Anyone notice how whatever piece of information there is.. haters will always see it as game isn't succesful and players of the game will see it as success?

It's quite interesting :)

(personally though, none of the gamers I know use xfire)

While I agree that few days of data doesn't necessarily mean a trend, I have to say, xfire is pretty accurate in these matters.

Just because OP is trying to prove his point of view, it doesn't mean xfire isn't relevant anymore. Age of Conan, Warhammer, Aion, xfire was always very accurate for those games.

Also, keep in mind, SW:TOR launched during christmas, holidays are notorious for screwing up statistics. So don't draw any conclusions and keep an eye it.

Edit: For those who're thinking Xfire represents the population scale of the gamers: It doesn't.

Xfire population statistics doesn't mean anything, it just shows what Xfire audiance is playing, and is very inaccurate for comparing population of players.

What its good at is, identifying and recording trends on individual game's playerbase. A major drop in EVE Online numbers means game lost a good chunk of its players, you can bet its a result of an impact of the playerbase of that game itself.

TL;DR

Don't compare the numbers for different games, take each games statistics individually.

I laughed at the part where he said xfire.

Originally posted by bdew

If you think that XFire are a valid method of determining relative game popularity... Then SW:TOR already has over 10M subs, as it took over WOW's third place already. With the servers being down. Good job bioware lol!

 

	GAME	MINUTES PLAYED
	League of Legends	806,067
	Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Multiplayer	775,032
	Star Wars: The Old Republic	641,579
	World of Warcraft	618,892

 

You mean even fewer people outside the West use Xfire?  ::gawk::

Your conclusion, drawn from the same suspect data, is also...inconclusive.  Round and round we go.

My problem with Xfire, at this point, is how often it's statistically mis-used.

Originally posted by Nickless_man

While I agree that few days of data doesn't necessarily mean a trend, I have to say, xfire is pretty accurate in these matters.

Just because OP is trying to prove his point of view, it doesn't mean xfire isn't relevant anymore. Age of Conan, Warhammer, Aion, xfire was always very accurate for those games.

Also, keep in mind, SW:TOR launched during christmas, holidays are notorious for screwing up statistics. So don't draw any conclusions and keep an eye it.

 

Edit: For those who're thinking Xfire represents the population scale of the gamers: It doesn't.

Xfire population statistics doesn't mean anything, it just shows what Xfire audiance is playing, and is very inaccurate for comparing population of players.

What its good at is, identifying and recording trends on individual game's playerbase. A major drop in EVE Online numbers means game lost a good chunk of its players, you can bet its a result of an impact of the playerbase of that game itself.

TL;DR

Don't compare the numbers for different games, take each games statistics individually.

 The thing I get from SWTOR's numbers is xfire users who play it rack up a redonkulous number of hours played. That of course won't last.

Originally posted by Icewhite

Originally posted by bdew

If you think that XFire are a valid method of determining relative game popularity... Then SW:TOR already has over 10M subs, as it took over WOW's third place already. With the servers being down. Good job bioware lol!

 

	GAME	MINUTES PLAYED
	League of Legends	806,067
	Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Multiplayer	775,032
	Star Wars: The Old Republic	641,579
	World of Warcraft	618,892

 

You mean even fewer people outside the West use Xfire?  ::gawk::

Your conclusion, drawn from the same suspect data, is also...inconclusive.  Round and round we go.

My problem with Xfire, at this point, is how often it's statistically mis-used.

 I think it was a joke. Made me chuckle anyway. Off to work.

Originally posted by tom_gore

Originally posted by onthestick

Originally posted by fony

yikes. same guys touting Xfire numbers the other day when their fav game was at 50% of WoW's users now say it don't matter.

And what makes you think people took that seriously? i am in gaming community which is 100 active members strong spread over 4 mmos and none of us ever used XFIRE. 

Me and my family, we don't use iPhones so it must mean nobody uses them. Where the fuck does Apple get all that money from?

 

Comparing profits from selling apple with xfire polls? 

So Xfire has a 20 million registered user base ? Every single registration over the last 8 years is still there in the Xfire database. Xfire is a free app, you have to register to use it. How many people try it and stop using it ? How many used it years ago and no longer bother for whatever reason ? These users don't "unregister" when they stop using Xfire, they just stop.

To determine the relevance of Xfire, you'd have to know how many CURRENTLY active users it has, and how many of them play MMO's regularly. Then you'd have to estimate the total MMO players in the world. Only then can the statistical relevance of Xfire be determined. Good luck with that :D

Lol the op honestly hates the game, and in many threads has said so.  So here we go again with the xfire numbers.  Rofl.

All I can say is I have an xfire account, and only used it like a month, nobody I know uses it because its a hunk of junk and it is a resource hog.

Anybody who uses xfire numbers to prove a point is just grabbing at straws.

I can say I experience ques almost every time I log in so somebody has to be playing the game.

I wonder at what point of this thread the OPs claim of "SWTOR has reached the peak number of players" turned into "Nobody is playing SWTOR anymore"...

Originally posted by tom_gore

I wonder at what point of this thread the OPs claim of "SWTOR has reached the peak number of players" turned into "Nobody is playing SWTOR anymore"...

 

Already happened in the week of pre start somebody started a thread that folks are canceling their subs. The op piled on that thread too.  At that point you could not even subscribe until you got your game codes. There would be no reason to even subscribe until your fee 30 days are up.

I just find all the hate aimed at this game to be funny, just wait for gw2 to come out the some folks will be tearing it up and complaining on how bad it is.  Then youhave to realize its not the game its the person.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by onthestick

Originally posted by Vhaln

A few days isn't a trend.  I know, we're all dying to say "I told you so!" but really need to wait a month at least, to see any real indication of the game popularity increasing, decreasing, or even leveling off.  Three months to be sure it won't turn around, and six months before it'll really be indisputable.

Really people actually wait for that? makes me just sad thinking about the mentality some people have.

Why? The game is a shallow Themepark and there are a lot of us who are tired of lack of innovation in the genre. A failure on SW:TOR would give a signal to the industry that they cannot copy paste game mechanics and need to start thinking outside of the box.

You can keep hoping but I am afraid TOR will be a success. It will lose its share of wowtards and mmo tourists, but it will retain enough subs to be succesful and grow, because it's a great game

And no, I am sorry, no one cares about XFIRE.

Also, if yopu don't understand by now that what people want and what YOU want aren't even remotely the same thing, I really have little hope you will ever

PS

Hoping a game fails because you don't like it it's childish and so disqualifies any of your opinions. Really sad

Originally posted by sgel

Anyone notice how whatever piece of information there is.. haters will always see it as game isn't succesful and players of the game will see it as success?

It's quite interesting :)

(personally though, none of the gamers I know use xfire)

Some people have nothing better in life than trolling forums, hoping a game dies so they can gloat.

They are mostly children (even if they are 20+ years old...), it's a side effect of the disgregation of our society, bad  or absent parenting and trash TV

Originally posted by bdew

If you think that XFire are a valid method of determining relative game popularity... Then SW:TOR already has over 10M subs, as it took over WOW's third place already. With the servers being down. Good job bioware lol!

 

	GAME	MINUTES PLAYED
	League of Legends	806,067
	Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Multiplayer	775,032
	Star Wars: The Old Republic	641,579
	World of Warcraft	618,892

 

LOL yeah, XFIRE what a...tool

BTW taking over WoW isn't really difficult, you have to understand that into those mythical 10MIL they fit anyone who like me, for example, got hold of a cheap 60 days card and spent little more than a month levelling an alt. Not to mention the 6+ MIL of chinese that might have played a total of 40 hours in the whole year. The people who pay more than 6 months are a lot less. Why you think they were giving away D3 to anyone who would subscribe for a whole year??

Originally posted by muthax

 

BTW taking over WoW isn't really difficult, you have to understand that into those mythical 10MIL they fit anyone who like me, for example, got hold of a cheap 60 days card and spent little more than a month levelling an alt. Not to mention the 6+ MIL of chinese that might have played a total of 40 hours in the whole year. The people who pay more than 6 months are a lot less. Why you think they were giving away D3 to anyone who would subscribe for a whole year??

True, BUT they give Diablo 3 away for "free" (obviously not free but nvm) cause this will EARN them money from RMAH :)

More players playing = more money from RMAH even if just some % will use it.

One of reason (amongst many gameplay / graphic style ones) that I will not touch D3 with 3 meters long stick, even though I loved D1.

Oh dear, not Yamota bashing SWTOR yet again......yawn. Move along folks, nothing to see here.

Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by muthax

 

BTW taking over WoW isn't really difficult, you have to understand that into those mythical 10MIL they fit anyone who like me, for example, got hold of a cheap 60 days card and spent little more than a month levelling an alt. Not to mention the 6+ MIL of chinese that might have played a total of 40 hours in the whole year. The people who pay more than 6 months are a lot less. Why you think they were giving away D3 to anyone who would subscribe for a whole year??

True, BUT they give Diablo 3 away for "free" (obviously not free but nvm) cause this will EARN them money from RMAH :)

 

More players playing = more money from RMAH even if just some % will use it.

 

One of reason (amongst many gameplay / graphic style ones) that I will not touch D3 with 3 meters long stick, even though I loved D1.

I don't agree (on the reason to give it free, I agree with the RMAH stuff though, you are right). They didn't need to give it away free because a lot of people are waiting for it, it's gonna have massive sales. They gave it away because so for the next 12 months they can show subs number even though those people maybe aren't playing at all. It's insurance. if the numbers start to fall, the markets will notice and ActiBlizzard stock could take a hit. it laready did when the ysaid they lost 2 millions of players

Originally posted by albaficass

EXACTLY and not to forget aion is ncsoft=korean=auto fail from the start

How is it that people can say crap like this so unashamedly?  Racist overtones aside, its still a ridiculous generalization.

Originally posted by erictlewis

Originally posted by tom_gore

I wonder at what point of this thread the OPs claim of "SWTOR has reached the peak number of players" turned into "Nobody is playing SWTOR anymore"...

 

Already happened in the week of pre start somebody started a thread that folks are canceling their subs. The op piled on that thread too.  At that point you could not even subscribe until you got your game codes. There would be no reason to even subscribe until your fee 30 days are up.

I just find all the hate aimed at this game to be funny, just wait for gw2 to come out the some folks will be tearing it up and complaining on how bad it is.  Then youhave to realize its not the game its the person.

 

 

I don't understand why people don't seek personal help or therapy instead of doing this. But then again, The Jerry Springer Show used to be a huge success in the States....