I second this...

1. EA announced : 1 million accounts created.

- Now if i know anything about press releases, you always choose best words.

So if for example your horse comes at 9th place , you press release says : " Among 10 fastest "

So... 1 million is 1 million and not more than that.

2. One million at launch + christmas + Star Wars franchise = poor (just reminding you that Rift sold the same in first week)

3.Let say the sales double by some miracle , its still not even close to 150 millions invested *or more. And with 35% to Lucasarts...

The only one profiting here is Lucas,

Originally posted by youngkg

Lets use number we do know...EA/BW claimed they had over 1 million subs, not 2 million and not 1.5....over 1 million subs, they didnt specify that it was NA only so im gonna go ahead and assume they meant globaly if thats alright with you?

OK....so a budget nearing 150M....im gonna go with what "EA told its investors" if thats also ok with you?

Cool...so as soon as EA gets outta the red on production cost they have to dish out 35% to LA...We ok here? were still good right?

OK...By the time EA gets it money back this games not going to be nearly as profitable as it is now,case closed,end of story and if your gonna rebuttal on that last statement please do it in "is this game really that bad" thread, 

i dont care to get into a lightsaber duel with you guys, just stating my opinion that 35% is bad buisness and in retrospect very desperate of them just to have a wow counter which we all know it isnt...and to think they coulda done a mass effect mmo and not have been held at gunpoint every month by LA.

I agree that they should have gone for ME instead, or even better: Baldurs gate. 

And it wont be a cash cow the way Wow have been, but I honestly don't think any MMO ever will earn sums like that in the future. Not even Titan, only slim possibility is Wow 2.

But I do think they will get back the investment and some earnings never the less. It will surely take 2-3 years to get the money back, but MMOs are long term projects anyways.

EALouse were upset about losing his job due to incompetence of Mythic and EA, but TOR is a better game then he said it was. It wont be the next Wow but it will be larger than Rift (or whatever is the number 2 P2P game right now).

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Originally posted by youngkg

Lets use number we do know...EA/BW claimed they had over 1 million subs, not 2 million and not 1.5....over 1 million subs, they didnt specify that it was NA only so im gonna go ahead and assume they meant globaly if thats alright with you?

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Nope, it is not alright as this is crucial point.

All you could achieve here is to wage a state of the finance at the point of 2 days after launch which is very much meaningless.

Whether 35% dues are bad deal solely depends on their subscriber numbers after the development costs pays off.

As EA said, they consider SWTOR to be very profitable with 500k subs and 350k to 'break even'. Until any subscriber numbers are released after first 30 days, there is no point nor ground discussing the topic. And even then, all you could say will be whether current numbers met or not their expectations.

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Originally posted by Loke666

But I do think they will get back the investment and some earnings never the less. It will surely take 2-3 years to get the money back, but MMOs are long term projects anyways.

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Huh?

Just 2 days from launch they made at least 60M USD, which can be about half/third of their investments.

I do not know about you guys but I think the OPs name sez it all - FONY!

I dunno, I see the official news (see link below) and it sure doesn't look like its a flop to me. I mean I could agree with the OP if any of it was actually coming true the way they said it would. I guess I could look at all the opinions which had been said in forum posts over the years from people who didnt really know any facts, and base my facts off thier fact, which were based off the facts someone made up 2 weeks earlier to get a rise on an internet gaming forum. Nah..I'll stick with the real facts thank you.

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20111226005040/en/Momentum-Surges-Star-Wars-Republic-Holidays

Of course if you prefer forum goer facts, I personally killed 1.4 billion of those NPCs on Christmas Day, all by myself.

Originally posted by Lobotomist

I second this...

1. EA announced : 1 million accounts created.

- Now if i know anything about press releases, you always choose best words.

So if for example your horse comes at 9th place , you press release says : " Among 10 fastest "

So... 1 million is 1 million and not more than that.

 

2. One million at launch + christmas + Star Wars franchise = poor (just reminding you that Rift sold the same in first week)

 

3.Let say the sales double by some miracle , its still not even close to 150 millions invested *or more. And with 35% to Lucasarts...

The only one profiting here is Lucas,

Lol where do you get your information rift sold around 292k box copies in the first 10 weeks haha. http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales-data/49494/rift/ come on man atleast look up info before post random stuff haha. Actually don't stop making things up bro your posts are comdey gold!

Originally posted by Guileplayer

Originally posted by Lobotomist

I second this...

1. EA announced : 1 million accounts created.

- Now if i know anything about press releases, you always choose best words.

So if for example your horse comes at 9th place , you press release says : " Among 10 fastest "

So... 1 million is 1 million and not more than that.

 

2. One million at launch + christmas + Star Wars franchise = poor (just reminding you that Rift sold the same in first week)

 

3.Let say the sales double by some miracle , its still not even close to 150 millions invested *or more. And with 35% to Lucasarts...

The only one profiting here is Lucas,

Lol where do you get your information rift sold around 292k box copies in the first 10 weeks haha. http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales-data/49494/rift/ come on man atleast look up info before post random stuff haha. Actually don't stop making things up bro your posts are comdey gold!

ur link is just as good as xfire smart boy.

Originally posted by Honeymoon69

Originally posted by Guileplayer

Originally posted by Lobotomist

I second this...

1. EA announced : 1 million accounts created.

- Now if i know anything about press releases, you always choose best words.

So if for example your horse comes at 9th place , you press release says : " Among 10 fastest "

So... 1 million is 1 million and not more than that.

 

2. One million at launch + christmas + Star Wars franchise = poor (just reminding you that Rift sold the same in first week)

 

3.Let say the sales double by some miracle , its still not even close to 150 millions invested *or more. And with 35% to Lucasarts...

The only one profiting here is Lucas,

Lol where do you get your information rift sold around 292k box copies in the first 10 weeks haha. http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales-data/49494/rift/ come on man atleast look up info before post random stuff haha. Actually don't stop making things up bro your posts are comdey gold!

ur link is just as good as xfire smart boy.

 

Don't worry. I got this.

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/07/rift-approaching-the-one-million-sell-through-mark/2

Yeah, thats an article from June. Rift APPROACHING the one million sell through mark. Sell through means it was actually sold to a customer, not just to a retailer.  

Rift came out in March.  

Originally posted by dubyahite
Don't worry. I got this.

 

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/07/rift-approaching-the-one-million-sell-through-mark/2

 

Yeah, thats an article from June. Rift APPROACHING the one million sell through mark. Sell through means it was actually sold to a customer, not just to a retailer.  

 

Rift came out in March.  

logic and facts?

get the fuck out of here, this is a place to bash TOR and post hyperbole along with unsourced and false information!

Lets say, that EA Loco was right.  Let's go with his numbers and say that it cost $300 mil  to make Tor.  And that $299 mil was basically spent on voice actors.  Then lets also say that Tor will be the biggest flop and cluster human centipede that ever came down the pike.  Lets go further and say that in 6 months, it will be f2p with cash shops.  Does it make you giddy? Are you smiling like the Cheshire Cat?
 
Let us go further down the delusional rabbit hole then shall we?  After such a dismal failure, all future investors suddenly realize that backing any MMO is too damn risky, and thus not worth the trouble.  There goes backing for all the new little shineys on the horizon.  Anet, NCsoft, Turbine, Funcom, Trion, etc, etc.  I don't mention Blizzard cause well, they've made their money already, and can pretty much back themselves....unless Activision says no, then they too are screwed.  So there goes the MMO market budget, and thus, there goes the games on the MMO market, again except Blizzard, they have their money, sort of.

Now nobody can look for investors to develop the new Harry Potter MMO that all you sandboxers have been looking forward to, all you japanime fans might be spared, them developers make a game that has fuzzy cat eared dudes in thongs whose only point is to play some bastardization of volleyball and soccer, and you'll go apeshite over it and claim it as the best damn game to come out since that last one where the dudes had fuzzy dog ears...in thongs.

And so there it is, we're left with f2p cash shops, dudes with fuzzy cat ears and thongs, and WoW's next expansion, pokemon and Panda Express, fully voiced however, by Jack Black, cause well...it worked for Tor for 6 months.

Does that about sum up how it should go? I mean with all the leaps of *cough* logic *cough* happening, that's the only path it could go, and anyone who says otherwise is simply a fanboi hater who trolls, flame wars...or something...

/end rant
/Sarcasm = 0

It's the middle of my day, I haven't had coffee, and that's what this thread brought to mind.

Originally posted by Lobotomist

I second this...

1. EA announced : 1 million accounts created.

- Now if i know anything about press releases, you always choose best words.

So if for example your horse comes at 9th place , you press release says : " Among 10 fastest "

So... 1 million is 1 million and not more than that.

 

2. One million at launch + christmas + Star Wars franchise = poor (just reminding you that Rift sold the same in first week)

 

3.Let say the sales double by some miracle , its still not even close to 150 millions invested *or more. And with 35% to Lucasarts...

The only one profiting here is Lucas,

  Did you actually look up ANYTHING before you posted?

1)  It will be interesting to see updated figures.  On the 20th there were 24 servers at 'light'  Last night there were 7.  My guesses are as good as yours.

2)  Rift took 3 months to reach 1 million units sold (and that's a direct quote from the Trion team)

3)  LA gets nothing until the initial investment is recouped.  They don't 'profit' until EA/Bioware have paid off the expenses.

Originally posted by Blasphim

Lets say, that EA Loco was right.  Let's go with his numbers and say that it cost $300 mil  to make Tor.  And that $299 mil was basically spent on voice actors.  Then lets also say that Tor will be the biggest flop and cluster human centipede that ever came down the pike.  Lets go further and say that in 6 months, it will be f2p with cash shops.  Does it make you giddy? Are you smiling like the Cheshire Cat?
 
Let us go further down the delusional rabbit hole then shall we?  After such a dismal failure, all future investors suddenly realize that backing any MMO is too damn risky, and thus not worth the trouble.  There goes backing for all the new little shineys on the horizon.  Anet, NCsoft, Turbine, Funcom, Trion, etc, etc.  I don't mention Blizzard cause well, they've made their money already, and can pretty much back themselves....unless Activision says no, then they too are screwed.  So there goes the MMO market budget, and thus, there goes the games on the MMO market, again except Blizzard, they have their money, sort of.

Now nobody can look for investors to develop the new Harry Potter MMO that all you sandboxers have been looking forward to, all you japanime fans might be spared, them developers make a game that has fuzzy cat eared dudes in thongs whose only point is to play some bastardization of volleyball and soccer, and you'll go apeshite over it and claim it as the best damn game to come out since that last one where the dudes had fuzzy dog ears...in thongs.

And so there it is, we're left with f2p cash shops, dudes with fuzzy cat ears and thongs, and WoW's next expansion, pokemon and Panda Express, fully voiced however, by Jack Black, cause well...it worked for Tor for 6 months.

Does that about sum up how it should go? I mean with all the leaps of *cough* logic *cough* happening, that's the only path it could go, and anyone who says otherwise is simply a fanboi hater who trolls, flame wars...or something...

/end rant
/Sarcasm = 0

It's the middle of my day, I haven't had coffee, and that's what this thread brought to mind.

Can you tell me what the mmo with dudes with cat-ears and thongs is called?

Its relevant to my interests.

Originally posted by AdamTM

Originally posted by Blasphim

Lets say, that EA Loco was right.  Let's go with his numbers and say that it cost $300 mil  to make Tor.  And that $299 mil was basically spent on voice actors.  Then lets also say that Tor will be the biggest flop and cluster human centipede that ever came down the pike.  Lets go further and say that in 6 months, it will be f2p with cash shops.  Does it make you giddy? Are you smiling like the Cheshire Cat?
 
Let us go further down the delusional rabbit hole then shall we?  After such a dismal failure, all future investors suddenly realize that backing any MMO is too damn risky, and thus not worth the trouble.  There goes backing for all the new little shineys on the horizon.  Anet, NCsoft, Turbine, Funcom, Trion, etc, etc.  I don't mention Blizzard cause well, they've made their money already, and can pretty much back themselves....unless Activision says no, then they too are screwed.  So there goes the MMO market budget, and thus, there goes the games on the MMO market, again except Blizzard, they have their money, sort of.

Now nobody can look for investors to develop the new Harry Potter MMO that all you sandboxers have been looking forward to, all you japanime fans might be spared, them developers make a game that has fuzzy cat eared dudes in thongs whose only point is to play some bastardization of volleyball and soccer, and you'll go apeshite over it and claim it as the best damn game to come out since that last one where the dudes had fuzzy dog ears...in thongs.

And so there it is, we're left with f2p cash shops, dudes with fuzzy cat ears and thongs, and WoW's next expansion, pokemon and Panda Express, fully voiced however, by Jack Black, cause well...it worked for Tor for 6 months.

Does that about sum up how it should go? I mean with all the leaps of *cough* logic *cough* happening, that's the only path it could go, and anyone who says otherwise is simply a fanboi hater who trolls, flame wars...or something...

/end rant
/Sarcasm = 0

It's the middle of my day, I haven't had coffee, and that's what this thread brought to mind.

Can you tell me what the mmo with dudes with cat-ears and thongs is called?

Its relevant to my interests.

Second Life

Sociolotron

Utherverse

and, in certain circles, Red Light Center

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by AdamTM

Originally posted by Blasphim

Lets say, that EA Loco was right.  Let's go with his numbers and say that it cost $300 mil  to make Tor.  And that $299 mil was basically spent on voice actors.  Then lets also say that Tor will be the biggest flop and cluster human centipede that ever came down the pike.  Lets go further and say that in 6 months, it will be f2p with cash shops.  Does it make you giddy? Are you smiling like the Cheshire Cat?
 
Let us go further down the delusional rabbit hole then shall we?  After such a dismal failure, all future investors suddenly realize that backing any MMO is too damn risky, and thus not worth the trouble.  There goes backing for all the new little shineys on the horizon.  Anet, NCsoft, Turbine, Funcom, Trion, etc, etc.  I don't mention Blizzard cause well, they've made their money already, and can pretty much back themselves....unless Activision says no, then they too are screwed.  So there goes the MMO market budget, and thus, there goes the games on the MMO market, again except Blizzard, they have their money, sort of.

Now nobody can look for investors to develop the new Harry Potter MMO that all you sandboxers have been looking forward to, all you japanime fans might be spared, them developers make a game that has fuzzy cat eared dudes in thongs whose only point is to play some bastardization of volleyball and soccer, and you'll go apeshite over it and claim it as the best damn game to come out since that last one where the dudes had fuzzy dog ears...in thongs.

And so there it is, we're left with f2p cash shops, dudes with fuzzy cat ears and thongs, and WoW's next expansion, pokemon and Panda Express, fully voiced however, by Jack Black, cause well...it worked for Tor for 6 months.

Does that about sum up how it should go? I mean with all the leaps of *cough* logic *cough* happening, that's the only path it could go, and anyone who says otherwise is simply a fanboi hater who trolls, flame wars...or something...

/end rant
/Sarcasm = 0

It's the middle of my day, I haven't had coffee, and that's what this thread brought to mind.

Can you tell me what the mmo with dudes with cat-ears and thongs is called?

Its relevant to my interests.

Second Life

Sociolotron

Utherverse

and, in certain circles, Red Light Center

Amazing, thanks

Originally posted by AdamTM

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by AdamTM

Originally posted by Blasphim

Lets say, that EA Loco was right.  Let's go with his numbers and say that it cost $300 mil  to make Tor.  And that $299 mil was basically spent on voice actors.  Then lets also say that Tor will be the biggest flop and cluster human centipede that ever came down the pike.  Lets go further and say that in 6 months, it will be f2p with cash shops.  Does it make you giddy? Are you smiling like the Cheshire Cat?
 
Let us go further down the delusional rabbit hole then shall we?  After such a dismal failure, all future investors suddenly realize that backing any MMO is too damn risky, and thus not worth the trouble.  There goes backing for all the new little shineys on the horizon.  Anet, NCsoft, Turbine, Funcom, Trion, etc, etc.  I don't mention Blizzard cause well, they've made their money already, and can pretty much back themselves....unless Activision says no, then they too are screwed.  So there goes the MMO market budget, and thus, there goes the games on the MMO market, again except Blizzard, they have their money, sort of.

Now nobody can look for investors to develop the new Harry Potter MMO that all you sandboxers have been looking forward to, all you japanime fans might be spared, them developers make a game that has fuzzy cat eared dudes in thongs whose only point is to play some bastardization of volleyball and soccer, and you'll go apeshite over it and claim it as the best damn game to come out since that last one where the dudes had fuzzy dog ears...in thongs.

And so there it is, we're left with f2p cash shops, dudes with fuzzy cat ears and thongs, and WoW's next expansion, pokemon and Panda Express, fully voiced however, by Jack Black, cause well...it worked for Tor for 6 months.

Does that about sum up how it should go? I mean with all the leaps of *cough* logic *cough* happening, that's the only path it could go, and anyone who says otherwise is simply a fanboi hater who trolls, flame wars...or something...

/end rant
/Sarcasm = 0

It's the middle of my day, I haven't had coffee, and that's what this thread brought to mind.

Can you tell me what the mmo with dudes with cat-ears and thongs is called?

Its relevant to my interests.

Second Life

Sociolotron

Utherverse

and, in certain circles, Red Light Center

Amazing, thanks

lol simply disturbing