because of that that the ARTIST has made so much money off me. i pirated  "enter sandman" from metallica, when i was 13 years old. i am now 26 and own their discography legitimately bought, AND i buy every new album they release blindly just because its Metallica (even if the album sucks like "st-anger")

i downloaded 1 x-mas song from justin bieber. and now i know im not going to buy anything from him because its total junk. 

so this way artists will make damn sure they release quality stuff to give an insentive to people to buy their stuff. 

so people who support SOPA, will get hit by anonymous? im on their side. 

besides, some of these "artists" have more money than some countries... so in all honesty when you compare the numbers of people who pirate 100% (meaning they download EVERYTHING without giing a penny to the artist) and the number of people who buy their stuff, (i dont have facts or numbers) it seems to me, that its not significant enough to hit the artists in the wallet.

i mean sure they will have 4 hourses in stead of 5... and 5 cars instead of 8... 

Anonymous are twits.  While I dislike SOPA,  I dislike Anonymous even more at this point.  Dumping innocent peoples information shouldn't be praised.  Doesn't the concept go completely against what Anonymous values.  "We're Anonymous! Though we don't mind dumping your info for the world to see and use!." 

Look forward to seeing some more tools vanned.  Lulzsec thought they were invincible (Splinter group of Anonymous).  Majority of the key people have been picked up by the party wagons already.  Even Topiary who was on some no name remote island in the middle of no where.  Granted they haven't bagged Sabu yet. Kind of funny these guys think that their VPN's will keep them safe.  "Hello VPN company either give us what we want or you'll be charged too!" 
 

either they aleardy have them where they want them... Or they need sony to do something in order to complete their attack.  

either way good for them this piracy bullcrap is bad news. 

Originally posted by Puremallace
 No, this is about using music and movies as an excuse to gain control over public opinion on the internet. It's about being frightened that Fox Nooz junkies are starting to watch TV online (they can just right click and google our talking points?? what?? repetition is no longer effective?? the horros!). It's about not letting an organization's own documents be used to call them on their bullshit. It's about not letting our kids know there are any choices besides republican or democrat or that there was ever a time when you actually walked out of a store "owning" the music you just bought. It's about patching the leaks in their propaganda.

Actually, I don't think so. I'd say it's indeed all about a greedy copyright industry pushing their own agenda. They don't give a damn about what effects and consequences this will have, who may exploit it and the harm that may cause. All they care about is profit. And these days, abusing the government to make sure you earn lots of moneys seems easier than coming up with a good solution yourself.

Originally posted by Squal'Zell

again, this SOPA will hurt more to the honest people than the pirates, 

getting music/movies on the internet will be possible wether you have SOPA or not

and honestly, i think having the possibility to pirate music helps the industry more than it hurts it

 it will make artists release quality stuff instead of the junk the music industry is releasing left and right (bieber, gaga are 2 examples)

i downloaded from napster (back when it was pirating, then limewire back when it wasnt riddles with shit) and now from torrents, music. and its because of that that the ARTIST has made so much money off me. i pirated  "enter sandman" from metallica, when i was 13 years old. i am now 26 and own their discography legitimately bought, AND i buy every new album they release blindly just because its Metallica (even if the album sucks like "st-anger")

i downloaded 1 x-mas song from justin bieber. and now i know im not going to buy anything from him because its total junk. 

so this way artists will make damn sure they release quality stuff to give an insentive to people to buy their stuff. 

so people who support SOPA, will get hit by anonymous? im on their side. 

besides, some of these "artists" have more money than some countries... so in all honesty when you compare the numbers of people who pirate 100% (meaning they download EVERYTHING without giing a penny to the artist) and the number of people who buy their stuff, (i dont have facts or numbers) it seems to me, that its not significant enough to hit the artists in the wallet.

i mean sure they will have 4 hourses in stead of 5... and 5 cars instead of 8... 

 

IMO, this is like most gun control laws, it ends up hurting the law abiding citizen more. I mean if a criminal is going to go to a school and shoot a bunch of people do you really think he gives a flying ****** about it being a "no gun zone"...I mean really?

When DC outlawed guns crime rose like 20% a year...its just dumb,

Same goes for the pirating laws, do you think some dude in China really cares if there is a law in the US to stop him from torrenting a lady gaga album?

And I have copied software, but I deffinitly wouldn't call me a pirate, Yes I have made copies of music back in the CD days so I could listen to it in my car as well, Yes I copied multiple age of empires CD's so I could LAN with some friends. Yes I did buy a VHS to DVD burner so I could copy all of my movies to DVD... Am I a pirate? yes by words of the law I am.. Do I deserve to go to prison for 5-10? hell no.. Nore do I think that would stand up in a court of law.

musicians make their money from touring. most of the money from album sales goes to the vampire music labels. you want to rip these fat cats off because they are the scum of the earth. They can change the worlds mindset by deciding what kind of music is cool. burn these fuckers at every opportunity

Originally posted by Squal'Zell

again, this SOPA will hurt more to the honest people than the pirates, 

getting music/movies on the internet will be possible wether you have SOPA or not

and honestly, i think having the possibility to pirate music helps the industry more than it hurts it

 it will make artists release quality stuff instead of the junk the music industry is releasing left and right (bieber, gaga are 2 examples)

i downloaded from napster (back when it was pirating, then limewire back when it wasnt riddles with shit) and now from torrents, music. and its because of that that the ARTIST has made so much money off me. i pirated  "enter sandman" from metallica, when i was 13 years old. i am now 26 and own their discography legitimately bought, AND i buy every new album they release blindly just because its Metallica (even if the album sucks like "st-anger")

i downloaded 1 x-mas song from justin bieber. and now i know im not going to buy anything from him because its total junk. 

so this way artists will make damn sure they release quality stuff to give an insentive to people to buy their stuff. 

so people who support SOPA, will get hit by anonymous? im on their side. 

besides, some of these "artists" have more money than some countries... so in all honesty when you compare the numbers of people who pirate 100% (meaning they download EVERYTHING without giing a penny to the artist) and the number of people who buy their stuff, (i dont have facts or numbers) it seems to me, that its not significant enough to hit the artists in the wallet.

i mean sure they will have 4 hourses in stead of 5... and 5 cars instead of 8... 

 

if you d/loaded a justin beiber song you deserve life

Originally posted by Zadawn

Originally posted by mcburly

someone needs to take these dumb hackers down. these companies have every right to not wanting people to pirate software. If someone doesnt feel the item is worth paying for then dont pay for it. pirating is theft no matter how you slice it. This group anonymous's cause is ridiculous and they are just trying to show how "powerful" they are because they are good with a computer.

Then i must be the greatest thief there ever was/is.

Awesome.

Originally posted by mcburly

 

im against pirating and thats all. As someone who works within this industry, I am the one who gets screwed over by products getting stolen, pirated instead of being purchased. Its definitely not the big wigs. All they do is cut payroll if business is getting slow. Most if not all are pretty well off so if they so happen to go out of business, they will be fine.

 

I've lurked these forums for years, but this statement alone caused me to register & comment.

 

You're against piracy, but FOR hacking.  You have to be the biggest tool on the internet.

 

I don't think anyone on these boards is for piracy (or hacking for that matter), but the SOPA legislation goes SO far past that.  Our rights are getting stripped away a little at a time through legislation just like this.

 

"Ooh - our government is protecting us from pirates.  Yay!"  Ten years from now:  "What do you mean I have to enter my social security number to look it internet porn!?!  This is outrageous!  Down with the damn politicians!"

 

Where does it stop?  If you want piracy to end AND you work in the industry - FIGURE OUT A WAY TO STOP IT AND GET RICH!!!  DO NOT INFRINGE UPON MY RIGHTS!