All of these people praising the game need to wait until their second month. Right now most people are in the "honeymoon phase" where everything seems perfect and glamourous. Wait until you're 50, and a month in and then tell us how you feel. Also, the amount of people subbing for their second month of play will dictate how well this game is doing. Box sells really do not mean a game is good or bad, just that it was marketed well. But, people coming back clearly shows it has lasting appeal.

For everyone wondering end-game is basically this:

Heroic 4 mans (dungeons)

Warzones (battlegrounds)

Operations (raids)

So please, if you're on the fence about this, wait until the next month.

Originally posted by skamper

All of these people praising the game need to wait until their second month. Right now most people are in the "honeymoon phase" where everything seems perfect and glamourous. Wait until you're 50, and a month in and then tell us how you feel. Also, the amount of people subbing for their second month of play will dictate how well this game is doing. Box sells really do not mean a game is good or bad, just that it was marketed wel but people coming back clearly shows it has lasting appeal.

 

 

For everyone wondering end-game is basically this:

Heroic 4 mans (dungeons)

Warzones (battlegrounds)

Operations (raids)

Operation on three diffuclty settings and there is also FFA pvp zone and planet illum for end game PVP. For those who are into crafting there is so much to do beyond lvl 50. As you will spend lots of time and good amount of money to discover all the new schematics and mods.

Originally posted by onthestick

Originally posted by skamper

All of these people praising the game need to wait until their second month. Right now most people are in the "honeymoon phase" where everything seems perfect and glamourous. Wait until you're 50, and a month in and then tell us how you feel. Also, the amount of people subbing for their second month of play will dictate how well this game is doing. Box sells really do not mean a game is good or bad, just that it was marketed wel but people coming back clearly shows it has lasting appeal.

 

 

For everyone wondering end-game is basically this:

Heroic 4 mans (dungeons)

Warzones (battlegrounds)

Operations (raids)

Operation on three diffuclty settings and there is also FFA pvp zone and planet illum for end game PVP. For those who are into crafting there is so much to do beyond lvl 50. As you will spend lots of time and good amount of money to discover all the new schematics and mods.

Right operations have a "casual mode" which they call normal, and then two more "hardcore" settings called heroic and nightmare. There are 6 bosses in one raid and a single boss encounter in another. You will most likely be looking at progressing through three tiers of difficulty similar to WoW's LFR -> Normal -> Heroic. Note this is NOT a wow vs swtor comment, just a general comparision.

FFA pvp can hardly be called end game content. Generally in mmorpgs end-game content revolves around "What can I do in this game to keep progressing, once I reach max level?". Unless the FFA pvp awards some sort of armor, stat, companion, etc it is hardly end-game content. Sure it is fun and exciting but does not have lasting appeal like raiding or instanced pvp. Obviously people who do pvp and dungeons/raids will have an advantage over a person who just hit 50 and sits in the FFA pvp area all day.

Judging from the items listed on torhead.com, there's only a moderate amount of crafted items at level 50 to use. Absolutely you could use the level 50 crafted items to start dungeons and entry level raid, but it won't get you much further than that.

Note: I am not saying this is a bad game. I just want the people on the fence to understand exactly what the game is and what it offers, before they spend money.

Yes it is a lot of fun. 4 of my friends have started and for the first time in a long time (since AC) i only want to group. I will be playing this for a long time.

Originally posted by moosecatlol

Personally I'm just put off by a game that uses the name Star Wars, and instead focuses on story over other elements in the game, so much so that it takes away from all other aspects you should expect from a game released in Q4 2011.

When I really think about it, I always arrive at "150 million dollars, and is all you could muster was a wolrd of warcraft with lightsabers", I'm sorry but this game is never going to be Star WARS for me.

Not sure how the game can not be Star Wars because if anything the amount of lore, the feel, the dialogue everything about the game screams that your a Star Wars Hero! Which is why I quit SWG in the first place sure it may not have every aspect of the Star Wars Universe but from someone who is an EU officianado and knows the lore the one thing this game has down is the Star Wars feel.

Now it may not be SWG but it is Star Wars.

Well to start off, I am giving this game to my niece because I know she will enjoy it.  I played the beta and had fun but that convinced me to avoid it for myself.  The game has zero replayability in my mind.  You level far too fast and will reach end game far too quickly.  Then what are you going to do?  Raid?  Sorry this game is just a faster leveling Wow with the exact same end game.  Been there done that.  Crafting is made for the simpletons so that won't keep you busy, can't see nothing else that will keep people playing.  

So enjoy the game now, but you will be looking for something else soon.  Not trying to spoil anyones fun, but just being realistic.

Myself, I just very disappointed with Bioware for demeaning themselves with this game design.  How they managed to spend so much money developing it shows a great deal of mismanagement.

Opinions Are the A** holes. Everyone has one... Some people like it. some people don't Just like Politics . People can not even agree in America's congress. Its the natural of being human.

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Well to start off, I am giving this game to my niece because I know she will enjoy it.  I played the beta and had fun but that convinced me to avoid it for myself.  The game has zero replayability in my mind.  You level far too fast and will reach end game far too quickly.  Then what are you going to do?  Raid?  Sorry this game is just a faster leveling Wow with the exact same end game.  Been there done that.  Crafting is made for the simpletons so that won't keep you busy, can't see nothing else that will keep people playing.  

So enjoy the game now, but you will be looking for something else soon.  Not trying to spoil anyones fun, but just being realistic.

Myself, I just very disappointed with Bioware for demeaning themselves with this game design.  How they managed to spend so much money developing it shows a great deal of mismanagement.

   To bad , it looks like your niece is going to have all the fun in your family

Haters gona hate and no where is it as prevelant as on these pages.

Professional reviews are mostly positive but no they couldn't be right so its "in EA's pocket" "incompetent"

Clone clone same same!! problem is as alot of us keep saying we hate wow but we love swtor so we must be fanboys, yes it is like every other mmo out there if you take away the story, voice acting, content and CHOICE.

So all I can do is repeat the same that most of us spending more time in game than on this board

A)I am personally really enjoying this game, the story, the gameplay even the space game is a fun destraction.

B)I did not like wow, do not enjoy rift and hated FF.

I and my friends are having a blast quite literally.

Check out metacritic if you really want to see the nastiness and vitriolic content against SWTOR from normal reviews, it is like an organised negative bomb attack on SWTOR, no rational at all. ANY mmo that launches stable with content up to end game, with some polish even if you do not like it, even if you think it is a clone does NOT deserve a score of 0-4

Its called "Forum Wars" Its what you get when you get numerous self proffessed eagotistical "Gaming Experts" who know what you should and should not like, because how they see things is %100 correct and you dont know what the hell you are talking about.

Leave it to the "Proffesional Gamer's" lol

Merry Christmas to all

I'm glad so many people are having a great time with it--it really is a well done, polished game that succeeds at what it set out to do. That said, I decided after four months of beta that it wasn't really the MMO I'm looking for right now. I'm a big Star Wars fan, a huge BioWare fan and a player of over a dozen different MMOs dating back to EQ, so I had been hoping this game would be right up my alley. But I'm a big gamer in general, too, not just an MMO player, and there are so many other great games across multiple platforms right now that I don't feel compelled to pay an ongoing fee for an MMO that's biggest strengths are that it brings the personality of a single-player RPG into an MMO environment--because, simply put, I can get that single-player personality from other great single-player games right now.

When I subscribe to an MMO, the sense that its world is "alive" is just as important an aspect of the game to me as all the rest, and compared to many of the MMOs I've played in the past, ToR's galaxy is very static and fragmented, broken up into several instances and divided by numerous load screens, with no dynamic weather, no day/night cycle, and very little reason for players to come together. Of course, it does have solid enough combat, good questing, simple-yet-fairly-deep crafting, and quite a bit of potential, so there's always that chance that months or years down the road when gaming is going through more of a drought and the up-front cost has dropped to $20-$30, I may have to check this out and see how it has grown.

If I think back to the great MMORPG's I've played which started back in 2001 with Anarchy Online, then onto Dark Age of Camelot, EVE Online, Everquest II and Planetside. I've played dozens of MMO's but never got into them, those 5 MMO's I've listed are my top 5 and I feel it's getting harder and harder to find a worthy MMO to play.

The last MMO I played was RIFT at release, but that only lasted a couple weeks before boredom set in, I was at that point where I was playing MMO's less and less and then I stopped after RIFT and decided MMO's were no more for me. I went back to single player games and FPS games for almost a year but then SWTOR came along and it has reignited that fire for me. It's basic formula stuff, but there's alot I like in the game, the combat feels good, loving questing for the first time ever in an MMORPG, the voice over is brilliant which were short lived but loved features in Everquest II and Age of Conan. I think the graphics look suberb and has a great art style, I actually want to roll an alt to see both the dark and light side. I appreciate it's non-committed crafting and companion system is fun also.

I can only sense great things to come for SWTOR, I've spent over 20 hours in the game so far, got to level 16 and for the first time ever, I'm not rushing to 50 to see the endgame, I'm actually doing the quests and looking forward to the next one. I've always clicked on an NPC, hit accept the quest and let the map point me where to go just to get the exerience quickly. In SWTOR, I'll do maybe a few quests in a play session and feel very satisfied when I log off, it's brilliant stuff.

I say weldone to Bioware for making me like MMO's again. Things feel right in SWTOR and I'm loving every moment of it, there's alot to see and do, been playing almost 4 weeks now, got into beta and day 2 early access and no signs of boredom setting in yet, a very good sign. :)

Originally posted by Crunchy221

I cant stand when people put qualifiers to "legit" negative feelings towards a game. Typically they require to play the game for an extremely long period of time to have the "right" to dislike the game.  Usually just long enough where they can retort that "its must not have been so bad if you had played it so long"

People have the right to come to a 3rd party forums (or the games forum) and post that they didnt like the first 30 seconds of the game and didnt feel like playing the rest if they want.

The OP has no right to tell people that their claims of disliking the game are unfounded, and its quite narcissistic to assume that they are wrong because your currently enjoying the game, their opinions are just as valid as yours, your opinions are not more valuable than others.

There is a fine line between posting how you dislike a new game and staying on this forums years after playing to continue to badger its players though, havent seen any of that yet on this sites SWTOR forum.

My assumption is that this game is going to be a good standard themepark mmorpg just like rift.  as will gw2 when it comes out. 

to add a lame IP related quote "these are not the innovative and groundbreaking mmorpgs you were looking for" these are themeparks.  so get ready to assist lazy npcs in killing stuff you dont care about, get ready for battle ground pvp hampster wheel, and get ready for rotating OP class balance mechanics and endgame gear grind.  If you are not thristing for this you may be dissapointed once the new voice overs and newness wears off.

QFT. Some of the responses in this thread are getting ridiculous. The following picture comes to mind.

Originally posted by Mephster

Those threads are negative for a reason. Perhaps some do not think highly of the game as others do ?

Some perhaps but most are without reason or merit - and I find their lack of knowledge and understanding of the game disturbing :)

Originally posted by moosecatlol

Personally I'm just put off by a game that uses the name Star Wars, and instead focuses on story over other elements in the game, so much so that it takes away from all other aspects you should expect from a game released in Q4 2011.

When I really think about it, I always arrive at "150 million dollars, and is all you could muster was a wolrd of warcraft with lightsabers", I'm sorry but this game is never going to be Star WARS for me.

I have no idea what you're talking about in the 1st paragraph but you just sound foolish with the second.

Originally posted by skamper

Originally posted by onthestick

Originally posted by skamper

All of these people praising the game need to wait until their second month. Right now most people are in the "honeymoon phase" where everything seems perfect and glamourous. Wait until you're 50, and a month in and then tell us how you feel. Also, the amount of people subbing for their second month of play will dictate how well this game is doing. Box sells really do not mean a game is good or bad, just that it was marketed wel but people coming back clearly shows it has lasting appeal.

 

 

For everyone wondering end-game is basically this:

Heroic 4 mans (dungeons)

Warzones (battlegrounds)

Operations (raids)

Operation on three diffuclty settings and there is also FFA pvp zone and planet illum for end game PVP. For those who are into crafting there is so much to do beyond lvl 50. As you will spend lots of time and good amount of money to discover all the new schematics and mods.

Right operations have a "casual mode" which they call normal, and then two more "hardcore" settings called heroic and nightmare. There are 6 bosses in one raid and a single boss encounter in another. You will most likely be looking at progressing through three tiers of difficulty similar to WoW's LFR -> Normal -> Heroic. Note this is NOT a wow vs swtor comment, just a general comparision.

 

FFA pvp can hardly be called end game content. Generally in mmorpgs end-game content revolves around "What can I do in this game to keep progressing, once I reach max level?". Unless the FFA pvp awards some sort of armor, stat, companion, etc it is hardly end-game content. Sure it is fun and exciting but does not have lasting appeal like raiding or instanced pvp. Obviously people who do pvp and dungeons/raids will have an advantage over a person who just hit 50 and sits in the FFA pvp area all day.

 

Judging from the items listed on torhead.com, there's only a moderate amount of crafted items at level 50 to use. Absolutely you could use the level 50 crafted items to start dungeons and entry level raid, but it won't get you much further than that.

 

Note: I am not saying this is a bad game. I just want the people on the fence to understand exactly what the game is and what it offers, before they spend money.

Items listed at TOR doesn't give a clear picture yet because there is so much that is not discovered in crafting. But judging from my lvl 200 armortech i am pretty sure there will be plenty of new epic and legendery schematics to discover. 

Not everyone likes to PVP for progression though, so if you don't think FFA pvp can not be considered end game doesn't mean it is true for everyone else. But then again we ned a good population of 50 to see how it pans out but the fact is that for those who want to PVP they have FFA pvp zone and illum. I personally could care less for rewards associated with PVP, for me it is all about being competitive.

Originally posted by echolynfan

Originally posted by Mephster

Those threads are negative for a reason. Perhaps some do not think highly of the game as others do ?

Some perhaps but most are without reason or merit - and I find their lack of knowledge and understanding of the game disturbing :)

I agree.  They have it down to a science though when flaming. Three things uninformed people see over and over and eventually it will sink in.

"Game sucks"

"Waste of money"

"Boring"

They always make sure they throw those points out there without giving any reasons for any of it.   I almost wish they worked for a rival MMO so that it would make sense as to why they are that passionate about "destroying a game".  

In the end, I guess I have better things to do than "defend my game" and they don't.

Originally posted by Crunchy221

I cant stand when people put qualifiers to "legit" negative feelings towards a game. Typically they require to play the game for an extremely long period of time to have the "right" to dislike the game.  Usually just long enough where they can retort that "its must not have been so bad if you had played it so long"

People have the right to come to a 3rd party forums (or the games forum) and post that they didnt like the first 30 seconds of the game and didnt feel like playing the rest if they want.

The OP has no right to tell people that their claims of disliking the game are unfounded, and its quite narcissistic to assume that they are wrong because your currently enjoying the game, their opinions are just as valid as yours, your opinions are not more valuable than others.

There is a fine line between posting how you dislike a new game and staying on this forums years after playing to continue to badger its players though, havent seen any of that yet on this sites SWTOR forum.

My assumption is that this game is going to be a good standard themepark mmorpg just like rift.  as will gw2 when it comes out. 

to add a lame IP related quote "these are not the innovative and groundbreaking mmorpgs you were looking for" these are themeparks.  so get ready to assist lazy npcs in killing stuff you dont care about, get ready for battle ground pvp hampster wheel, and get ready for rotating OP class balance mechanics and endgame gear grind.  If you are not thristing for this you may be dissapointed once the new voice overs and newness wears off.

As I said before in a previous post - I'm not telling anyone they can't like the game but I find it wrong that so many say that the game sucks or is like Wow with lightsabers.

The game might not be to your taste but it's not a bad game that so many are saying it is. And since there are so many on this forum making baseless claims about SWTOR I decided to make my own POSITIVE thread to counter them.

People have been bashing the game before it even released which is wrong and all the haters will be proved wrong in the end.

Also - I find many of the people in this forum to be condescending snobs when it comes to MMO's - if it doesn't involve a spreadsheet or years of study it's just not a good game. Well...you  guys keep on waiting for that "perfect" game - I'm sure it'll be along some day :)

Originally posted by echolynfan

I've seen one negative thread after another and I can understand that some people don't like SWTOR because it's a Theme Park etc but the fact remains: Bioware has produced an awesome, fun and polished game at release that can only get better.

All of this nit picking over the amount of subs it has and other silliness doesn't change this fact. If you're reading this and are on the fence about this game because of all the nonsense that's going on here and are a Star Wars fan - you will LOVE this game.

{mod edit}

/signed

^^

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Originally posted by echolynfan
As I said before in a previous post - I'm not telling anyone they can't like the game but I find it wrong that so many say that the game sucks or is like Wow with lightsabers.
The game might not be to your taste but it's not a bad game that so many are saying it is. And since there are so many on this forum making baseless claims about SWTOR I decided to make my own POSITIVE thread to counter them.
People have been bashing the game before it even released which is wrong and all the haters will be proved wrong in the end.
Also - I find many of the people in this forum to be condescending snobs when it comes to MMO's - if it doesn't involve a spreadsheet or years of study it's just not a good game. Well...you  guys keep on waiting for that "perfect" game - I'm sure it'll be along some day :)

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I hope you do realize that you sound quite condescending yourself and are not doing much to discredit those so called haters.