Originally posted by teakbois

Originally posted by popinjay

 

 

 

In ToR, you don't go out and look for recipes unless you WANT to. You get a base item such as a gun. Then you make the gun and by Reverse Enginnering, you get a better version of that green gun. Then you make that one, Reverse it and you get a BLUE version of that gun. Make that gun and Reverse it and you get a PURPLE gun, which is more than comparabile to any Flashpoint gun.

 

 

Armor goes even furthur.

 

For a green item you can proc a dps blue, a healing blue and a tanking blue.  Each of those blues can proc a purple.  And then each of those three purples?  Can proc 5 different, even furthur specialized, options.  So each green can ultimately be one of 15 purples.

or i could just go do some flashpoints and get comparable gear and not spend so much time crafting.. crafting has its niche for people and i used to enjoy it but honestly when you can get the same or similar stuff through raids I never found a really point in crafting equipment

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Originally posted by teakbois

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Originally posted by popinjay
 
 
 

In ToR, you don't go out and look for recipes unless you WANT to. You get a base item such as a gun. Then you make the gun and by Reverse Enginnering, you get a better version of that green gun. Then you make that one, Reverse it and you get a BLUE version of that gun. Make that gun and Reverse it and you get a PURPLE gun, which is more than comparabile to any Flashpoint gun.
 
 

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Armor goes even furthur.
 
For a green item you can proc a dps blue, a healing blue and a tanking blue.  Each of those blues can proc a purple.  And then each of those three purples?  Can proc 5 different, even furthur specialized, options.  So each green can ultimately be one of 15 purples.

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Someone really needs to sit a few people down and explain it better than I can because outside of Vanguard, I haven't had as much fun crafting without actually having to have my character there in any other mmo in history.

I mean, you can buy a base recipe for a measly few credits from the vendor, take that ONE recipe.. and never have to buy any "rare" recipe or get made someone ninja'ed the recipe you've ran Dungeon X 50x for hoping it would fall.

I can remember grinding for days (not hours) in Rift in Theo just hoping to get some gear drops or camping bosses in the hopes that it MIGHT drop something I could equip so I could start doing some Dark Poeta runs.

In ToR, you don't need to do that grind. You can make your own gear or buy off the AH right away or get through questing. You can even get gear to do Flashpoints simply from Pvping which is a twist from other games.

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Originally posted by sanosukex

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Originally posted by teakbois

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Originally posted by popinjay

 
 
 

In ToR, you don't go out and look for recipes unless you WANT to. You get a base item such as a gun. Then you make the gun and by Reverse Enginnering, you get a better version of that green gun. Then you make that one, Reverse it and you get a BLUE version of that gun. Make that gun and Reverse it and you get a PURPLE gun, which is more than comparabile to any Flashpoint gun.
 
 

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Armor goes even furthur.
 
For a green item you can proc a dps blue, a healing blue and a tanking blue.  Each of those blues can proc a purple.  And then each of those three purples?  Can proc 5 different, even furthur specialized, options.  So each green can ultimately be one of 15 purples.

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or i could just go do some flashpoints and get comparable gear and not spend so much time crafting.. crafting has its niche for people and i used to enjoy it but honestly when you can get the same or similar stuff through raids I never found a really point in crafting equipment

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You don't have to gather ONE single mat.

You don't have to make one single piece of gear, weapon or even a heath pot. Why are you not understanding this basic point?

You go level up, and you eventually get four companions. You can take one companion WITH you to fight and do Flashes for fun, and tell the other three to go on missions to get the stuff and then (more importantly) MAKE the stuff. It's your choice.

If someone is a crafter and wants to kill mobs for mats (I do Armstech/Scav so I like to kill and harvest robots) they can do that. Or I could simply tell my companion "Go get me some mats".

In most other games, crafting was a 'niche' because the best gear dropped from dungeons but you had to do other dungeons to get there. In ToR, you don't have to do that. You make purples or go Pvp and then you have enough right away to start raiding.

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by teakbois

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Originally posted by popinjay
 
 
 

In ToR, you don't go out and look for recipes unless you WANT to. You get a base item such as a gun. Then you make the gun and by Reverse Enginnering, you get a better version of that green gun. Then you make that one, Reverse it and you get a BLUE version of that gun. Make that gun and Reverse it and you get a PURPLE gun, which is more than comparabile to any Flashpoint gun.
 
 

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Armor goes even furthur.
 
For a green item you can proc a dps blue, a healing blue and a tanking blue.  Each of those blues can proc a purple.  And then each of those three purples?  Can proc 5 different, even furthur specialized, options.  So each green can ultimately be one of 15 purples.

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It just amazes me that when you read people who complain about how poor crafting is in games, and how little 'surprise' factor is in it, that they still claim ToR crafing is a "time sink", lol.

 

 

 

Someone really needs to sit a few people down and explain it better than I can because outside of Vanguard, I haven't had as much fun crafting without actually having to have my character there in any other mmo in history.

 

 

I mean, you can buy a base recipe for a measly few credits from the vendor, take that ONE recipe.. and never have to buy any "rare" recipe or get made someone ninja'ed the recipe you've ran Dungeon X 50x for hoping it would fall.

 

 

 

I can remember grinding for days (not hours) in Rift in Theo just hoping to get some gear drops or camping bosses in the hopes that it MIGHT drop something I could equip so I could start doing some Dark Poeta runs.

 

 

 

In ToR, you don't need to do that grind. You can make your own gear or buy off the AH right away or get through questing. You can even get gear to do Flashpoints simply from Pvping which is a twist from other games.

so basically you are saying it is now way easier to obtain that purple gear thats supposed to be hard to obtain.. I'm not saying grinding raids out for gear was great fun all the time but at least it made getting that drop of gear an acomplishment when everyone can just easily craft purple gear then it looses is sense of being something special.. also for the pvp gear rift did the same thing there...

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Originally posted by sanosukex

so basically you are saying it is now way easier to obtain that purple gear thats supposed to be hard to obtain.. I'm not saying grinding raids out for gear was great fun all the time but at least it made getting that drop of gear an acomplishment when everyone can just easily craft purple gear then it looses is sense of being something special.. also for the pvp gear rift did the same thing there...

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That's the old mmo way of doing it that makes people tire of grinds. There isn't any reason why very good gear can't be earned or CRAFTED that is almost comparable to top end gear to some degree. Do you realize how many people complained about that in Rift and left?

Second, purple isn't the highest level. Red is. How much did you play ToR.. actually? So much of what you say you don't seem to understand about.

There is white gear.

There is green gear.

There is green gear that can be Reversed and then you can add an Augment to it.

There is blue gear (prototype).

There is blue gear you can improve upon.

There is purple gear. There is also recipes that drop from dungeons and come from doing things like Treasure Hunting as skills that you can get.

Then you have your red gear from Flashpoints and such. I'm sorry but this crafting system is vastly superior to anything in Rift.

Originally posted by popinjay

In most other games, crafting was a 'niche' because the best gear dropped from dungeons but you had to do other dungeons to get there. In ToR, you don't have to do that. You make purples or go Pvp and then you have enough right away to start raiding.

Not to point out the irony but you just told a vetern Rift player he can do something in TOR he can already do in Rift. Not all or any patterns drops in raids. It actually upsets the hardcores lol

This is a losing battle you are trying to tell someone driving a BWM to start driving a pinto

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Originally posted by Puremallace

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Originally posted by popinjay

In most other games, crafting was a 'niche' because the best gear dropped from dungeons but you had to do other dungeons to get there. In ToR, you don't have to do that. You make purples or go Pvp and then you have enough right away to start raiding.

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Not to point out the irony but you just told a vetern Rift player he can do something in TOR he can already do in Rift. Not all or any patterns drops in raids. It actually upsets the hardcores lol

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Seriously... and you talk about the irony?

you won't get your personal infomaton hacked into?

Originally posted by popinjay

Seriously... and you talk about the irony?

Hey if you want to go there UI and combatlog is hard stuff AMIRIGHT?

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Originally posted by Hrica
you won't get your personal infomaton hacked into?

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At launch, Trion had so many attacks on their system and people stealing accounts that that had to invent "Coin Lock".

Now I guess they'll have to invent "Credit Card Lock" for all the people saying the Russians got their stuff, lulz.

Originally posted by Professor78

Originally posted by popinjay

Fight starts and looks good. Ten seconds later there are guys that jetpack in, come out of the ground or come running though doors. This is where ToR outshines Rift. If people you are playing with (pug style mostly) don't understand how to CC and target prioritize, you WILL wipe unless you are overgeared for that fight in the first place.

That sounds quite interesting, is this dynamic - as in randonly get mobs jump in, sometimes non at all or several at once?

Or is it still scripted that they always come and he same ammount?

If dynamic, that sounds great! :)

No it isn't. I figured it'd be cool if it was dynamic though.

Originally posted by popinjay

I hope you didn't use your credit card to sign up for your Trion account. AMIRITE?

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=79596

You want me as a Rift player to go deal with this shit seriously? People telling me to roll alts to 50...fully gear those alts...then only use them when I need to heal.

wtf is this 2008? You have to be one dense dev to remotely think not having dual spec was a good idea. First thing Rift players will ask for in TOR is crap YOU GUYS HATE. I am not sure what this push is to get Rift players to play a game that is missing features Rift player loved and you guys hate.

Give me addons...give me macros...give me a dps log so I min/max my rotation...screw dual spec I want atleast 5 specs...where are my daily hotfixes to fix issues? Content better be every 43 days or I will rage.

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Originally posted by Puremallace

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Originally posted by popinjay


I hope you didn't use your credit card to sign up for your Trion account. AMIRITE?

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http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=79596
 
You want me as a Rift player to go deal with this shit seriously? People telling me to roll alts to 50...fully gear those alts...then only use them when I need to heal.
 
wtf is this 2008? You have to be one dense dev to remotely think not having dual spec was a good idea. First thing Rift players will ask for in TOR is crap YOU GUYS HATE. I am not sure what this push is to get Rift players to play a game that is missing features Rift player loved and you guys hate.
 
Give me addons...give me macros...give me a dps log so I min/max my rotation...screw dual spec I want atleast 5 specs...where are my daily hotfixes to fix issues? Content better be every 43 days or I will rage.

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The LAST thing I would want is for someone who was "AION IS THE BEST GAME EVER!" for two years then "RIFT IS THE BEST GAME EVER!" for 10 months to go "TOR IS THE BEST GAME EVER!".

That would surely be the Kiss of Death for ToR if I read Puremallace starts liking it, because so far from everything I've read.. every game you've been head over heels and forum preaching about the last three years has slipped, slided and fell away.

Unfortunately based on riftstatus.net, you've kissed Rift to death already.

So please, for the sake of ToR... keep your addons there, keep your three button raiding play there, keep your daily hotfixes and "Hi All, we are briefly bringing down the servers for 30 minutes" every other day there.

Do not bring that to ToR. We like logging in and playing EVERY day.

Take up tiddlywinks instead mate. Far more of a challenge ;)

Originally posted by sanosukex

so basically you are saying it is now way easier to obtain that purple gear thats supposed to be hard to obtain.. I'm not saying grinding raids out for gear was great fun all the time but at least it made getting that drop of gear an acomplishment when everyone can just easily craft purple gear then it looses is sense of being something special.. also for the pvp gear rift did the same thing there...

Are you sure you even play the game because you spend awful time here talking stuff you have no clue about. First of all acquiring best gear from crafting is not easy infact it is very expensive and based on RNG. You will have to reverse engineer a lot of purples and sink lot of money in underworld, investigation mission types. You would be lucky to get maybe one peice of legendery item which will be as good as the raid gear. Purples break into superior version and then if you are lucky you will get an epic from that superior purple which in turn can give you a legendary version. You think this walk in the park for crafters?

For crafter it is going to be an accomplishment to get the schematic they are looking for and i bet you will have to pay out of your nose for those gear peices.

Originally posted by popinjay

 

So please, for the sake of ToR... keep your addons there, keep your three button raiding play there, keep your daily hotfixes and "Hi All, we are briefly bringing down the servers for 30 minutes" every other day there.

 

 

Do not bring that to ToR. We like logging in and playing EVERY day.

Are you serious?

I guess you haven't played the 2 button combat of SWtOR yet :/

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Originally posted by darwa

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Originally posted by popinjay
 
So please, for the sake of ToR... keep your addons there, keep your three button raiding play there, keep your daily hotfixes and "Hi All, we are briefly bringing down the servers for 30 minutes" every other day there.
 
 

Do not bring that to ToR. We like logging in and playing EVERY day.

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Are you serious?
I guess you haven't played the 2 button combat of SWtOR yet :/

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I'm level 36 and I have NO idea what you are talking about.

Originally posted by darwa

Originally posted by popinjay

 

So please, for the sake of ToR... keep your addons there, keep your three button raiding play there, keep your daily hotfixes and "Hi All, we are briefly bringing down the servers for 30 minutes" every other day there.

 

 

Do not bring that to ToR. We like logging in and playing EVERY day.

Are you serious?

I guess you haven't played the 2 button combat of SWtOR yet :/

LVL 30 bounty hunter here and i surely press a lot more than two buttons and i am glad there are no macros because i like to think and use skills according to the situation and enemies i am dealign with .

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by darwa

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Originally posted by popinjay
 
So please, for the sake of ToR... keep your addons there, keep your three button raiding play there, keep your daily hotfixes and "Hi All, we are briefly bringing down the servers for 30 minutes" every other day there.
 
 

Do not bring that to ToR. We like logging in and playing EVERY day.

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Are you serious?
I guess you haven't played the 2 button combat of SWtOR yet :/

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Explain.

 

 

I'm level 36 and I have NO idea what you are talking about.

Simple. I hit 50 a few times in beta on each class on at least one side of the mirror. 

There are plenty of skills available, but I always found myself coming down to the odd one or two.

Maybe the game changed loads after I gave up on it :/