In regards to the content problem, I hope they focus more on the repeatable content, instead of one off content like laugable storylines or dungeons for gears.

Look at League of Legends for example, it only have 2 maps, but with so many heroes, the variety is much higher and every battle feels fresh and different.

I hope they try to to include more power sets/classes, because if done right, they provide much more replayability and content into a game then just another dungeons or another set of quest. 

A balance of both will be awesome.

Originally posted by Otakun

Saving Space. yes people can do this...

The political system is pointless to most unless you are a guild leader or going to PVP in battlegrounds all day. Even then, it's only worth it if you own the end game territory where everyone goes and spends their money.

The PvP rules changes basically allows max level people to do a quest so they can PvP other max level people with a drawback if you kill like 500 people without getting killed yourself. Seems useless to me.

i didn't know about the pvp change being.... well for lack of better words... dry....

yet I do agree with you that the politican system only works towards the guild leader. yet even the guild leader will need the help of the guild to keep there stand in power. keepinging majority vote in the public and gaining polotical points from the quest's that is offered to the guild leader.

it's super interesting to me that it's such a settle means of making guilds more active.

Originally posted by Otakun

Originally posted by free2play

There is a TV show in Canada called Lost Girl. The show was exclusive to Canada and gets between 600 and 700K viewers every week.

By US standards that's epic fail. According to Fox, Fringe at 4 million viewers doesn't earn prime time. Lost Girl on the other hand has more viewers than any other show in its group by Canadian standards.

So "Tera fail" is very much an Optic. Saying Tera fails using US projections in Korea is like saying Lost Girl failed. Unless you can show me other MMO's that launched in Korea alone that make Tera a failed launch, you are comparing apples to oranges.

If you are going to throw out an example to explain your silly argument then at least make sure to have all the facts involved to do so. TERA isn't considered fail cause of US projections. It's fail cause it's not doing well in comparison to the cost of it's production. They are only sticking to P2P cause they believe that western box sales will boost it's earnings which I highly doubt it will.

 Oh, the game was over budget. That's a good excuse to look down your nose at people and be rude and smug. Crawl back under your rock for 10 more years you immature freak of nature.

Originally posted by free2play

Originally posted by Otakun

Originally posted by free2play

There is a TV show in Canada called Lost Girl. The show was exclusive to Canada and gets between 600 and 700K viewers every week.

By US standards that's epic fail. According to Fox, Fringe at 4 million viewers doesn't earn prime time. Lost Girl on the other hand has more viewers than any other show in its group by Canadian standards.

So "Tera fail" is very much an Optic. Saying Tera fails using US projections in Korea is like saying Lost Girl failed. Unless you can show me other MMO's that launched in Korea alone that make Tera a failed launch, you are comparing apples to oranges.

If you are going to throw out an example to explain your silly argument then at least make sure to have all the facts involved to do so. TERA isn't considered fail cause of US projections. It's fail cause it's not doing well in comparison to the cost of it's production. They are only sticking to P2P cause they believe that western box sales will boost it's earnings which I highly doubt it will.

 Oh, the game was over budget. That's a good excuse to look down your nose at people and be rude and smug. Crawl back under your rock for 10 more years you immature freak of nature.

I wasn't looking down at anyone. Don't get your panties in a wad cause you don't know how to handle someone who actually does research into what they talk about before posting.  Your response only proves that you are the immature one, having to resort to name calling cause your faulty logic has failed you. Move along now before you make yourself look more like a child. Also, didn't say the game went over budget, I said the game didn't bring in as much in comparison to what it has spent to make it. That is not over budget. Going over budget means they spent more then they expected to during production which was never mentioned. If you are going to act like a fool by saying that I am looking down at you for some silly excuse at least get your terms right.

Originally posted by Otakun

Originally posted by free2play

Originally posted by Otakun

Originally posted by free2play

There is a TV show in Canada called Lost Girl. The show was exclusive to Canada and gets between 600 and 700K viewers every week.

By US standards that's epic fail. According to Fox, Fringe at 4 million viewers doesn't earn prime time. Lost Girl on the other hand has more viewers than any other show in its group by Canadian standards.

So "Tera fail" is very much an Optic. Saying Tera fails using US projections in Korea is like saying Lost Girl failed. Unless you can show me other MMO's that launched in Korea alone that make Tera a failed launch, you are comparing apples to oranges.

If you are going to throw out an example to explain your silly argument then at least make sure to have all the facts involved to do so. TERA isn't considered fail cause of US projections. It's fail cause it's not doing well in comparison to the cost of it's production. They are only sticking to P2P cause they believe that western box sales will boost it's earnings which I highly doubt it will.

 Oh, the game was over budget. That's a good excuse to look down your nose at people and be rude and smug. Crawl back under your rock for 10 more years you immature freak of nature.

I wasn't looking down at anyone. Don't get your panties in a wad cause you don't know how to handle someone who actually does research into what they talk about before posting.  Your response only proves that you are the immature one, having to resort to name calling cause your faulty logic has failed you. Move along now before you make yourself look more like a child. Also, didn't say the game went over budget, I said the game didn't bring in as much in comparison to what it has spent to make it. That is not over budget. Going over budget means they spent more then they expected to during production which was never mentioned. If you are going to act like a fool by saying that I am looking down at you for some silly excuse at least get your terms right.

 You are still doing it. You can't disagree with people without being a rude, anti social freak? You come on a forum and dictate the law, you are all wise and full of information and everyone else is an ignorant moron, then wonder why someone might snap at you? Go outside for a few minutes a day.

Read your own original reply to me. You are going to tell me it didn't stink of high browing? Why is so painfull to be polite on a forum?

On topic, if they made the game with a huge budget, do you really think the end publishing goal was exclusive to Korea or a closed server Japan? They were prototype launches. They planned from day one to release this game global. This is phase three of a 3 phase launch program. Costing after global release will make them money. I don't thinke BHS ever expected to make thier money back from Korea alone. There was never an audience in Korea to recover investments. Using my initial example, had the show Lost Girl spent 12 million per episode never planning to branch out beyond Canada then yes, that would make it a failure. Because the costs per episode were under 100K they make money witha  600K audience. You decided to not even see things from my point of view and went straight to belittlement. You got what you deserved. Cry moar.

I say let's have the players decide with their wallets people.  I've been reading the MMORPG forums for a long time, and there's been a huge outcry against WoW clones, and against mmos lacking polish, good graphics, and content.  Even after SW:TOR's release these players are still vocal, and if that's going to be the case in Spring 2012 then Tera still has a market to succeed.

If I had to sum of Tera in one sentence, it basically is an MMO that has all the features that I expect/demand a next-gen P2P MMO should have, without having to deal with a WoWish community, and it's got boobies.  A lot of people don't care about the last reason, but you'd be surprised at how many people do, and they have money too.

The only thing keeping this game from being a success, is literally En Masse/Frogster.  Little to no advertising of this game is going to hurt a lot because this game does not have an install base to work off of.  Secondly,  the release date is a problem.  March was a perfect time, there's no reason to push the release date of an already completed game back,further, and the later in Spring 2012 it's release, the less sales it's going to make.

WIll Tera fail in the west?  Maybe I'm mistaken but I've only heard of MMOs failing/dying because they just plain suck and/or have nothing new to offer the genre, and I've not heard from a single person that's played the game (recently) that has described it as such.  If Tera has a decent launch, and continues to add updates, and manages the servers population well, I don't see why it should fail in the west.

Originally posted by free2play

Why is so painfull to be polite on a forum?

Weird question from someone calling a quoted poster all sorts of names.

Originally posted by Netspook

Originally posted by free2play

Why is so painfull to be polite on a forum?

 

Weird question from someone calling a quoted poster all sorts of names.

 Read his original Quote. He came here looking for a fight, he got one. You are welcome to join in.

Originally posted by free2play

Originally posted by Otakun

Originally posted by free2play

Originally posted by Otakun

Originally posted by free2play

 You are still doing it. You can't disagree with people without being a rude, anti social freak? You come on a forum and dictate the law, you are all wise and full of information and everyone else is an ignorant moron, then wonder why someone might snap at you? Go outside for a few minutes a day.

Read your own original reply to me. You are going to tell me it didn't stink of high browing? Why is so painfull to be polite on a forum?

On topic, if they made the game with a huge budget, do you really think the end publishing goal was exclusive to Korea or a closed server Japan? They were prototype launches. They planned from day one to release this game global. This is phase three of a 3 phase launch program. Costing after global release will make them money. I don't thinke BHS ever expected to make thier money back from Korea alone. There was never an audience in Korea to recover investments. Using my initial example, had the show Lost Girl spent 12 million per episode never planning to branch out beyond Canada then yes, that would make it a failure. Because the costs per episode were under 100K they make money witha  600K audience. You decided to not even see things from my point of view and went straight to belittlement. You got what you deserved. Cry moar.

If you are concerned about someone acting "high brow" on the internet then you need to remember that the internet is full of random no name people who mean nothing to your normal day life and if you are bothered by how random guy talks to you then it seems that you are the one with the problem. Maybe you should look into that issue before posting again.

But on topic, your example makes no sense. The idea of being high budget and not making as much back as they assumed has nothing to do with future endeavors. They were forced to release early cause of investor reasons not cause of some simple idea of a "prototype launch". It's very self centered to think that everything is just for the 'global launch' and everything else is just testing. For one thing, there is no 'global launch'. There is a NA release and a EU release which are both seperate by 2 different publishers. By your example, then they would have never been forced to release early in Korea and in Japan and have a set date for the western release which there wasn't, it was pushed back cause they knew the product was not finished. I decided not to see things from your POV cause your POV is flawed and you are too short sighted to see cause there are other factors that you have not taken into account.

So, yeah, maybe you should spend a week or two to actual read up on what's going on with TERA instead of spouting off some crap about a lame TV show and act like the the production of some low budget TV show is the same as the production of the most expensive MMO ever developed in Korea.

Originally posted by free2play

Originally posted by Netspook

Originally posted by free2play

Why is so painfull to be polite on a forum?

 

Weird question from someone calling a quoted poster all sorts of names.

 Read his original Quote. He came here looking for a fight, he got one. You are welcome to join in.

I was just pointing out how you were acting. You were the one who took offense to it, so it was you who was looking for a fight.

Originally posted by Otakun

Originally posted by free2play

Originally posted by Otakun

Originally posted by free2play

Originally posted by Otakun

Originally posted by free2play

 You are still doing it. You can't disagree with people without being a rude, anti social freak? You come on a forum and dictate the law, you are all wise and full of information and everyone else is an ignorant moron, then wonder why someone might snap at you? Go outside for a few minutes a day.

Read your own original reply to me. You are going to tell me it didn't stink of high browing? Why is so painfull to be polite on a forum?

On topic, if they made the game with a huge budget, do you really think the end publishing goal was exclusive to Korea or a closed server Japan? They were prototype launches. They planned from day one to release this game global. This is phase three of a 3 phase launch program. Costing after global release will make them money. I don't thinke BHS ever expected to make thier money back from Korea alone. There was never an audience in Korea to recover investments. Using my initial example, had the show Lost Girl spent 12 million per episode never planning to branch out beyond Canada then yes, that would make it a failure. Because the costs per episode were under 100K they make money witha  600K audience. You decided to not even see things from my point of view and went straight to belittlement. You got what you deserved. Cry moar.

If you are concerned about someone acting "high brow" on the internet then you need to remember that the internet is full of random no name people who mean nothing to your normal day life and if you are bothered by how random guy talks to you then it seems that you are the one with the problem. Maybe you should look into that issue before posting again.

But on topic, your example makes no sense. The idea of being high budget and not making as much back as they assumed has nothing to do with future endeavors. They were forced to release early cause of investor reasons not cause of some simple idea of a "prototype launch". It's very self centered to think that everything is just for the 'global launch' and everything else is just testing. For one thing, there is no 'global launch'. There is a NA release and a EU release which are both seperate by 2 different publishers. By your example, then they would have never been forced to release early in Korea and in Japan and have a set date for the western release which there wasn't, it was pushed back cause they knew the product was not finished. I decided not to see things from your POV cause your POV is flawed and you are too short sighted to see cause there are other factors that you have not taken into account.

So, yeah, maybe you should spend a week or two to actual read up on what's going on with TERA instead of spouting off some crap about a lame TV show and act like the the production of some low budget TV show is the same as the production of the most expensive MMO ever developed in Korea.

 I still don't see this as a failure in Korea and the reasoning is given. I do respect that forums are inadequate in some ways and flame wars rise up over how something is interpreted and it's usually a false interpreting. I find a forum is like a bar. I never go in with an expactation. We might all sit there and laugh, get drunk and go home or we might end up beating beer bottles over each others heads. When the latter happens, you either leave or start swinging.

I still can't see EME putting huge amounts of money in to Tera for a Korean only launch. South Korea only has 50 million people. There simply is not a big enough population there to justify it. Releasing it early would give them a public audience and a working subscription base to see where they needed to finish and what was acceptable. They can only simulate so much during production. At some point they need to release to fix thier mistakes. It would suck to be South Korean and to have purchased Tera to open beta test it but I think that's what they did really.

Originally posted by free2play

Originally posted by Otakun

Originally posted by free2play

Originally posted by Otakun

Originally posted by free2play

Originally posted by Otakun

Originally posted by free2play

 You are still doing it. You can't disagree with people without being a rude, anti social freak? You come on a forum and dictate the law, you are all wise and full of information and everyone else is an ignorant moron, then wonder why someone might snap at you? Go outside for a few minutes a day.

Read your own original reply to me. You are going to tell me it didn't stink of high browing? Why is so painfull to be polite on a forum?

On topic, if they made the game with a huge budget, do you really think the end publishing goal was exclusive to Korea or a closed server Japan? They were prototype launches. They planned from day one to release this game global. This is phase three of a 3 phase launch program. Costing after global release will make them money. I don't thinke BHS ever expected to make thier money back from Korea alone. There was never an audience in Korea to recover investments. Using my initial example, had the show Lost Girl spent 12 million per episode never planning to branch out beyond Canada then yes, that would make it a failure. Because the costs per episode were under 100K they make money witha  600K audience. You decided to not even see things from my point of view and went straight to belittlement. You got what you deserved. Cry moar.

If you are concerned about someone acting "high brow" on the internet then you need to remember that the internet is full of random no name people who mean nothing to your normal day life and if you are bothered by how random guy talks to you then it seems that you are the one with the problem. Maybe you should look into that issue before posting again.

But on topic, your example makes no sense. The idea of being high budget and not making as much back as they assumed has nothing to do with future endeavors. They were forced to release early cause of investor reasons not cause of some simple idea of a "prototype launch". It's very self centered to think that everything is just for the 'global launch' and everything else is just testing. For one thing, there is no 'global launch'. There is a NA release and a EU release which are both seperate by 2 different publishers. By your example, then they would have never been forced to release early in Korea and in Japan and have a set date for the western release which there wasn't, it was pushed back cause they knew the product was not finished. I decided not to see things from your POV cause your POV is flawed and you are too short sighted to see cause there are other factors that you have not taken into account.

So, yeah, maybe you should spend a week or two to actual read up on what's going on with TERA instead of spouting off some crap about a lame TV show and act like the the production of some low budget TV show is the same as the production of the most expensive MMO ever developed in Korea.

 I still don't see this as a failure in Korea and the reasoning is given. I do respect that forums are inadequate in some ways and flame wars rise up over how something is interpreted and it's usually a false interpreting. I find a forum is like a bar. I never go in with an expactation. We might all sit there and laugh, get drunk and go home or we might end up beating beer bottles over each others heads. When the latter happens, you either leave or start swinging.

I still can't see EME putting huge amounts of money in to Tera for a Korean only launch. South Korea only has 50 million people. There simply is not a big enough population there to justify it. Releasing it early would give them a public audience and a working subscription base to see where they needed to finish and what was acceptable. They can only simulate so much during production. At some point they need to release to fix thier mistakes. It would suck to be South Korean and to have purchased Tera to open beta test it but I think that's what they did really.

In Korea, you don't buy a box product. Alls you do is make an account and pay for the sub. Anyone could play the open beta for free, like I did. Success in Korea is not rated on box sales or sub numbers. It's rated on hours played a month. This is why I mention about doing your research.

i doubt it will be better here!in korea they got a good reason to frown upon tera the dev from l3 .korean never swallowedd that one here either ,also here we re used to wow quality and with 64 bit wow near!it wont help other game quality in therm of graphic will be going up for lot of user who had to compromise because their gear was 64 bit but wow was 32!.

Even though the graphics are high end, this game runs very well on my PC, whereas I was having problems running games like Rift at max settings.  Tera will be able to run on most PCs, and if lag is the issue make sure that you are playing on your appropriate server when the game launches.

If the game is good, I'll still buy it, then treat it like Skyrim and play it as open world adventure with nice combat system for a month.

Whats the big deal?

Oh this is the internet.

Originally posted by xKingdomx

If the game is good, I'll still buy it, then treat it like Skyrim and play it as open world adventure with nice combat system for a month.

Whats the big deal?

Oh this is the internet.

Never said the game was good. Even so, it's not worth full box price + sub fee. That is my point which has nothing to do with being on the internet. =P

5 copies!!

I gonna has 5 copies!!!

Elin runnin around in they undies everywhere!

Giggity, giggity, goo!!

Why? Cuz I can, thas why! Wahoo

The only real problem is it needs far to long to come out in the West. Most ppl that were hype back expected it to release Early 2011 at last and now its 2012 . SWTOR and GW2 are now the hype train.

Did anyone check the subscription prices they were offering? Too many factors made "Tera" fall in the East. Practically, I think the game lacked any content and creativity that would help it succeed in either or market. The game maybe a beautiful piece of artwork, but what about everything else? We will see what this game has to offer soon enough.

A thing i'm really sure about this game, stupid censorship apart, in the fact that it will not last long with the P2P model in the west with games like GW2 that are completely free with more content.
Tera should be a B2P game from the start, this is the only way to keep people play it in the long run considering this game is mainly a PVE themepark based on BG and boss hunting (yea i know there is a dedicated PvP server in the west but i have doubt that the rulesets will be so different since the game is designed around pve).

2012 will be an amazing year for next-gen mmorpgs.