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  sanosukex

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12/22/11 9:17:33 PM#161
Originally posted by evilastro

Most of the haters are either:

a) Disgruntled sandboxers who dont have a AAA sandbox to play so they come here and trash themepark MMOs instead.

b) Ex-SWG players who are annoyed their game was ruined / shut down.

c) People who dont like Star Wars / Sci Fi and just want to stop people from leaving the current games.

 

I havent seen a single intelligent arguement against SWTOR except from people who just hate themeparks. And everybody knew that this game wasnt going to be a sandbox from day one, they just need to move on.

Combat in SWTOR is easily more fun and balanced than what youll find in WoW, Rift, Everquest 2 or LOTRO. Also the later worlds (Taris onwards) are massive, and the difficulty ramps up after level 30.

 

TLDR - If you like themepark and dont have some deep rooted hatred for Star Wars then youll like the game. If you dont like themepark or sci fi, you wont like the game.

 

i don't find the combat any more fun honestly.. actually find the slower pace less fun especially for pvp. But thats me,  many like the slower paced less twitch combat. For PVE I find it fine but not really enjoying PVP at all

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html

  Otakun

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12/22/11 9:19:59 PM#162
Originally posted by evilastro
Originally posted by Fearmeirl

I knew it wouldnt be a great game since its based off Star Wars and such but is the gameplay and PvP really as bad as people make it out to be?

Most of the haters are either:

a) Disgruntled sandboxers who dont have a AAA sandbox to play so they come here and trash themepark MMOs instead.

b) Ex-SWG players who are annoyed their game was ruined / shut down.

c) People who dont like Star Wars / Sci Fi and just want to stop people from leaving the current games.

 

I havent seen a single intelligent arguement against SWTOR except from people who just hate themeparks. And everybody knew that this game wasnt going to be a sandbox from day one, they just need to move on.

Combat in SWTOR is easily more fun and balanced than what youll find in WoW, Rift, Everquest 2 or LOTRO. Also the later worlds (Taris onwards) are massive, and the difficulty ramps up after level 30.

 

TLDR - If you like themepark and dont have some deep rooted hatred for Star Wars then youll like the game. If you dont like themepark or sci fi, you wont like the game.

I have clearly stated quite a few times the problems that SWTOR has but it gets lumped in with other posts as 'troll'  or 'hater' posts. Anyone who supports SWTOR isn't looking for an actual discussion on SWTOR's faults that make it not worth its cost. So don't act like the people who dislike the game don't actually have a reason for their opinion. You're just not actually looking for it.

  jpnole

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Joined: 2/13/10
Posts: 1648

12/22/11 9:23:23 PM#163

No the game is not nearly as bad as some are saying.... here's why:

 

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/336175/How-SWTOR-is-being-innovative-among-AAA-MMOs.html

 

 

  RizelStar

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Joined: 8/12/11
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12/22/11 9:33:01 PM#164
Originally posted by evilastro
Originally posted by Fearmeirl

I knew it wouldnt be a great game since its based off Star Wars and such but is the gameplay and PvP really as bad as people make it out to be?

Most of the haters are either:

a) Disgruntled sandboxers who dont have a AAA sandbox to play so they come here and trash themepark MMOs instead.

b) Ex-SWG players who are annoyed their game was ruined / shut down.

c) People who dont like Star Wars / Sci Fi and just want to stop people from leaving the current games.

 

I havent seen a single intelligent arguement against SWTOR except from people who just hate themeparks. And everybody knew that this game wasnt going to be a sandbox from day one, they just need to move on.

Combat in SWTOR is easily more fun and balanced than what youll find in WoW, Rift, Everquest 2 or LOTRO. Also the later worlds (Taris onwards) are massive, and the difficulty ramps up after level 30.

 

TLDR - If you like themepark and dont have some deep rooted hatred for Star Wars then youll like the game. If you dont like themepark or sci fi, you wont like the game.

 

Or if you don't like/burnt out on current gen mmorpg's gameplay wise.

You can still be a sci fi and Star Wars fan :D

Oh and jpnole has a list of opinions as well.

Seriousely though OP, just try the game out you might like it, some people have, one if my friens I got recently to play it because and I quote "Doesn't like being around a lot of players and really just wants an SRPG Kotor with some multiplayer in it." It's why he went to the RP Server, but that's what he told me and he's having a lot of fun, no sarcism at all.

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  User Deleted
12/23/11 5:14:49 AM#165
Originally posted by sanosukex

i don't find the combat any more fun honestly.. actually find the slower pace less fun especially for pvp. But thats me,  many like the slower paced less twitch combat. For PVE I find it fine but not really enjoying PVP at all

Pace for PvP seems about on par with every other MMO I have played. Unless you mean you cant really one shot people?

Combat is long enough to require strategic use of stuns, interrupts and knockbacks. No cheap kills.

The battlegrounds have better design than any other game at the moment, and the open world pvp planet is amazingly fun.

  User Deleted
12/23/11 5:19:04 AM#166
Originally posted by Otakun

I have clearly stated quite a few times the problems that SWTOR has but it gets lumped in with other posts as 'troll'  or 'hater' posts. Anyone who supports SWTOR isn't looking for an actual discussion on SWTOR's faults that make it not worth its cost. So don't act like the people who dislike the game don't actually have a reason for their opinion. You're just not actually looking for it.

Checking your post history... doesnt seem you have clearly stated any problems with SWTOR. You just make baseless claims that the game will be dead in a month, and that its boring without stating exactly why. Lots of speculation when it seems you havent even played the game at a high level.

  StarI

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Joined: 1/18/06
Posts: 784

12/23/11 5:22:17 AM#167
Originally posted by Puremallace

Go try it yourself or wait for a trial. Some of us do not like it and some do. It seems to be 50/50 right now.

50/50 might be on forums, but I assure you there are thousands of people playing game, not giving the slightest shit about forums and negativity. And if we consider those peopel playing, I can with a lot of confidence speculate that a few hundred forum warriors bashing the game are in huge minority.

  Fext

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Joined: 12/22/11
Posts: 35

12/23/11 6:35:38 AM#168

It's not THAT bad - it's in fact better than average, some 60 out of 100 points.

If you liked KOTOR this is just KOTOR with some MMO features.

My char was on quite a low level 24 when I ended with the game and EA, so hard to speculate about endgame content but maybe somebody might have personal experience. 

The questing was nice, voiceacting great, teamwork was boring,  sometimes because people did not know how to play their roles, but despite it you can't really wipe. Graphic was in general good, the body models and animations have enough room for improvement, nothing like AoC (but OTOH a way faster and less laggy than AoC).

  Fext

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Joined: 12/22/11
Posts: 35

12/23/11 6:41:31 AM#169
Originally posted by StarI
50/50 might be on forums, but I assure you there are thousands of people playing game, not giving the slightest shit about forums and negativity. And if we consider those peopel playing, I can with a lot of confidence speculate that a few hundred forum warriors bashing the game are in huge minority.

The real question is the endgame content.

As long as you level in a single player the game is great - the KOTOR is back in it's old glory. The multiplayer content is boring but you can live on the great quests and story - as long as it is new for you. 

But what happens when the quests are over and the story is concluded? Is there some good endgame stuff?

  Vhaln

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Joined: 7/07/05
Posts: 3167

12/23/11 7:01:28 AM#170
Originally posted by StarI
Originally posted by Puremallace

Go try it yourself or wait for a trial. Some of us do not like it and some do. It seems to be 50/50 right now.

50/50 might be on forums, but I assure you there are thousands of people playing game, not giving the slightest shit about forums and negativity. And if we consider those peopel playing, I can with a lot of confidence speculate that a few hundred forum warriors bashing the game are in huge minority.

 

Enthusiasts (of any game) are a huge minority too, though.  Most of the people who buy games are surprisingly casual, and aren't anything like fanbois or haters.  I think that's why so many MMOs fail at retention.  The masses can be the most fickle of all.  They don't quit because they hate the game.  They like a game for a while, or maybe they're not that crazy about it, but either way, they tend to just get bored and move on.

 

I just find it funny that fans of a game are always proclaiming the haters to be the vocal minority, when the fans tend to be just as much of a vocal minority, too.  Most people are somewhere in between, and just quietly play the game until they quietly quit.

When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.

  lonhelyg

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Joined: 2/27/08
Posts: 75

12/23/11 7:18:19 AM#171

The game is a lot of fun especially the combat , its nothing groundbreaking , but I still think its the best game to come along in years , I'm having an absoulute blast with my bounty hunter ! :)

  Crosswire

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Joined: 11/28/06
Posts: 245

12/23/11 7:46:16 AM#172

I think the question sould be "Is the game really that good"

  Dahlifyr

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Joined: 2/02/08
Posts: 144

12/23/11 7:58:28 AM#173

Yeah it is pretty bad. Notice how the "fans" have to use excuses to like it. Dont have high expectations, take it for what it is, you are playing it wrong bla bla bla. Or they just love it couse it  is star wars and they dont care about anything else, they dont really demand anythin....kind of spineless if i may say.

The game is amazingly linear, i hated Coruscant and preyed that it was better planets to come....Then i arrived at Taris and it was all the same. Listen to a guy talk and walk this line to the next quest where you kill/gather x amount of anything.....

And where are the mmo-feeling, its stonedead and i play on Bloodworthy. They really need to get rid of the rediculus instancing.

  allegria

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Posts: 685

12/23/11 8:10:40 AM#174

SWTOR was ok ( beta and pre release ) but i did not purchase because its just the same old thing. I thought the graphics were circa 2006 and iI found myself so bored of the conversations I would get up smoke a cig, grab some tea or something and listen from afar it just didnt draw me in at all...

Compared to ME / ME2 - Story not even close

Compared to MMOs of the past that I liked ( swg / eq2 /wow/ vanguard / DDO / lotro for a time ) its probably more like LOTRO than all the rest... just very on rails.

Open world MMOs SWG/WoW/Vanguard give you choice where how to level and part of the fun, actually a ton of it is exploration... SWTOR is not an explorers game at all... so for me not good.

That said, if you are new to MMOs or like the on rails,  take me through a story thing  . . .

You may just love it !

 

I would also guess that for most people you couldn't go wrong with a single playthrough.

  StarI

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Joined: 1/18/06
Posts: 784

12/23/11 8:11:42 AM#175
Originally posted by Fext
Originally posted by StarI
50/50 might be on forums, but I assure you there are thousands of people playing game, not giving the slightest shit about forums and negativity. And if we consider those peopel playing, I can with a lot of confidence speculate that a few hundred forum warriors bashing the game are in huge minority.

The real question is the endgame content.

As long as you level in a single player the game is great - the KOTOR is back in it's old glory. The multiplayer content is boring but you can live on the great quests and story - as long as it is new for you. 

But what happens when the quests are over and the story is concluded? Is there some good endgame stuff?

I realy couldn't care less about endgame content when the journey is worth every penny.

After a week of playing I'm already happy even if I only have left another week of enjoyment - for the money I have spent.

(EXAMPLE: I got bored of Skyrim after about 50 hours of gameplay and I will get much much more from SW it seems)

 

If some of you are such unsociable human beings who rather avoid group content (all the heroics, flashpoints and warzones, just because you can solo to max level (LIKE IN EVERY OTHER MMO) and claim an MMO a singleplayer game it's realy no one to blame but yourself for being saddos.

 

  Satarious

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12/23/11 8:27:38 AM#176
Originally posted by Fext
Originally posted by StarI
50/50 might be on forums, but I assure you there are thousands of people playing game, not giving the slightest shit about forums and negativity. And if we consider those peopel playing, I can with a lot of confidence speculate that a few hundred forum warriors bashing the game are in huge minority.

The real question is the endgame content.

As long as you level in a single player the game is great - the KOTOR is back in it's old glory. The multiplayer content is boring but you can live on the great quests and story - as long as it is new for you. 

But what happens when the quests are over and the story is concluded? Is there some good endgame stuff?

Two words:  World PvP

 

Something that WoW ignored initially and never got right subsequently.  Luckily, the daoc team is on the job for EA Bioware.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c

  User Deleted
12/23/11 8:30:50 AM#177
Originally posted by Fearmeirl

I knew it wouldnt be a great game since its based off Star Wars and such but is the gameplay and PvP really as bad as people make it out to be?

The only way to find out, is try it for yourself or wait and watch some youtube videos from players. Beauty is in the eye of .......

  howardb

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12/23/11 8:31:50 AM#178

Yes it's terrible. Go away. There's enough whiners playing as it is.

  RavingRabbid

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12/23/11 8:32:42 AM#179

Personally I enjoy the game and I find its one of the best I've played. Plenty to do and will keep me going for a long while. Some people like it some wont. its my opinion that matters in the end. not anyone elses.

***raises plunger in salute to a fantastic game!***

All my opinions are just that..opinions. If you like my opinions..coolness.If you dont like my opinion....I really dont care.
Playing: SWTOR, Marvel Heroes and WOT.

  echolynfan

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12/23/11 8:39:37 AM#180
Originally posted by Golelorn
Originally posted by Precusor

Its better than 99% of the mmos listed on this website.

99% of the MMOs on this website don't cost 60 dollars with a 15 dollar a month upkeep.

Which is exactly why the cheapos on this forum bash SWTOR without even playing it.

Currently playing as Pete Puma on Excalibur. FF ARR - The best MMO I've played since SWG!

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