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  Vhaln

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12/22/11 6:14:39 PM#141
Originally posted by AdamTM
Originally posted by Fearmeirl

I knew it wouldnt be a great game since its based off Star Wars and such but is the gameplay and PvP really as bad as people make it out to be?

"Bad" is relative.

So relative to what?

Id say its bad, relative to it coming from a AAA publisher, a AAA studio, and around 100 million backing the game in dev cost.

 

But your milage may vary.

 

IMHO, it's the worst AAA MMO since WAR, unless you count APB.  Yes, I'm saying that every other major MMO of the past few years has been better - but, some people even liked WAR and APB, so yeah..

 

When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.

  AdamTM

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12/22/11 6:20:43 PM#142
Originally posted by laserit
Originally posted by AdamTM
Originally posted by laserit
Originally posted by AdamTM
Originally posted by NMStudio
Originally posted by AdamTM
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by sanosukex
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Otakun
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Just cause Skyrim is an RPG doesn't mean it plays the same as other RPGs. Final Fantasy is an RPG but it doesn't play like Skyrim.

Out of all the RPG's out there IMO Skyrim, Oblivion and Morrowind are the closest single-player games you'll get to a themepark MMO experience. Sure they play differently in terms of combat, and options to the player ( stealing, killing, jail, etc). In a round about way though TES games are basically the shy mans MMO. All IMO of course...

umm what?! seriously? closest to maybe sandbox but not themepark

Yep, seriously, that is my opinion. I'm not the first to say that not by a long shot, hell that desciption is what turned me on to Morrowind in the first place, it was dubbed the shy-mans MMO in a mag I read back then :).

I don't see how TES would be considered a sandbox? Where's the sand?

its a sandbox.

Sandbox = non-linear gameplay

its all what sandbox means.

Many "sandbox fans" would disagree due to the fact that all you're doing is questing, the same types of quests we have in MMO's, there are just more of them and you get to pick and choose a bit. 

I don't care what sandbox "fans" think, thats the official definition of it.

Thats how its taught in game-design schools.

So with that definition, SWTOR is a sandbox. I can lvl to cap with out doing a single quest.  I can do PvP and space combat and mob grinding in any order I want.

 

The sandbox term was around long before MMO's or game design schools.

By your argument no sandbox game exists on this planet.

By definition and not my definition a sand box is an open slate where you are free to build as you wish, I first saw the term used in games back in the 80's with games such as "Rail Road Tycoon" and many City Builder's

 

What you refer to as Sandbox was coined as "Free Roaming" back then

"A sandbox mode is an option in otherwise goal-oriented games and should be distinguished from open-ended games with no objectives such as SimCity."

Emphasis added by me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_gameplay

"Back then" was back then.

"Back then", "gay" was a derogatory term.

 

The times they are a'changin'

 

  laserit

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12/22/11 6:25:30 PM#143
Originally posted by AdamTM
Originally posted by laserit
Originally posted by AdamTM
Originally posted by laserit
Originally posted by AdamTM
Originally posted by NMStudio
Originally posted by AdamTM
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by sanosukex
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Otakun
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Just cause Skyrim is an RPG doesn't mean it plays the same as other RPGs. Final Fantasy is an RPG but it doesn't play like Skyrim.

Out of all the RPG's out there IMO Skyrim, Oblivion and Morrowind are the closest single-player games you'll get to a themepark MMO experience. Sure they play differently in terms of combat, and options to the player ( stealing, killing, jail, etc). In a round about way though TES games are basically the shy mans MMO. All IMO of course...

umm what?! seriously? closest to maybe sandbox but not themepark

Yep, seriously, that is my opinion. I'm not the first to say that not by a long shot, hell that desciption is what turned me on to Morrowind in the first place, it was dubbed the shy-mans MMO in a mag I read back then :).

I don't see how TES would be considered a sandbox? Where's the sand?

its a sandbox.

Sandbox = non-linear gameplay

its all what sandbox means.

Many "sandbox fans" would disagree due to the fact that all you're doing is questing, the same types of quests we have in MMO's, there are just more of them and you get to pick and choose a bit. 

I don't care what sandbox "fans" think, thats the official definition of it.

Thats how its taught in game-design schools.

So with that definition, SWTOR is a sandbox. I can lvl to cap with out doing a single quest.  I can do PvP and space combat and mob grinding in any order I want.

 

The sandbox term was around long before MMO's or game design schools.

By your argument no sandbox game exists on this planet.

By definition and not my definition a sand box is an open slate where you are free to build as you wish, I first saw the term used in games back in the 80's with games such as "Rail Road Tycoon" and many City Builder's

 

What you refer to as Sandbox was coined as "Free Roaming" back then

"A sandbox mode is an option in otherwise goal-oriented games and should be distinguished from open-ended games with no objectives such as SimCity."

Emphasis added by me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_gameplay

"Back then" was back then.

"Back then", "gay" was a derogatory term.

 

The times they are a'changin'

 

At not for the better it seems

 

cheers

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  Axxar

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12/22/11 6:31:18 PM#144

It's a really great MMO. Like any game it has some flaws, but in this case they are few and minor. Not something that detracts from all the really awesome stuff.

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  Purutzil

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12/22/11 6:34:50 PM#145
Originally posted by Axxar

It's a really great MMO. Like any game it has some flaws, but in this case they are few and minor. Not something that detracts from all the really awesome stuff.

Just because I feel like 'trolling' I guess or being critical, mind defining what that 'awesome stuff' is? Outside the bigger story focus, I just didn't see anything that makes me turn my head and go "oh, original", curious as to what your defining as awesome.

  Uronksur

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12/22/11 6:37:23 PM#146
Originally posted by Purutzil
Originally posted by Axxar

It's a really great MMO. Like any game it has some flaws, but in this case they are few and minor. Not something that detracts from all the really awesome stuff.

Just because I feel like 'trolling' I guess or being critical, mind defining what that 'awesome stuff' is? Outside the bigger story focus, I just didn't see anything that makes me turn my head and go "oh, original", curious as to what your defining as awesome.

An actual storyline.

  teakbois

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12/22/11 6:40:32 PM#147

Its a full MMO with storyline added on to it.   Better than Rift, batter than cataclysm, not as good as Vanilla WoW.  

No macros and limited UI customization are odd but thats minor stuff that will be changed anyway (at least the UI, which isnt as bad as people want you to think)

  laserit

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12/22/11 6:41:50 PM#148
Originally posted by teakbois

Its a full MMO with storyline added on to it.   Better than Rift, batter than cataclysm, not as good as Vanilla WoW.  

No macros and limited UI customization are odd but thats minor stuff that will be changed anyway (at least the UI, which isnt as bad as people want you to think)

I do hope they keep macro's out of it.

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  Suraknar

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12/22/11 6:42:41 PM#149

Some of us actually gave our opinions of it refel;ected in many replies here a long time ago. But hey, try itfor yourself (by paying for it), and if you do not like it (sorry no refunds).

Way to go.

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  Ashlinde

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12/22/11 6:42:54 PM#150
Originally posted by Purutzil
Originally posted by Axxar

It's a really great MMO. Like any game it has some flaws, but in this case they are few and minor. Not something that detracts from all the really awesome stuff.

Just because I feel like 'trolling' I guess or being critical, mind defining what that 'awesome stuff' is? Outside the bigger story focus, I just didn't see anything that makes me turn my head and go "oh, original", curious as to what your defining as awesome.

so to you... the only thing that can be described as awesome is something that is original. those are YOUR words. awesome = original....

voice over, companion system, story focus, actual choices that shape your character, mod system for gear.... all are integral parts of the game, and all are fairly original for MMOs.

your correlation between awesome and original is idiotic however, but that is beside the fact.

  Classicstar

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12/22/11 6:43:43 PM#151

Yes its awefull i have never played it but all the topics and videos ive seenso far i can make my own review that say SWTOR is 6/10:P

But i never played the game so don't take it serieus PLS:)

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  Purutzil

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The Critical Hit Pretzel!

12/22/11 6:46:52 PM#152
Originally posted by Uronksur
Originally posted by Purutzil
Originally posted by Axxar

It's a really great MMO. Like any game it has some flaws, but in this case they are few and minor. Not something that detracts from all the really awesome stuff.

Just because I feel like 'trolling' I guess or being critical, mind defining what that 'awesome stuff' is? Outside the bigger story focus, I just didn't see anything that makes me turn my head and go "oh, original", curious as to what your defining as awesome.

An actual storyline.

Like all other games? Storylines exist, they just tend to be less focused and delivered. Sure, I'll give you that it does a better job at focusing story then most MMos, but its no where near what a Single player game delivers. What harms it as well is having it so 'story' driven has a notable side effect of making things far more linear and making the 'themepark' term stick out even further in the game then what must games do. 

Story is just one thing though, its not a lot of 'stuff' its just one part which, lets face it, once you reach the end you won't have that to tide you over.

  Karahandras

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12/22/11 6:47:39 PM#153
Originally posted by AdamTM
Originally posted by Fearmeirl

I knew it wouldnt be a great game since its based off Star Wars and such but is the gameplay and PvP really as bad as people make it out to be?

"Bad" is relative.

So relative to what?

Id say its bad, relative to it coming from a AAA publisher, a AAA studio, and around 100 million backing the game in dev cost.

 

But your milage may vary.

Bad is also subjective and opinion will differ from one person to another.  You will have to try for yourself if you really want to know.

  tawess

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12/22/11 6:49:34 PM#154
Originally posted by Fearmeirl

I knew it wouldnt be a great game since its based off Star Wars and such but is the gameplay and PvP really as bad as people make it out to be?

No... it is a pretty standard Bioware RPG with a pretty solid multiplayer aspect... Beyond that it is a matter of taste.

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  Gibbonici

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12/22/11 7:40:46 PM#155

Like all MMOs it's no without it's issues, but in my opinion it's pretty good and it's got a ton of potential for post-launch development.

  jdlamson75

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12/22/11 7:43:22 PM#156
Originally posted by Fearmeirl

I knew it wouldnt be a great game since its based off Star Wars and such but is the gameplay and PvP really as bad as people make it out to be?

I'm having fun.  So are a millionish other people who don't post on forums.  They've all told me so.  Eff the others.

  eddieg50

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12/22/11 10:01:11 PM#157
Originally posted by Otakun
Originally posted by eddieg50
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by eddieg50
Originally posted by sanosukex
Originally posted by Fearmeirl

I knew it wouldnt be a great game since its based off Star Wars and such but is the gameplay and PvP really as bad as people make it out to be?

if you are interested in game for PVP and are the type thats tired of rift and wows pvp you probably won't enjoy this games pvp very long.. if yo liked KOTOR and bioware's other games like dragon age and mass effect you will enjoy the game

   Agreed, skyrim, me, me 2, ddragon age, etc , if you like those games you will prob like this

You put Skyrim in this list?  Skyrim is nothing like ME, ME2, Dragon Age...nothing at all like them.  LOL!

     Skyrim is not a shooting game like Me or me 2 but it certainly is a role playing game like those , they have quests , instead of useing guns they use swords or powers like the characters in me or me 2 use. if you do not think that skyrim is a rpg like me or me2 or dragon age than you need to go back and replay, sorry dude your wrong, but I have read some other posts by you and you are usually wrong

Just cause Skyrim is an RPG doesn't mean it plays the same as other RPGs. Final Fantasy is an RPG but it doesn't play like Skyrim.

   Well lets dig a bit deeper,  with Skyrim you take quests, do quests and bring them back to the npc for a reward, hmmm you do that in the games i mentioned including SWTOR which is what i am really talking about.  2. with Skyrim you can join a guild, in swtor you can join a guild , one is with real people the other with ai but still guilds. 3 Skyrim has fighting with swords and powers, swtor and the other games mentioned the same. 4. Skyrim you fight alot in dungeons as do the other games especially swtor.  5. the games metioned have a above average story as does Skyrim. 6. dang skyrim is more like these other games than even I thought at first. 7 skyrim has crafting as does swtor and dao,  8 Skyrim has story voice overs as does these other games. 8. Skyrim does have a more open world but its quest follow linear paths for the most part. Skyrim does fit in with these games oh yea

  eddieg50

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12/22/11 10:03:57 PM#158
Originally posted by alakram
Originally posted by Fearmeirl

I knew it wouldnt be a great game since its based off Star Wars and such but is the gameplay and PvP really as bad as people make it out to be?

The people likeing the game is playing it, the people dislikeing it is posting on the forums. Nuf said.

  thank you for bringing me to my senses, you cant beat a troll they have heads of rocks, its back to Star wars!

  RizelStar

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12/22/11 10:05:20 PM#159
Originally posted by eddieg50
Originally posted by Otakun
Originally posted by eddieg50
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by eddieg50
Originally posted by sanosukex
Originally posted by Fearmeirl

I knew it wouldnt be a great game since its based off Star Wars and such but is the gameplay and PvP really as bad as people make it out to be?

if you are interested in game for PVP and are the type thats tired of rift and wows pvp you probably won't enjoy this games pvp very long.. if yo liked KOTOR and bioware's other games like dragon age and mass effect you will enjoy the game

   Agreed, skyrim, me, me 2, ddragon age, etc , if you like those games you will prob like this

You put Skyrim in this list?  Skyrim is nothing like ME, ME2, Dragon Age...nothing at all like them.  LOL!

     Skyrim is not a shooting game like Me or me 2 but it certainly is a role playing game like those , they have quests , instead of useing guns they use swords or powers like the characters in me or me 2 use. if you do not think that skyrim is a rpg like me or me2 or dragon age than you need to go back and replay, sorry dude your wrong, but I have read some other posts by you and you are usually wrong

Just cause Skyrim is an RPG doesn't mean it plays the same as other RPGs. Final Fantasy is an RPG but it doesn't play like Skyrim.

   Well lets dig a bit deeper,  with Skyrim you take quests, do quests and bring them back to the npc for a reward, hmmm you do that in the games i mentioned including SWTOR which is what i am really talking about.  2. with Skyrim you can join a guild, in swtor you can join a guild , one is with real people the other with ai but still guilds. 3 Skyrim has fighting with swords and powers, swtor and the other games mentioned the same. 4. Skyrim you fight alot in dungeons as do the other games especially swtor.  5. the games metioned have a above average story as does Skyrim. 6. dang skyrim is more like these other games than even I thought at first. 7 skyrim has crafting as does swtor and dao,  8 Skyrim has story voice overs as does these other games. 8. Skyrim does have a more open world but its quest follow linear paths for the most part. Skyrim does fit in with these games oh yea

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12/22/11 10:13:25 PM#160
Originally posted by Fearmeirl

I knew it wouldnt be a great game since its based off Star Wars and such but is the gameplay and PvP really as bad as people make it out to be?

Most of the haters are either:

a) Disgruntled sandboxers who dont have a AAA sandbox to play so they come here and trash themepark MMOs instead.

b) Ex-SWG players who are annoyed their game was ruined / shut down.

c) People who dont like Star Wars / Sci Fi and just want to stop people from leaving the current games.

 

I havent seen a single intelligent arguement against SWTOR except from people who just hate themeparks. And everybody knew that this game wasnt going to be a sandbox from day one, they just need to move on.

Combat in SWTOR is easily more fun and balanced than what youll find in WoW, Rift, Everquest 2 or LOTRO. Also the later worlds (Taris onwards) are massive, and the difficulty ramps up after level 30.

 

TLDR - If you like themepark and dont have some deep rooted hatred for Star Wars then youll like the game. If you dont like themepark or sci fi, you wont like the game.

 

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