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12/25/11 6:07:41 AM#21
Originally posted by Thillian
Originally posted by dubyahite
Originally posted by Thillian

Again, thank you for the imbd link, that just clears it perfectly.

Lead Writer -- Daniel Erikson -  two registered items on imdb - SWTOR and Dragon Age.

Senior Writer - Hall Hood - One item on imdb - SWTOR

Senior Writer - Alex Freed - One item on imdb - SWTOR

Last Senior Writer - Drew Karpyshin - SWTOR and Mass Effect 1 and assistance on Dragon Age.

Then about 10 regular writers with a single history on imdb - SWTOR.

 

Whereas voice actors are coming from top industry - that dubbed dozens of films, even holywood films and series. If they have wanted they could hire top quality story writers coming from films or books or theater industry. But no, their senior and lead writers and obviously, other regular writers, are inexperienced people in story-writing for video games and/or films with no recorded history on imdb whatsoever. You're saying they wrote a comic book? Or were writing for a SF magazine? Well, is that a proper qualification for 130$ mil project?

 

 

The OP said that they weren't professional writers. Very clearly stated that. Again, IMDB doesn't report on very many forms of writing.

 

These people are in fact professional writers. Many of them have written BOOKS.  I linked them up there. Are you saying that authors are not professional writers?  

 

Are comic book writers not professional writers?

 

I'm really surprised to see you make that argument. Who are you to say that someone who went to college for creative writing, wrote a bunch of books, and got a job at Bioware writing is not a professional writer. 

 

This is just blowing my mind right now that you are making this argument. 

 

 

I'm not debating the quality of their previous work. That's not what's at issue here. The OP claimed they didn't spend a penny on professional writers. That is very clearly wrong.

If you get a degree in writing, then make your living by writing, you are a freaking professional writer.  

Last resort is to get ahold of one word and stick to it until the final end. How do you know they have a degree in writing, and make a living? Just because they wrote a comic book, doesn't mean they actually made money of it.  I know a couple of people that write stories for a SF magazine, yet they hardly would call themselves professional writers. You're not debating the quality of their previous work? I am. And you're in my thread.

In my OP I said "they didnt spend a single penny on professional writers" - they hired people with no history on IMDB whatsoever and made them lead writers and senior writers --- i.e. they were not professional writers before. SWTOR was possibly their first professional contract in this industry.

So what? Everyone starts from somewhere. Basically you cannot find anything else to fuel your hatered and you come out with pure nonsense? :)

  Thillian

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OP  12/25/11 6:13:21 AM#22
Originally posted by Timukas
Originally posted by Thillian
Originally posted by dubyahite

 

 

In my OP I said "they didnt spend a single penny on professional writers" - they hired people with no history on IMDB whatsoever and made them lead writers and senior writers --- i.e. they were not professional writers before. SWTOR was possibly their first professional contract in this industry.

So what? Everyone starts from somewhere. Basically you cannot find anything else to fuel your hatered and you come out with pure nonsense? :)

You mean, saying the story is amateurish and backing it up with the imdb history, which shows that most of the SWTOR writers have no history in this industry, is hatred and pure nonsense?

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  dubyahite

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12/25/11 6:13:29 AM#23
Originally posted by Thillian
Originally posted by dubyahite
Originally posted by Thillian

 

 

 

The OP said that they weren't professional writers. Very clearly stated that. Again, IMDB doesn't report on very many forms of writing.

 

These people are in fact professional writers. Many of them have written BOOKS.  I linked them up there. Are you saying that authors are not professional writers?  

 

Are comic book writers not professional writers?

 

I'm really surprised to see you make that argument. Who are you to say that someone who went to college for creative writing, wrote a bunch of books, and got a job at Bioware writing is not a professional writer. 

 

This is just blowing my mind right now that you are making this argument. 

 

 

I'm not debating the quality of their previous work. That's not what's at issue here. The OP claimed they didn't spend a penny on professional writers. That is very clearly wrong.

If you get a degree in writing, then make your living by writing, you are a freaking professional writer.  

Last resort is to get ahold of one word and stick to it until the final end. How do you know they have a degree in writing, and make a living? Just because they wrote a comic book, doesn't mean they actually made money of it.  I know a couple of people that write stories for a SF magazine, yet they hardly would call themselves professional writers. You're not debating the quality of their previous work? I am. And you're in my thread.

In my OP I said "they didnt spend a single penny on professional writers" - they hired people with no history on IMDB whatsoever and made them lead writers and senior writers --- i.e. they were not professional writers before. SWTOR was possibly their first professional contract in this industry.

You didn't read the post I made with links to the books that they have written. With a link on the dragon age wiki that states that Mary Kirby has a degree in creative writing.  

 

At this point, you don't even have the faintest idea what you are talking about.  

 

IMDB is not the source to go to when looking for a writer's experience unless it's TV or movie related.  Simple as that. 

 

The people I linked are real, full fledged, published authors. You obviously didn't even read my post or follow the links.  You're the one asking for proof. I gave it to you. 

 

You're clinging to the IMDB thing too much. Again IMDB DOESN'T TRACK MOST FORMS OF WRITTEN MEDIA.

 

These people didn't write for some stupid sitcom that got canceled after a year so IMDB doesn't have info on them. These people are authors, comic book writers, college graduates, and their profession is writing. 

 

If your PROFESSION is WRITING, then you are in fact a PROFESSIONAL WRITER.

 

This is the dumbest argument I have ever been in. Good night. 

 

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OP  12/25/11 6:16:57 AM#24

IMDB does track video games media and films media. SWTOR is a video game with strong emphasis ont cut-scenes, trying to create a film-like experience. Majority of the SWTOR writers have no history recorded on imdb, therefore, SWTOR is possibly their first professional contract in this industry. It doesn't matter if they wrote 5 comics and 3 novels for a SF magazine, SWTOR is not a magazine or a comic book. 

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  dubyahite

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12/25/11 6:18:13 AM#25
Originally posted by Thillian
Originally posted by dubyahite
Originally posted by Thillian

Again, thank you for the imbd link, that just clears it perfectly.

Lead Writer -- Daniel Erikson -  two registered items on imdb - SWTOR and Dragon Age.

Senior Writer - Hall Hood - One item on imdb - SWTOR

Senior Writer - Alex Freed - One item on imdb - SWTOR

Last Senior Writer - Drew Karpyshin - SWTOR and Mass Effect 1 and assistance on Dragon Age.

Then about 10 regular writers with a single history on imdb - SWTOR.

 

Whereas voice actors are coming from top industry - that dubbed dozens of films, even holywood films and series. If they have wanted they could hire top quality story writers coming from films or books or theater industry. But no, their senior and lead writers and obviously, other regular writers, are inexperienced people in story-writing for video games and/or films with no recorded history on imdb whatsoever. You're saying they wrote a comic book? Or were writing for a SF magazine? Well, is that a proper qualification for 130$ mil project?

 

 

The OP said that they weren't professional writers. Very clearly stated that. Again, IMDB doesn't report on very many forms of writing.

 

These people are in fact professional writers. Many of them have written BOOKS.  I linked them up there. Are you saying that authors are not professional writers?  

 

Are comic book writers not professional writers?

 

I'm really surprised to see you make that argument. Who are you to say that someone who went to college for creative writing, wrote a bunch of books, and got a job at Bioware writing is not a professional writer. 

 

This is just blowing my mind right now that you are making this argument. 

 

 

I'm not debating the quality of their previous work. That's not what's at issue here. The OP claimed they didn't spend a penny on professional writers. That is very clearly wrong.

If you get a degree in writing, then make your living by writing, you are a freaking professional writer.  

 

In my OP I said "they didnt spend a single penny on professional writers" - they hired people with no history on IMDB whatsoever and made them lead writers and senior writers --- i.e. they were not professional writers before. SWTOR was possibly their first professional contract in this industry.

Um...what? You're just making stuff up now. You're not even reading the links that you are providing as evidence.

All of the senior or lead writers besided alex freed, and hall hood have worked on previous bioware games, and alex freed has written several books and comic books for bioware set in the TOR timeline. 

 

Mary Kirby http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3682212/

Daniel Erickson http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3699178/

Jennifer Helper http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1639951/

Drew Karpyshyn: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1891010/

Alex Freed hasn't worked on any games but he has written several books for Bioware and comic books IN THE OLD REPUBLIC UNIVERSE.

The only senior writer I can't find anything on is Hall Hood 

 

Oh yeah, those SWTOR books by Freed, yeah that's canon. Liscensed by LA. 

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OP  12/25/11 6:19:34 AM#26

Close your eyes, control your breath, count to ten. And read again my previous post.

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12/25/11 6:23:15 AM#27
Originally posted by Thillian

Close your eyes, control your breath, count to ten. And read again my previous post.

You mean the post that said all of their senior writers had no history on IMDB whatsoever?  Oh that would be the post I just quoted while posting links to their histories on IMDB right? Got it. 

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12/25/11 6:23:33 AM#28


Originally posted by Thillian

How do you know they have a degree in writing, and make a living?

And how do you know they don't?

Just because something isn't on IMDB does not imply more than it is not on IMDB.

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OP  12/25/11 6:27:58 AM#29
Originally posted by dubyahite
Originally posted by Thillian

Close your eyes, control your breath, count to ten. And read again my previous post.

You mean the post that said all of their senior writers had no history on IMDB whatsoever?  Oh that would be the post I just quoted while posting links to their histories on IMDB right? Got it. 

Here's the summary extracted from my previous post.

 

Lead Writer -- Daniel Erikson -  two registered items on imdb - SWTOR and Dragon Age.

Senior Writer - Hall Hood - One item on imdb - SWTOR

Senior Writer - Alex Freed - One item on imdb - SWTOR

Last Senior Writer - Drew Karpyshin - SWTOR and Mass Effect 1 and assistance on Dragon Age.

Then about 10 regular writers with a single history on imdb - SWTOR.

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12/25/11 6:34:29 AM#30
Originally posted by Thillian
Originally posted by dubyahite
Originally posted by Thillian

Close your eyes, control your breath, count to ten. And read again my previous post.

You mean the post that said all of their senior writers had no history on IMDB whatsoever?  Oh that would be the post I just quoted while posting links to their histories on IMDB right? Got it. 

Here's the summary extracted from my previous post.

 

Lead Writer -- Daniel Erikson -  two registered items on imdb - SWTOR and Dragon Age.

Senior Writer - Hall Hood - One item on imdb - SWTOR

Senior Writer - Alex Freed - One item on imdb - SWTOR

Last Senior Writer - Drew Karpyshin - SWTOR and Mass Effect 1 and assistance on Dragon Age.

Then about 10 regular writers with a single history on imdb - SWTOR.

Wrong again.

 

Jennifer Helper - Senior Writer Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, SWTOR  (How many years of professional writing is that?)

 

Mary Kirby - DA:O,  DA: 2, SWTOR

Neil Pollner Mass Effect 3, SWTOR

Chris Helper - Mass Effect 2

 

Also you left out some of Karpyshin's work:

Mass Effect 1, Mass Effect 2, Jade Empire, NWN, KoTOR

 

You have no idea what the background of the rest of those writers is.  IMDB doesn't tell you. 

 

You're still completely wrong. I'm going to bed. 

 

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12/25/11 6:36:36 AM#31

epic thread.

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OP  12/25/11 6:37:29 AM#32
Originally posted by SanHor

Poor team really. Appart from few names involved as assisstant writers for ME or DA:O no one has any projects in the past. I find that hard to believe after so much money spent in development. Wasn't the story the main selling point of this game?

I guess they just assessed that good voice acting will suffice to hide the lack of quality in story in the eyes of their expected audience.

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OP  12/25/11 6:38:44 AM#33
Originally posted by dubyahite
 

 

You're still completely wrong. I'm going to bed. 

 

You're saying that for the fourth time now, frankly I begin to like your style.

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12/25/11 6:40:50 AM#34


Originally posted by Precusor
epic thread.

Yeah, epicness goes usually hand in hand with site moderation. Hopefully it will come soon...

  dubyahite

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12/25/11 6:42:00 AM#35
Originally posted by Thillian
Originally posted by dubyahite
 

 

You're still completely wrong. I'm going to bed. 

 

You're saying that for the fourth time now, frankly I begin to like your style.

Yeah I have to backtrack on the bed thing again. 

 

Found Hall Hood's LinkedIn profile for ya. Hope she doesn't mind.  http://www.linkedin.com/pub/hall-hood/5/47a/799

 

Hall Hood's Experience

Senior Writer
BioWare Austin
Public Company; 501-1000 employees; ERTS; Computer Games industry
 
May 2006 – Present (5 years 8 months)

Creating stories, characters, quests and dialogue for the Jedi Knight and Smuggler classes, as well as multiplayer content and many other written components of the game's design. Additional duties include developing marketing materials, critiquing other writers' creative output, mentoring junior members of the writing staff and directly interacting with BioWare's fans.
Adjunct Faculty


Austin Community College
Educational Institution; 1001-5000 employees; Higher Education industry
January 2010 – June 2011 (1 year 6 months)

Teaching "Introduction to Game Development" and "Interactive Writing" courses for the Game Design Specialization degree plan.
 
Head Writer
Creative Projects, Inc.
October 1993 – December 2005 (12 years 3 months)

In-house creative development and author of numerous feature film and television projects.

 

Contract Writer, Ultima 2 Online MMO

Electronic Arts

Public Company; 5001-10,000 employees; ERTS; Computer Games industry
October 2000 – December 2000 (3 months)

 
 
Hall Hood's Education

The University of Texas at Austin
B.S., Radio-Television-Film
1988 – 1992

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  ghost047

Advanced Member

Joined: 5/17/05
Posts: 608

Why worry about life, you won''t survive it anyway!

12/25/11 6:43:46 AM#36
Originally posted by Thillian

IMDB does track video games media and films media. SWTOR is a video game with strong emphasis ont cut-scenes, trying to create a film-like experience. Majority of the SWTOR writers have no history recorded on imdb, therefore, SWTOR is possibly their first professional contract in this industry. It doesn't matter if they wrote 5 comics and 3 novels for a SF magazine, SWTOR is not a magazine or a comic book. 

So what I understand is, when Stephen King tells a movie studio and says, I will right the movie of my next book adaptation, the studio will ell him, sorry Mr King, you are not a professional writer because you never wrote a movie, tv show or some quest in a video game...laughable...go back to bed as you clearly have no idea what it takes to be a professional writer.

Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!

  scotty899

Novice Member

Joined: 1/01/06
Posts: 173

12/25/11 6:44:01 AM#37

mate you need a hug.

i like swtor alot and it sounds like you need a breather from mmo's all together. have a beer and play something that you like.

 

get some christmas cheer up ya!

  Normike

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Joined: 6/24/07
Posts: 440

12/25/11 6:45:43 AM#38

Writing for a video game is different than writing a book, a comic, a tv show. The dialogue to me sounds deep, complex, and long enough to be interesting but light and superficial enough to fit comfortably in the game atmosphere. The actors sound believable saying their lines. What else is needed? War and Peace?

 

I read plenty of fiction, non-fiction, and like different styles of writing. And I don't notice anything out of place with SWTOR... Is your critique for real? It sounds like you're describing any MMO on the market, except this one has a voiced story. But you're saying you want to skip the story... Um, you know it's an MMO RPG (role playing game) right? The main attraction of SWTOR is the cinematic story, the side meal is the standard MMO quest mechanics.

 

A few things:

-if someone wins a conversation roll in dialogue, they automatically get a very low roll at the next opportunity. More chances for everyone to get something to say.

-There are four different body types.

-You do control your character in dialogue cutscenes. But it's dialogue... There's no backflips, cartwheels, or barrel rolls in dialogue. How is dialogue taking control away from your character? In most MMOs when you get on transportation, it's taking control away from you to achieve a purpose, which is transportation. The same with dialogue.

 

I don't know whether to believe this is an actual review or a joke. I wonder how other MMOs would compare with this review lol. But you could call me biased, because I'm actually enjoying SWTOR. And once you go voiced, you don't go back.

  User Deleted
12/25/11 6:48:43 AM#39
Originally posted by Thillian

Day 1 Appalling

Appalling character models, looking like aliens from x-file, slim and long legs and arms, extremly silly looking faces, cartoony even, mixed with a bit Asian style. I began to skip cut-scenes and dialogues during the fourth quest already. For me playing a game means - interacting and controling my character. The dialogue and cut-scene system KEEPS taking off the control of my character and make me watch some laughable cut-scenes, which Uwe Boll could write better. Afterall, even the worst film writer/director is still better than the best IT programmer. Funny they spent all this milions on professional voice actors, yet not a single penny on professional story writers. (thanks to further imdb demonstration - majority of their writers, including senior writers and lead writers, have no history on IMDB whatsoever, i.e. SWTOR is possibly their first professional contract in this industry).

The camera is messed up and clunky, the turning is too fast, and reducing sensitivity makes the mouse too slow in menus. Apparently, the automatic camera rotation (to the center behind the back of the character) can't be turned off in options, I'm limited to 4 ability bars, graphic options are limited to "textures, resolutions, shadows", UI is immovable and fixed on place,  the technical side Is simply appalling and clunky. Is this supposed to be AAA title?

 

Day 2 Abysmal

Tried my first Flashpoint. Ran it through in two people with no problems, even though it was recommended to have 4. In my manio-cut-scene skipping and dialogues-fast-forwarding, I was limited by my group partner, since our dialogues had to be synchronized. Abysmal design. During these dialogues, even though I was clicking on dialogue lines, my group buddy was speaking all the time (must had a higher social rating, as I was told). So I was just passively watching some abysmally amateurish dialogues for 50% of the time we were in. Incredible.

Apart from that, I got a companion, some red-skinned mutant with a Rhino head that kept commenting on everything I did. Good thing is, after I picked my crew skills (crafting) I could send him to a 3 minute gathering mission, which I kept using all day thereafter.  Apparently, at later levels, I was told I have to use the companion system in combat, manage his inventory and skills, otherwise the combat gets incredibly hard. WHY ON EARTH there's a an NPC companion system in MMORPG, when there's thousands of people around me? 

 

Day 3  Horror

I could no longer stand the endless same-looking corridors of Coruscant. In addition, my character looked  like a clown that had been tortured on rack all his childhood. I decided to roll a cyborg, which has basically the same appearance-customization options as the human I had before, just that he can wear some fancy sun glasses. After a couple of hours, I noticed I'm getting the same skills as I had on my previous character, with slighly different name, so I rerolled again. This time a Trooper, and with my dialogue-skipping technique™, I was able to get to level 15 on that day. I noticed, the skills I used at level 2, I kept using at level 15 (rockets, granade and reload from time to time). My companion now doesn't look like a red-skinned mutant with a Rhino head, but instead like a red-skinned mutant with a cat-like head. He's annoying me to the same extent though.

 

Day 4 Uninstall

The game flow seems not to be changing, just the environment shifts a little. Pick up main quest -> 2-3 supplementary quests, kill the nearest mobs -> turn the quests, get main quest, run to next hub, pick 2-3 supplementary quests, kill the nearest mobs -> turn the quests, get main quest run, run to next hub, pick 2-3 supplementary quests,...

I can't see here any longetivy, nor potential, nor craftsmanship, nor passion, nor innovation. This was all done by managerial busy-bodies, who believe that the marketing is more important than the game itself (which is true to an extent).  Bioware games are not really interactive movies, as often labelled, but rather uninteractive games. TOR is no different, half of the time you'll be looking at poorly executed and amateurish dialogues and cut-scenes and half of the time you'll be pressing the same three keys in combat (or running back and forth through the same coruscant corridors), at least, that was my experience. I deeply regret the decision to buy this P.O.S.

 

I'm sorry but I can't take anything you say seriously when your supporting a piss poor game like Vanguard, those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

 

 

  Thillian

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Joined: 5/31/06
Posts: 3228

 
OP  12/25/11 6:49:44 AM#40

Yes, but that still just demonstrates what I'm saying.

5 years and 8 months - working for SWTOR. Before, "in-house numerous feature films", which noone probably ever saw outside the "house". Please, I beg, anyone on these forums, if you ever saw this in-house feature film of Hall Hood, please add your opinion of it here. 

In other words, her qualification prior SWTOR consists of numerous feature films and television projects, which aren't mentioned on IMDB -- as far as I know, even the most "indie" television projects are listed on IMDB, so these projects had to be ultra-underground-indie.

 

REALITY CHECK

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